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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 22, 2018 20:41:49 GMT -5
When has a team drafted a punter at 2?
You sound like you could use a break from football and I say that from a fan's perspective only.
Russell Erxleben was taken with pick 11 in 79 by the Saints
Well, that must have been because they had it in for Archie.
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Post by Speedman on Jul 22, 2018 20:42:49 GMT -5
It doesn’t matter what position they play. The rookie contracts are slotted. So, if a punter was drafted with the #2...you'd argue that that was a good investment of $30 million. The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 22, 2018 20:43:23 GMT -5
Yes. There's not a whole lot to negotiate with a rookie contract. I believe the 5th year option maybe.
Perhaps someone who knows can confirm this.
I believe that the first four years of a first round picks contract is guaranteed . The fifth year is at the teams option . And the 5th year option is also pre determined by some formula... Or a team can extend I *think* after the 3rd year if they want to lock a guy down long term(I also think this is the only time a team can lock a guy in 6 or 7 years,1st rounders after year 3,dont quote me on that part as well)
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 22, 2018 20:44:59 GMT -5
When has a team drafted a punter at 2?
You sound like you could use a break from football and I say that from a fan's perspective only.
Russell Erxleben was taken with pick 11 in 79 by the Saints That's because those were those classic 'Aints teams,as that was a very Saints thing to do.
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Post by TEM on Jul 22, 2018 20:47:41 GMT -5
Russell Erxleben was taken with pick 11 in 79 by the Saints That's because those were those classic 'Aints teams,as that was a very Saints thing to do. I agree . I was shocked when I actually looked to see if a punter had ever been taken in the first let alone in the top 15 picks.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 22, 2018 20:55:23 GMT -5
That's because those were those classic 'Aints teams,as that was a very Saints thing to do. I agree . I was shocked when I actually looked to see if a punter had ever been taken in the first let alone in the top 15 picks. Raiders did it with Ray Guy,that one worked out (he was such a weapon,how many 60-70 yarders did he blast out of horrible field position and pin the other team back. I'm sure the Saints saw the same thing,the Saints being the Saints it blew up in their faces of course
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Post by GameTime on Jul 22, 2018 20:59:18 GMT -5
damn these football players making huge money.....
like this is something new...ha ha...
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Post by Martin on Jul 22, 2018 21:16:32 GMT -5
What in the world?? That is a big ass contract for a guy who never stepped a foot on a NFL field. ooouch!!!! Great agent worth every penny!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 22:25:46 GMT -5
When has a team drafted a punter at 2?
You sound like you could use a break from football and I say that from a fan's perspective only.
Russell Erxleben was taken with pick 11 in 79 by the Saints
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 22, 2018 22:32:14 GMT -5
When has a team drafted a punter at 2?
You sound like you could use a break from football and I say that from a fan's perspective only.
Russell Erxleben was taken with pick 11 in 79 by the Saints And that was long after the rookie wage scale was built into the CBA; what were they thinking?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 22:36:55 GMT -5
So, if a punter was drafted with the #2...you'd argue that that was a good investment of $30 million. The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours. It's our problem when the organization ties up cap space by overpaying for a less-valuable position. So, it's not that paying a punter $30 million would be a waste of John Mara's money (I couldn't care less)...it's that a rather large percentage of our cap space would be eaten up by a freakin' punter. It doesn't strike you as a bit odd that Saquon Barkley hasn't even snapped on NFL pads yet and he's already the 4th highest-paid running back in the league?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 22:45:20 GMT -5
That's because those were those classic 'Aints teams,as that was a very Saints thing to do. I agree . I was shocked when I actually looked to see if a punter had ever been taken in the first let alone in the top 15 picks. If there was anything the Saints teams of that era needed, it was a good punter. Come to think of it...after last year's offensive performance, maybe we should've thought about drafting a good punter
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 22, 2018 22:53:09 GMT -5
The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours. It doesn't strike you as a bit odd that Saquon Barkley hasn't even snapped on NFL pads yet and he's already the 4th highest-paid running back in the league? No. No, it does not. His contract is pretty much what I thought it would be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 23:10:12 GMT -5
It doesn't strike you as a bit odd that Saquon Barkley hasn't even snapped on NFL pads yet and he's already the 4th highest-paid running back in the league? No. No, it does not. His contract is pretty much what I thought it would be. Last year's #2, Mitchell Trubisky, got pretty much what I thought he would, too. He's the 22nd highest-paid quarterback in the league. The only reason he's that high is because every other starting QB below him is also on a rookie contract.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 23, 2018 4:36:39 GMT -5
