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Post by aceospadz4 on Jul 24, 2018 1:27:19 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 24, 2018 7:03:41 GMT -5
If the ankle is 100%, I fully expect him to light it up this season.
Because, you know, his jersey is not the top selling Giants jersey now......whatever it takes to motivate.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 24, 2018 7:07:53 GMT -5
OB will never be quiet....at least I dont think so.
He is not a locker room cancer either.
Its all about the confidence he has in his ankle. If can play without concern then he will be fine
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 24, 2018 7:23:33 GMT -5
He has obviously gotten sound advice from Rosenhaus and seems to be doing and saying all the right things.
It’s good for him and us.
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Post by wtfjjk on Jul 24, 2018 7:36:21 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. I sure hope so. Usually he's been good off the field. It's on the field in a real game where emotions take over and he can't seem to control himself. |
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Post by nysports98 on Jul 24, 2018 7:53:39 GMT -5
He has obviously gotten sound advice from Rosenhaus and seems to be doing and saying all the right things. It’s good for him and us. I think you are 100% correct. I'll add on the addition of Barkley makes an impact too. A quiet guy who can steal OBJ's Spotlight and make him perceived as the loud mouth, greedy diva and public enemy #1 in a contract year. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 24, 2018 7:55:49 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. I sure hope so. Usually he's been good off the field. It's on the field in a real game where emotions take over and he can't seem to control himself. We hope to be competitive, and that means a lot of big games. That's where his tests will be. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 24, 2018 9:24:07 GMT -5
Beckham tested OMW (on my way). He's coming to camp has supposedly impressed people with that ankle. Should be motivated by contract, motivated to prove comeback from injury, motivated to have his name mentioned in the elite receiver grouping. out by injury1 year all the talking heads forget his first 3 years and don't even include him in their top 5 ? (NFL Network)
Odell might not be bright star this year with Barkley ? I think OBJ is coming in loaded for bear.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jul 24, 2018 9:38:57 GMT -5
Odell is going to be looking to prove he's healthy and deserves to get paid, so I expect him to put in the work. But he could put up insane numbers this season and there will still be some fans who will insist the Giants need to trade him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 9:44:39 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 10:00:19 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 10:03:02 GMT -5
He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. That's his and his agents problem. They should have taken care of all of that when he signed the original deal. If this were Beckham under the same circumstances, he would be called every nasty name in the book. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 10:16:54 GMT -5
Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. That's his and his agents problem. They should have taken care of all of that when he signed the original deal. If this were Beckham under the same circumstances, he would be called every nasty name in the book. I'm not saying that you are incorrect, I'm just giving you some insight into his perspective. He is the best receiver in the league, the best player on his team, and the ultimate team player in the locker room (excluding this contract issue of course). With all of his accolades, talent and leadership, he is basically operating a scrub contract for the next 3 years with no guaranteed money and can get injured tomorrow and be cut and that's that. Can you really tell me that you cannot understand his perspective? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 10:56:04 GMT -5
That's his and his agents problem. They should have taken care of all of that when he signed the original deal. If this were Beckham under the same circumstances, he would be called every nasty name in the book. I'm not saying that you are incorrect, I'm just giving you some insight into his perspective. He is the best receiver in the league, the best player on his team, and the ultimate team player in the locker room (excluding this contract issue of course). With all of his accolades, talent and leadership, he is basically operating a scrub contract for the next 3 years with no guaranteed money and can get injured tomorrow and be cut and that's that. Can you really tell me that you cannot understand his perspective? My original comment or reply to you had nothing to do with "perspective" I was simply responding to the OP about Odell's work ethic and Julio Jones not being called a Diva or Prima Donna. I really don't care about the details of Julio's contract. I just want Odell to remain a Giant for several more years. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 11:15:01 GMT -5
I'm not saying that you are incorrect, I'm just giving you some insight into his perspective. He is the best receiver in the league, the best player on his team, and the ultimate team player in the locker room (excluding this contract issue of course). With all of his accolades, talent and leadership, he is basically operating a scrub contract for the next 3 years with no guaranteed money and can get injured tomorrow and be cut and that's that. Can you really tell me that you cannot understand his perspective? My original comment or reply to you had nothing to do with "perspective" I was simply responding to the OP about Odell's work ethic and Julio Jones not being called a Diva or Prima Donna. I really don't care about the details of Julio's contract. I just want Odell to remain a Giant for several more years. Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 24, 2018 11:21:45 GMT -5
He has obviously gotten sound advice from Rosenhaus and seems to be doing and saying all the right things. It’s good for him and us. Agreed, we don't need distractions or agita. Having him in camp will build fan support to lock him down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -5
My original comment or reply to you had nothing to do with "perspective" I was simply responding to the OP about Odell's work ethic and Julio Jones not being called a Diva or Prima Donna. I really don't care about the details of Julio's contract. I just want Odell to remain a Giant for several more years. Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... I could be wrong, but I still believe they traded JPP and his massive contract to free up money to get Odell signed. I also believe they will do the same with Vernon next season if he doesn't have a breakout year. JPP was due to make 17 million next season if he wasn't traded. If they were willing to pay a player who blew off 3 of his fingers doing something stupid, I can't imagine why they wouldn't sign the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the game, who's not this bad guy some make him out to be. He's a game changer and his absence after his injury last season was obvious proof. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2018 12:06:28 GMT -5
