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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 21, 2018 13:00:51 GMT -5
As camp is about to open I find myself wondering and going over in my mind how I think this O line is going to perform. I as well as many of you have been one of the loudest mouths screaming about our O line these last few years.
As I think about this I guess many of us feel the same way we are very hopeful and going in positive. Especially about the left side with Solder and Hernandez we think we have something here. The Center position might be up for grabs. And that ever problem right side, now Omenah I have no idea as you can tell by my spelling. And as much as I feel Flowers will be much improved on the right side he has to show us. The depth ? phfft, who knows what to think.
Any way this is still my ache in the pit of my stomach. Though I do think that it will be improved I'm just hoping "much improved". On offense anyway I'll need another thread to talk about our pass defense and specifically our pass rush and I'll need to rest up to discuss the pass rush God help us.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 21, 2018 15:23:58 GMT -5
I have to believe the OL will be better... especially with Saquon and the talented receivers... which should help keep opposing team's Defense honest. All Eli has to be is consistent and utilize the offensive weapons at his disposal and the Giants should be competitive putting up more W's. If the Giants can compete through 4 quarters of football... I will be enjoying this season a whole bunch more than last.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 21, 2018 15:34:04 GMT -5
So many interesting things to watch in camp.
The OL, Saquon, the return of OBJ, Webb and Lauletta, the new defense ... can't wait!
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 21, 2018 15:48:03 GMT -5
The way I see it is whenever one of our linemen went down it truly made no difference. In fact, it could be argued that we actually got better.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Jul 21, 2018 15:51:36 GMT -5
at least half of the o-line is new to the Giants. both are heralded as "beasts". one experienced and the other one drafted high. the other members to the right of the new guys, i dont have a clue. with new coaches molding these guys it gives me hope as compared to last year. i have a feeling these guys will gel enough to carry the offense. i certainly hope so.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 21, 2018 15:55:45 GMT -5
The way I see it is whenever one of our linemen went down it truly made no difference. In fact, it could be argued that we actually got better. I'm among those that thought the 'replacement' O linemen played better.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 21, 2018 15:57:00 GMT -5
The way I see it is whenever one of our linemen went down it truly made no difference. In fact, it could be argued that we actually got better. This is true. Maybe it will result in us finding a good one. Halapio?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 21, 2018 16:00:57 GMT -5
I'm cautiously optimistic the line should at the very least be average in all areas and consistant.
To me the Jones/Haliapo battle is interesting in a good way because I thought Jones was actually an improvement over Richburg,and now that he is really being pushed hard it's only going to make C not only better but deeper.
Wondering why Wheeler didnt get any reps with the 1st string when Flowers came back in the spring,maybe they gave all the reps to Flowers to get him up to speed on the right side,I hope it's not because Wheeler didnt bulk up and get stronger,because to me that was the one weakness he had that was keeping him from possibly being decent
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 21, 2018 16:23:49 GMT -5
For me all eyes on Flowers: This is his year to make or break. He shits the bed he's done.
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Post by TEM on Jul 21, 2018 17:21:14 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong.
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Post by Merc on Jul 21, 2018 19:34:49 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong. Our O & D will be difficult to figure out this season for opposing coaches. With multiple looks on D with an aggressive system and an O that has so many options, we will not be predictable.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 21, 2018 20:07:16 GMT -5
The way I see it is whenever one of our linemen went down it truly made no difference. In fact, it could be argued that we actually got better. This is true. Maybe it will result in us finding a good one. Halapio?
He looked pretty good at RG and he seems to be the lead guy at center right now.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 21, 2018 20:08:39 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong.
Well according to your signature, the first look at the 2018 Giants is less than 3 weeks away!
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 21, 2018 20:16:11 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong. I'm cautiously optimistic...
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 21, 2018 20:44:41 GMT -5
The O-line was already improving without most of the starters out last season. I'm quite confident that they will be a big improvement. Definitely better and more balanced than any starting line since 2010. Might be a little shakey to start, but I think they'll be reliable and consistent by the end of the season as long as they aren't decimated by injuries.