So, if a punter was drafted with the #2...you'd argue that that was a good investment of $30 million. The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours. Um, because there is a salary cap and the distribution of money among players could affect your team’s ability to compete.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 23, 2018 4:38:41 GMT -5
The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours. It's our problem when the organization ties up cap space by overpaying for a less-valuable position. So, it's not that paying a punter $30 million would be a waste of John Mara's money (I couldn't care less)...it's that a rather large percentage of our cap space would be eaten up by a freakin' punter. It doesn't strike you as a bit odd that Saquon Barkley hasn't even snapped on NFL pads yet and he's already the 4th highest-paid running back in the league? Well, that die was cast when we selected him at #2. Once we made the pick, his contract was a foregone conclusion
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Post by fifthavephil on Jul 23, 2018 5:35:28 GMT -5
Where one has been drafted dictates the amount of money. The only negotiation is the guarantee money ie Bonus and annual contract. The Giants (NFL) have made money on Barkley jerseys, without playing a game. source="/post/12732/thread" timestamp="1532300934"]
Yes. There's not a whole lot to negotiate with a rookie contract. I believe the 5th year option maybe.
Perhaps someone who knows can confirm this.
I thought that was the case which is why I’m befuddled as to why we’d discuss the terms as if they were negotiated or even relevant to the rest the league. [/quote]
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 23, 2018 5:40:56 GMT -5
Good for him . You got the cash. Now earn it. Put the trophies in the case. And put a pair of pants on while you're at it, for God's sake!
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 23, 2018 5:54:59 GMT -5
Where one has been drafted dictates the amount of money. The only negotiation is the guarantee money ie Bonus and annual contract. The Giants (NFL) have made money on Barkley jerseys, without playing a game. source="/post/12732/thread" timestamp="1532300934"]
Yes. There's not a whole lot to negotiate with a rookie contract. I believe the 5th year option maybe.
Perhaps someone who knows can confirm this.
I thought that was the case which is why I’m befuddled as to why we’d discuss the terms as if they were negotiated or even relevant to the rest the league. Well, for those who were against selecting a RB at #2, the projected contract was a big factor.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 23, 2018 6:10:11 GMT -5
OMG.....a #2 pick getting big money......wow.....breaking news.
Lost of pressure on the kid and the franchise with this move. The pressure would have been even greater with a QB pick at at that spot. Lets see what happens first. Then if necessary you can whine to hearts content and lament them not drafting a QB at #2.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jul 23, 2018 7:06:30 GMT -5
Where one has been drafted dictates the amount of money. The only negotiation is the guarantee money ie Bonus and annual contract. The Giants (NFL) have made money on Barkley jerseys, without playing a game. source="/post/12732/thread" timestamp="1532300934"]I thought that was the case which is why I’m befuddled as to why we’d discuss the terms as if they were negotiated or even relevant to the rest the league. Well, for those who were against selecting a RB at #2, the projected contract was a big factor. For most of us that were not in favor of the pick, the economics were 90% of the problem (getting a ton of draft capital back on a trade made up most of the rest). On field he projects to be a really really good player. I was over my opinion the night of the draft.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 23, 2018 7:10:43 GMT -5
The football organization knows what they are going to pay for a #2 pick regardless of position. I can’t understand why people care what the football organization pays its players. It’s their problem not ours. It's our problem when the organization ties up cap space by overpaying for a less-valuable position. So, it's not that paying a punter $30 million would be a waste of John Mara's money (I couldn't care less)...it's that a rather large percentage of our cap space would be eaten up by a freakin' punter. It doesn't strike you as a bit odd that Saquon Barkley hasn't even snapped on NFL pads yet and he's already the 4th highest-paid running back in the league? What do you propose they do? They reduced rookie contracts as part of the last CBA.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 23, 2018 7:28:46 GMT -5
For most of us that were not in favor of the pick, the economics were 90% of the problem (getting a ton of draft capital back on a trade made up most of the rest). On field he projects to be a really really good player. I was over my opinion the night of the draft. Sorry I don't buy it. We (the Giants) spent money on a possible pick that can help us now or spend it on a QB that might or might not help you down the road.To say "money " was going to be the problem is in my opinion just BS.You would have to spend it one way or the other. This is an aspect to the NFL that I'm just learning. Do all positions picked early get big contracts, or do ones where development time is usually needed get treated differently?
