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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2018 8:18:38 GMT -5
My original comment or reply to you had nothing to do with "perspective" I was simply responding to the OP about Odell's work ethic and Julio Jones not being called a Diva or Prima Donna. I really don't care about the details of Julio's contract. I just want Odell to remain a Giant for several more years. Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... nah....Julio Jones' situation is a totally common one. Players sit out all the time for contract issues. What Jones is doing will not impact OB. If OB sits outs at some point it will just be another top player trying to protect his assets. Nothing new or unusual about it.
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Post by DMighty on Jul 25, 2018 8:28:51 GMT -5
We don't need odb!! I want him but I don't think we need him. Rebuilt offensive line, adaquete head coach and others to build around like barkley and engram. That 18+ million per could be used to sure up things for Webb next season.
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Post by DMighty on Jul 25, 2018 8:32:38 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... I could be wrong, but I still believe they traded JPP and his massive contract to free up money to get Odell signed. I also believe they will do the same with Vernon next season if he doesn't have a breakout year. JPP was due to make 17 million next season if he wasn't traded. If they were willing to pay a player who blew off 3 of his fingers doing something stupid, I can't imagine why they wouldn't sign the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the game, who's not this bad guy some make him out to be. He's a game changer and his absence after his injury last season was obvious proof. Different regime though.. Gettlemen doesn't play. Trust me, he will part ways with Beckham if he deems it best. Also, other than the fireworks incident, I believe jpp was a model citizen. On and off the field, there's always news about beckham. But he's a giant, so of course we become tolerant of his antics. I want him but we don't need him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 8:52:20 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I still believe they traded JPP and his massive contract to free up money to get Odell signed. I also believe they will do the same with Vernon next season if he doesn't have a breakout year. JPP was due to make 17 million next season if he wasn't traded. If they were willing to pay a player who blew off 3 of his fingers doing something stupid, I can't imagine why they wouldn't sign the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the game, who's not this bad guy some make him out to be. He's a game changer and his absence after his injury last season was obvious proof. Different regime though.. Gettlemen doesn't play. Trust me, he will part ways with Beckham if he deems it best. Also, other than the fireworks incident, I believe jpp was a model citizen. On and off the field, there's always news about beckham. But he's a giant, so of course we become tolerant of his antics. I want him but we don't need him. Mara gave Reese the okay to pay JPP that outrages contract. Regime has nothing to do with it.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 25, 2018 14:52:24 GMT -5
Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. Ridiculous. Jones pocketed $47M guaranteed on his deal. Maybe he (or his agent) should have read it before he signed it. The Falcons would be stupid to renegotiate any part of that deal now. Just to be clear, I totally agree with you. I was just letting people know Jones's viewpoint. If OBJ tries to pull this crap after he received a monster contract, my blood would boil...
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 15:00:52 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. “Putting in the work has never been an issue with him” unless it’s a week before a playoff game and he decides a night of partying and taking a red eye flight back for meetings the next morning is more important.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 16:18:36 GMT -5
He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. “Putting in the work has never been an issue with him” unless it’s a week before a playoff game and he decides a night of partying and taking a red eye flight back for meetings the next morning is more important. Not buying it and sounds real desperate to justify hating on the guy. A lot of players didn't play well in that game who didn't go on that boat. What excuse do you make for them? Also, Beckham is not the first receiver to ever have a bad playoff game. The Giants overall have had some bad playoff before Beckham was ever a Giants, but I guess that's his fault too.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 17:23:13 GMT -5