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 21, 2018 21:17:16 GMT -5
As camp is about to open I find myself wondering and going over in my mind how I think this O line is going to perform. I as well as many of you have been one of the loudest mouths screaming about our O line these last few years.
As I think about this I guess many of us feel the same way we are very hopeful and going in positive. Especially about the left side with Solder and Hernandez we think we have something here. The Center position might be up for grabs. And that ever problem right side, now Omenah I have no idea as you can tell by my spelling. And as much as I feel Flowers will be much improved on the right side he has to show us. The depth ? phfft, who knows what to think.
Any way this is still my ache in the pit of my stomach. Though I do think that it will be improved I'm just hoping "much improved". On offense anyway I'll need another thread to talk about our pass defense and specifically our pass rush and I'll need to rest up to discuss the pass rush God help us. well Jones & Jerry should be decent depth
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 1:13:12 GMT -5
As camp is about to open I find myself wondering and going over in my mind how I think this O line is going to perform. I as well as many of you have been one of the loudest mouths screaming about our O line these last few years.
As I think about this I guess many of us feel the same way we are very hopeful and going in positive. Especially about the left side with Solder and Hernandez we think we have something here. The Center position might be up for grabs. And that ever problem right side, now Omenah I have no idea as you can tell by my spelling. And as much as I feel Flowers will be much improved on the right side he has to show us. The depth ? phfft, who knows what to think.
Any way this is still my ache in the pit of my stomach. Though I do think that it will be improved I'm just hoping "much improved". On offense anyway I'll need another thread to talk about our pass defense and specifically our pass rush and I'll need to rest up to discuss the pass rush God help us. How much our O-line has improved will be judged by how Eli does. If Eli has a good season, the O-line will be "much improved". If he has a mediocre season, then it will just be "improved". If Eli has another piss-poor year, then...well, the O-line will be a bunch of bums.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 6:32:22 GMT -5
For me all eyes on Flowers: This is his year to make or break. He shits the bed he's done. i hope the leash is short with Flowers. Cannot have every OL doing their job only to have him screw up time after time costing the offense multiple drives.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 22, 2018 6:52:58 GMT -5
For me all eyes on Flowers: This is his year to make or break. He shits the bed he's done. if he can somehow elevate his game to a decent level it will have a huge impact on the offense. I'm not optimistic about it, but at least they can mask his deficiencies easier on the right side.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 22, 2018 7:49:15 GMT -5
For me all eyes on Flowers: This is his year to make or break. He shits the bed he's done. i hope the leash is short with Flowers. Cannot have every OL doing their job only to have him screw up time after time costing the offense multiple drives. Remember Flowers did play decent to pretty good the 2nd half of last year. A reason for some optimism plus of course his move to the right side. Plus the TE on the right side at least 60-70% of the time.
Anyway were all hoping these things all kick in cause I don't think we have much to replace him with.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 7:54:16 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong. Our O & D will be difficult to figure out this season for opposing coaches. With multiple looks on D with an aggressive system and an O that has so many options, we will not be predictable. I know we are not going to be predictable. I am more worried about the new O and D line's chemistry and is there any? The entire O-line is different. The entire D-line is different. That is where you win. I am optimistic but not confident. I need to see them play. I am a bit more positive about the O-line. Solder has stepped up by actions to show the leadership in the group. The D-line, who is the guy there? Snacks should be but he is flapping his gums about everything except the continuity of the line. I have been hard on him this off season . I think I my justification is sound. He is the guy that needs to be the voice on that line. I am not seeing it.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 7:55:24 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong.
Well according to your signature, the first look at the 2018 Giants is less than 3 weeks away!