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2018 7:32:11 GMT -5
I agree . I was shocked when I actually looked to see if a punter had ever been taken in the first let alone in the top 15 picks. If there was anything the Saints teams of that era needed, it was a good punter. Come to think of it...after last year's offensive performance, maybe we should've thought about drafting a good punter LOL. but I will stick with my narrative. The best punter is the one that is seldom used.
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2018 7:39:20 GMT -5
Good for him . You got the cash. Now earn it. Put the trophies in the case. And put a pair of pants on while you're at it, for God's sake! ?
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2018 7:45:08 GMT -5
Sorry I don't buy it. We (the Giants) spent money on a possible pick that can help us now or spend it on a QB that might or might not help you down the road.To say "money " was going to be the problem is in my opinion just BS.You would have to spend it one way or the other. This is an aspect to the NFL that I'm just learning. Do all positions picked early get big contracts, or do ones where development time is usually needed get treated differently? Each pick in the draft is rated to a pay scale. #1 being the highest. One of the reasons I wanted to trade down. We could have received 2 players for the price of 1 and additional picks. That is water under the bridge . That deal is done. The best we can do is all get behind him and watch his success unfold. www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 23, 2018 7:52:56 GMT -5
This is an aspect to the NFL that I'm just learning. Do all positions picked early get big contracts, or do ones where development time is usually needed get treated differently? Each pick in the draft is rated to a pay scale. #1 being the highest. One of the reasons I wanted to trade down. We could have received 2 players for the price of 1 and additional picks. That is water under the bridge . That deal is done. The best we can do is all get behind him and watch his success unfold. www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/ Yeah, I get all that. But wondering about positions where the player likely won't start their first season, like QB or certain lineman. If the player drafted doesn't show they're ready, but the potential is viewed as reason to pick them early - do they usually receive the same contract as one who shows all the abilities coming in?
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Post by TEM on Jul 23, 2018 8:00:41 GMT -5
Each pick in the draft is rated to a pay scale. #1 being the highest. One of the reasons I wanted to trade down. We could have received 2 players for the price of 1 and additional picks. That is water under the bridge . That deal is done. The best we can do is all get behind him and watch his success unfold. www.spotrac.com/nfl/draft/ Yeah, I get all that. But wondering about positions where the player likely won't start their first season, like QB or certain lineman. If the player drafted doesn't show they're ready, but the potential is viewed as reason to pick them early - do they usually receive the same contract as one who shows all the abilities coming in? Readiness to play does not change the scale. It was set by the CBA. From what I understood. Rookies were getting ridiculously large contracts. The Vet players felt that cap space would be best used to pay them . It is more of a pay celling than , Wow that is a lot of money. I think the rookie scale is based on % of Salrey cap.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 23, 2018 8:20:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I get all that. But wondering about positions where the player likely won't start their first season, like QB or certain lineman. If the player drafted doesn't show they're ready, but the potential is viewed as reason to pick them early - do they usually receive the same contract as one who shows all the abilities coming in? Readiness to play does not change the scale. It was set by the CBA. From what I understood. Rookies were getting ridiculously large contracts. The Vet players felt that cap space would be best used to pay them . It is more of a pay celling then , Wow that is a lot of money. I think the rookie scale is based on % of Salrey cap. O.K., thanks for the explanation, as always. Obviously, Barkley will start right away, get plenty of touches, very few uncertainties about how he can contribute in multiple ways, and will be a focus for opposing defenses game planning. This vs. what our team would be paying for a different drafted player who would wait and hopefully develop should make the decision easier to swallow, for those who wanted a QB instead.
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Post by sundown on Jul 23, 2018 8:21:59 GMT -5
Hot damn! I would love to hear Bell’s comments on this one!
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