“Putting in the work has never been an issue with him” unless it’s a week before a playoff game and he decides a night of partying and taking a red eye flight back for meetings the next morning is more important. Not buying it and sounds real desperate to justify hating on the guy. A lot of players didn't play well in that game who didn't go on that boat. What excuse do you make for them? Also, Beckham is not the first receiver to ever have a bad playoff game. The Giants overall have had some bad playoff before Beckham was ever a Giants, but I guess that's his fault too. First of all, you said “putting in the work has never been an issue with him”. Do you consider going to Miami to party on a boat, hanging with Justin Bieber and taking a red eye flight back to make meetings the next morning the weekend before a playoff game is “putting in work”? I don’t. ”Desperate to justify hating on the guy”? Hardly. When he pulls a stunt like that then comes out and has a horrible game, he leaves himself open for a lot of criticism and rightfully so. Just like Romo going to Cabo before our game against him in the playoffs and then he happens to have one of his worst games ever against us, he deserved to be questioned about whether the trip had any bearing on his play. I know myself and plenty of other Giants fans were certainly bringing that trip up. Even Odell said in hindsight it was a bad idea but homers like you continue to coddle him and make excuses for every stupid thing he does, just like Cowgirls fans do with the Zeke. Take your shades off bro. Unlike you, I don’t cut any player slack for being an idiot, even if he’s a Giant. By no means do I hate Odell as a person or a player but I think he needs to grow up fast and he’s still a liability on and off the field. If this is how he acts when he’s trying to get a big contract, what will he be like after he gets it? I don’t even want to hear you tell me what you think I think. I have the same concerns as the FO and John Mara so unless you want to tell me how much they hate Odell then don’t make that same assumption about me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:33:16 GMT -5
Not buying it and sounds real desperate to justify hating on the guy. A lot of players didn't play well in that game who didn't go on that boat. What excuse do you make for them? Also, Beckham is not the first receiver to ever have a bad playoff game. The Giants overall have had some bad playoff before Beckham was ever a Giants, but I guess that's his fault too. First of all, you said “putting in the work has never been an issue with him”. Do you consider going to Miami to party on a boat, hanging with Justin Bieber and taking a red eye flight back to make meetings the next morning the weekend before a playoff game is “putting in work”? I don’t. ”Desperate to justify hating on the guy”? Hardly. When he pulls a stunt like that then comes out and has a horrible game, he leaves himself open for a lot of criticism and rightfully so. Just like Romo going to Cabo before our game against him in the playoffs and then he happens to have one of his worst games ever against us, he deserved to be questioned about whether the trip had any bearing on his play. I know myself and plenty of other Giants fans were certainly bringing that trip up. Even Odell said in hindsight it was a bad idea but homers like you continue to coddle him and make excuses for every stupid thing he does, just like Cowgirls fans do with the Zeke. Take your shades off bro. Unlike you, I don’t cut any player slack for being an idiot, even if he’s a Giant. By no means do I hate Odell as a person or a player but I think he needs to grow up fast and he’s still a liability on and off the field. If this is how he acts when he’s trying to get a big contract, what will he be like after he gets it? I don’t even want to hear you tell me what you think I think. I have the same concerns as the FO and John Mara so unless you want to tell me how much they hate Odell then don’t make that same assumption about me. I noticed you dodged this question. A lot of players didn't play well in that game who didn't go on that boat. What excuse do you make for them?
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 18:23:56 GMT -5
First of all, you said “putting in the work has never been an issue with him”. Do you consider going to Miami to party on a boat, hanging with Justin Bieber and taking a red eye flight back to make meetings the next morning the weekend before a playoff game is “putting in work”? I don’t. ”Desperate to justify hating on the guy”? Hardly. When he pulls a stunt like that then comes out and has a horrible game, he leaves himself open for a lot of criticism and rightfully so. Just like Romo going to Cabo before our game against him in the playoffs and then he happens to have one of his worst games ever against us, he deserved to be questioned about whether the trip had any bearing on his play. I know myself and plenty of other Giants fans were certainly bringing that trip up. Even Odell said in hindsight it was a bad idea but homers like you continue to coddle him and make excuses for every stupid thing he does, just like Cowgirls fans do with the Zeke. Take your shades off bro. Unlike you, I don’t cut any player slack for being an idiot, even if he’s a Giant. By no means do I hate Odell as a person or a player but I think he needs to grow up fast and he’s still a liability on and off the field. If this is how he acts when he’s trying to get a big contract, what will he be like after he gets it? I don’t even want to hear you tell me what you think I think. I have the same concerns as the FO and John Mara so unless you want to tell me how much they hate Odell then don’t make that same assumption about me. I noticed you dodged this question. A lot of players didn't play well in that game who didn't go on that boat. What excuse do you make for them? Who’s the best player on the team? Who’s asking to be paid the most money in the NFL? Who is the most consistent player on this team? Who is the face of the franchise and wants to be a leader? I’ll give you a hint, his first name starts with an O. I’m willing to bet the other players you’re referring to aren’t held to the same standards on the field as Odell is. In other words, they have plenty of bad games and it’s somewhat expected for several reasons. That’s like telling me Flowers or John Jerry had a bad game and it had nothing to do with the boat trip so Odell is excused from having a bad game even though he did go on the trip. Lol, are you serious?
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