It can't get here quick enough.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 7:56:26 GMT -5
I am expecting an improvement on the O-line,but not sure how much of one. I am also concerned about the D-lines ability to switch to a new system . It may get ugly . I hope I am wrong. I'm cautiously optimistic... I feel the same.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 8:59:00 GMT -5
For me all eyes on Flowers: This is his year to make or break. He shits the bed he's done. i hope the leash is short with Flowers. Cannot have every OL doing their job only to have him screw up time after time costing the offense multiple drives. Who do they have after him? Wheeler to this point has not shown he is any better. I think if Flowers can not get it together The Right side will be a problem. I do not see any savior there. The fact is if Solder gets hurt. Flowers goes back to LT and Wheeler becomes RT. That is Flowers Hart part 2.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 22, 2018 9:05:37 GMT -5
i hope the leash is short with Flowers. Cannot have every OL doing their job only to have him screw up time after time costing the offense multiple drives. Who do the have after him? Wheeler to this point has not shown he is any better. I think if Flowers can not get it together The Right side will be a problem. I do not see any savior there. The fact is if Solder gets hurt. Flowers goes back to LT and Wheeler becomes RT. That is Flowers Hart part 2. +1 Exactly. If we have any injuries at all on the OL, we are going to have big problems....
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Post by Jomo on Jul 22, 2018 9:34:15 GMT -5
I don't seek miracles but I do look for clear improvement. I don't see any way that we are not clearly better this year on the OL not just because of the upgrades there but because of a new offensive philosophy and some shiny new weapons. Being less predictable there and having a more diverse offense will help the OL by keeping defenses guessing.
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Post by Merc on Jul 22, 2018 11:25:24 GMT -5
Our O & D will be difficult to figure out this season for opposing coaches. With multiple looks on D with an aggressive system and an O that has so many options, we will not be predictable. I know we are not going to be predictable. I am more worried about the new O and D line's chemistry and is there any? The entire O-line is different. The entire D-line is different. That is where you win. I am optimistic but not confident. I need to see them play. I am a bit more positive about the O-line. Solder has stepped up by actions to show the leadership in the group. The D-line, who is the guy there? Snacks should be but he is flapping his gums about everything except the continuity of the line. I have been hard on him this off season . I think I my justification is sound. He is the guy that needs to be the voice on that line. I am not seeing it. Snacks is just showing that he is just as mean on D as Hernandez is on O. He will be fine. The D needs an aggressive leader.
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Post by brownelvis54 on Jul 22, 2018 11:31:27 GMT -5
So many interesting things to watch in camp. The OL, Saquon, the return of OBJ, Webb and Lauletta, the new defense ... can't wait! Exactly.............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 11:37:28 GMT -5
i hope the leash is short with Flowers. Cannot have every OL doing their job only to have him screw up time after time costing the offense multiple drives. Who do they have after him? Wheeler to this point has not shown he is any better. I think if Flowers can not get it together The Right side will be a problem. I do not see any savior there. The fact is if Solder gets hurt. Flowers goes back to LT and Wheeler becomes RT. That is Flowers Hart part 2. since Flowers has been a bottom 3 tackle the last couple of years then it should be no problem replacing him if he continues to stink. If a GM is going to ask your question- who do they have after him? Then the dude needs to be fired ASAP. This is something Reese would say the past two years and it has gotten the offense nowhere. If Flowers continues to suck then he needs to sit and the GM/HC should do their job and find a guy who can instantly improve that position. You’re asking me like it’s my job.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 11:49:37 GMT -5
Who do they have after him? Wheeler to this point has not shown he is any better. I think if Flowers can not get it together The Right side will be a problem. I do not see any savior there. The fact is if Solder gets hurt. Flowers goes back to LT and Wheeler becomes RT. That is Flowers Hart part 2. since Flowers has been a bottom 3 tackle the last couple of years then it should be no problem replacing him if he continues to stink. If a GM is going to ask your question- who do they have after him? Then the dude needs to be fired ASAP. This is something Reese would say the past two years and it has gotten the offense nowhere. If Flowers continues to suck then he needs to sit and the GM/HC should do their job and find a guy who can instantly improve that position. You’re asking me like it’s my job. The Giants do not have the cash to go get the next guy. At this point of the off-season raises the question why would the next guy still be available? My friend it is what it is at this point. The one good thing is . There has encouraging talk from the staff coming out of OTAs on Flowers.
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