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Post by Merc on Jul 24, 2018 12:49:32 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah!
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jul 24, 2018 12:51:34 GMT -5
He really has done way more with one off season than I imagined he could.
And I don't think he's done yet....I expect a few surprises before September.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 24, 2018 13:29:02 GMT -5
hopefully he will return to full health and have a good long run, used a lot of creativity to get as much as possible done got us some linebackers started getting the OL in order RB is night and day, not bad for one offseason, the team was in bad shape there is still more work to be done cleaning up the cap and such, getting some young pass rushers in here and more young mean hog mollies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 14:05:03 GMT -5
The thing I like about his picks so far is how there aren't any real "head scratchers." We didn't draft the "JPP of LB" or the "Orlando Pace of OL." DG just got guys he feels can make an immediate impact on field and improve in areas the team was weak in for so long.
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Post by Merc on Jul 24, 2018 15:27:41 GMT -5
hopefully he will return to full health and have a good long run, used a lot of creativity to get as much as possible done got us some linebackers started getting the OL in order RB is night and day, not bad for one offseason, the team was in bad shape there is still more work to be done cleaning up the cap and such, getting some young pass rushers in here and more young mean hog mollies. We can always improve, but I believe he has done enough to give us a shot at a run.
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Post by jmike on Jul 24, 2018 15:30:49 GMT -5
You don't get points for trying. What is this pee-wee soccer where they don't even keep score and everyone gets a trophy? It is his job to make the right decisions and improve the team. Trying isn't good enough and not worth the effort if he fails anyway.
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 24, 2018 15:50:04 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! I like his moves on paper. Reminds me of the off season of the 2012 Eagles.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 24, 2018 16:19:15 GMT -5
I'm pleasantly surprised so far.I was against the hire as I wanted the team to bring in someone young and from outside the organization.
I'll repeat this theme but for me it starts with being 100% on the same page with the entire coaching staff,and this seems to be the case.When this happens it's a lot easier to build a good roster and quickly. Let's see how they do on the field now.
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Post by shocknaweny on Jul 24, 2018 16:20:59 GMT -5
Very pleased with the acquisitions he has made on the OL and DL in particular
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2018 16:22:56 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! +100 Well said
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Post by TEM on Jul 24, 2018 16:25:22 GMT -5
i like all the moves ha has made so far. Let see if all the pieces fit and we can have a good season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 24, 2018 16:58:55 GMT -5
hopefully he will return to full health and have a good long run, used a lot of creativity to get as much as possible done got us some linebackers started getting the OL in order RB is night and day, not bad for one offseason, the team was in bad shape there is still more work to be done cleaning up the cap and such, getting some young pass rushers in here and more young mean hog mollies. We can always improve, but I believe he has done enough to give us a shot at a run. you never know if the rookies grow up fast and we get some pass rush from some unexpected places and last but not least hopefully the secondary will be able to hold up,JJ is supposed to be our best corner but through his career he has been average maybe a little above then he broke out in 16.
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Post by brownelvis54 on Jul 24, 2018 17:51:08 GMT -5
Year one...so far so good. He really didn't have much cap space.. cant wait to see how he continues to build in the following years to come. I also pray for his health
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 18:24:11 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! Wouldn't it be prudent to see how these moves produce before we consider it a success?
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Post by jmike on Jul 24, 2018 18:27:51 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! Wouldn't it be prudent to see how these moves produce before we consider it a success? Precisely.
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Post by Merc on Jul 24, 2018 19:47:37 GMT -5
The GM has done his job up to now. Now it's up to the coaches to make it work.
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Post by ocgiant on Jul 24, 2018 21:24:09 GMT -5
So appreciated... after the slide with JR the last few seasons.
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Post by Nick6475 on Jul 24, 2018 22:00:21 GMT -5
The GM has done his job up to now. Now it's up to the coaches to make it work. Yes, he did his job...get enough players to field a football team...whether or not he did a good job remains to be seen. And keep this in mind...he was gifted the highest picks the Giants have ever had (I don't know if that is true, but I don't know the last time they had the first or second pick).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 7:24:00 GMT -5
Lets see... He got rid of one over priced DE which was great..
Brought in an over paid LB and then over paid big time for an average LT...
Those were needed positions so I guess hurting the cap space was fine in these spots...