My original comment or reply to you had nothing to do with "perspective" I was simply responding to the OP about Odell's work ethic and Julio Jones not being called a Diva or Prima Donna. I really don't care about the details of Julio's contract. I just want Odell to remain a Giant for several more years. Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... I don't think he will. He has almost no leverage and he seems to now know that. |
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2018 12:06:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I ultimately agree with you but this standoff may actually have a negative impact on Odell's contract negotiation with the Giants. I believe Odell is in Jones tier and if he sees that Jones is doing this, and ultimately gets what he wants, Odell might try it. I won't deny that I have said some negative things about Odell in the past but I would be ecstatic if he can stay out of the headlines and sign with the Giants long term. Lol, if Oliver freaking Vernon got paid, Odell should get paid.... I could be wrong, but I still believe they traded JPP and his massive contract to free up money to get Odell signed. I also believe they will do the same with Vernon next season if he doesn't have a breakout year. JPP was due to make 17 million next season if he wasn't traded. If they were willing to pay a player who blew off 3 of his fingers doing something stupid, I can't imagine why they wouldn't sign the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the game, who's not this bad guy some make him out to be. He's a game changer and his absence after his injury last season was obvious proof. All good points. |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 12:15:53 GMT -5
I initially though the same, that they offloaded JPP in anticipation of Odell's contract but Solder's CAP hit in 2019 is $17M so that's a wash. They might really have to cut Vernon, Snacks, Jackrabbit, Eli or Solder (Obviously they aren't cutting Solder in year 2) if they want to sign Odell to the money he will demand...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:28:22 GMT -5
I initially though the same, that they offloaded JPP in anticipation of Odell's contract but Solder's CAP hit in 2019 is $17M so that's a wash. They might really have to cut Vernon, Snacks, Jackrabbit, Eli or Solder (Obviously they aren't cutting Solder in year 2) if they want to sign Odell to the money he will demand... The Giants are expected to have 32 million in cap space next season. Vernon's salary for 2019 is 15.2 million. That's way too much for what he brings to the table. He has a good motor, but it doesn't translate into sacks and consistent QB pressure. I don't see how they can justify keeping him. Collins is next up as well and he's sure to get a big contract if they keep him. It makes all the sense in the world to sign Odell now and not wait any longer. He's proven his worth 10 times over. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2018 12:29:41 GMT -5
I think Beckham's deal will get done at some point this summer or very early in the season.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 12:34:48 GMT -5
I think Beckham's deal will get done at some point this summer or very early in the season. The Giants really don't have any cap space left and what they do have they need to leave in place in case of injuries. Ibleedblue is correct about their cap space next year but they have nothing to work with at this point in time. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 24, 2018 12:37:23 GMT -5
I think Beckham's deal will get done at some point this summer or very early in the season. The Giants really don't have any cap space left and what they do have they need to leave in place in case of injuries. Ibleedblue is correct about their cap space next year but they have nothing to work with at this point in time. I think they can give him his deal without altering the cap hits for this year. It's not like ehe's gonna get a raise this year in a new deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 13:20:35 GMT -5
I think Beckham's deal will get done at some point this summer or very early in the season. The Giants really don't have any cap space left and what they do have they need to leave in place in case of injuries. Ibleedblue is correct about their cap space next year but they have nothing to work with at this point in time. They have 2 million left to spend. The Jonathan Stewart signing is still a head scratcher as well. Gallman is a solid backup. That money could have been used to resign Ross Cockrell. Here's what Carolina signed Cockrell for. www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/ross-cockrell-14520/ |
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Post by jb456 on Jul 24, 2018 15:27:07 GMT -5
The Giants really don't have any cap space left and what they do have they need to leave in place in case of injuries. Ibleedblue is correct about their cap space next year but they have nothing to work with at this point in time. They have 2 million left to spend. The Jonathan Stewart signing is still a head scratcher as well. Gallman is a solid backup. That money could have been used to resign Ross Cockrell. Here's what Carolina signed Cockrell for. www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/ross-cockrell-14520/$2 Million isn't even enough contingency money without signing anyone. I think they should have at least $3 - $4 million to account for injuries, maybe even more. |
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 25, 2018 7:44:32 GMT -5
$2 Million isn't even enough contingency money without signing anyone. I think they should have at least $3 - $4 million to account for injuries, maybe even more. This is a good point, we've looked at injuries as a big culprit in previous failed seasons. Other teams seem to keep some distance from the cap max.. |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 25, 2018 8:07:34 GMT -5
If Beckham comes into camp quietly, and puts in the work...I think it can stop some of the (he's a prima donna, he's a cancer in the locker room) stuff to rest. I realize he has no leverage for a deal right now. However, Evans and Cooks have gotten paid and they can't hold a candle to OBJ talent wise. I expect him to come back to put up huge numbers and earn that $$$ this offseason. No one has ever said that he was a cancer in the locker room |
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Post by Speedman on Jul 25, 2018 8:09:19 GMT -5
He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. How much did he get out of the contract up front already? |
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 25, 2018 8:11:16 GMT -5
He's always put in the work. This has nothing to do with him wanting more money. Like him or not, the man put his all out there every single Sunday. Putting in work has never been an issue with him. Julio Jones is the one acting like a Prima Donna. He just signed a monster deal 3 years ago (5 years 71.25 million) and now he wants even more money. Jones wants security. If that contract had more guaranteed money, it might not be as much of an issue. Do you know if Jones gets injured in 2018, he gets nothing. He has no security. This also means that every time he plays until the end of his contract he is basically gambling (For 3 years, lol). They can cut him in a second and he is finished. Ridiculous. Jones pocketed $47M guaranteed on his deal. Maybe he (or his agent) should have read it before he signed it. The Falcons would be stupid to renegotiate any part of that deal now. |
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