Then... He over drafts a RB at the 2 slot which now makes 3 players taking up some extra cap space so this team better make the playoffs or he truly hasn't done a good job like what is being stated here...
Lets's see what the record is in January before anyone praises his decision...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 8:27:36 GMT -5
The GM has done his job up to now. Now it's up to the coaches to make it work. Yes, he did his job...get enough players to field a football team...whether or not he did a good job remains to be seen. And keep this in mind...he was gifted the highest picks the Giants have ever had (I don't know if that is true, but I don't know the last time they had the first or second pick). he wasn't gifted that it was earned not by him but earned nevertheless,this team had a fantastic opportunity the last five years with some top ten picks and a ton of money under the cap to spend thats why DG is here, much like Bill Parcells most of his stops he had picks in the top 5 even #1 with the pats just the nature of the business,for me I welcome the return of using top picks on OL DL LB now hopefully he brings what ever he did in Carolina with him drafting all pros and pro bowlers on both side of the ball in the trenches and getting some pretty good corners and LBs to boot.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2018 8:29:12 GMT -5
You don't get points for trying. What is this pee-wee soccer where they don't even keep score and everyone gets a trophy? It is his job to make the right decisions and improve the team. Trying isn't good enough and not worth the effort if he fails anyway. you cant succeed if you dont first "try". Trying, if done to the best of one's ability, is not a waste of effort. Failing is part of eventually succeeding many times. While I wont bestow accolades on DG just yet I also wont dog him for trying.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 8:33:34 GMT -5
Lets see... He got rid of one over priced DE which was great.. Brought in an over paid LB and then over paid big time for an average LT... Those were needed positions so I guess hurting the cap space was fine in these spots... Then... He over drafts a RB at the 2 slot which now makes 3 players taking up some extra cap space so this team better make the playoffs or he truly hasn't done a good job like what is being stated here... Lets's see what the record is in January before anyone praises his decision... Ogletree is over paid but the giants haven't had a linebacker close to his talent in five years, soldiers contract is easy out in two years giving them time to draft what is needed to replace him and build,tellin right now he had a 2-3 year job to get the giants to contender status to date he has done everything possible to cleanup this mess if Biel works out they will be save more money when JJ goes, you don't fix 5 years of bad in one year.
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Post by jmike on Jul 25, 2018 9:02:53 GMT -5
You don't get points for trying. What is this pee-wee soccer where they don't even keep score and everyone gets a trophy? It is his job to make the right decisions and improve the team. Trying isn't good enough and not worth the effort if he fails anyway. you cant succeed if you dont first "try". Trying, if done to the best of one's ability, is not a waste of effort. Failing is part of eventually succeeding many times. While I wont bestow accolades on DG just yet I also wont dog him for trying. I did not mean to imply that one should not try. But the effort of trying holds no value in itself to the final outcome. It is that outcome that matters. He is not being paid to try to make good decisions. He is being paid to produce success though his decisions. So while I am overall satisfied with the off season, if it does not lead to a better team he deserves no accolades, credit or pat on the back for a good effort. The notion of rewarding effort above results is crippling the next generation in this country and leads to the feeling of entitlement we see in young adults and teenagers. It also leads to low self motivation and drive, which just weakens us as a people.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2018 9:08:00 GMT -5
you cant succeed if you dont first "try". Trying, if done to the best of one's ability, is not a waste of effort. Failing is part of eventually succeeding many times. While I wont bestow accolades on DG just yet I also wont dog him for trying. I did not mean to imply that one should not try. But the effort of trying holds no value in itself to the final outcome. trying definitely can hold big value. Trial and error.....right? Edison....."I found a thousands ways NOT to make a light bulb".....
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 9:14:47 GMT -5
you cant succeed if you dont first "try". Trying, if done to the best of one's ability, is not a waste of effort. Failing is part of eventually succeeding many times. While I wont bestow accolades on DG just yet I also wont dog him for trying. I did not mean to imply that one should not try. But the effort of trying holds no value in itself to the final outcome. It is that outcome that matters. He is not being paid to try to make good decisions. He is being paid to produce success though his decisions. So while I am overall satisfied with the off season, if it does not lead to a better team he deserves no accolades, credit or pat on the back for a good effort. The notion of rewarding effort above results is crippling the next generation in this country and leads to the feeling of entitlement we see in young adults and teenagers. It also leads to low self motivation and drive, which just weakens us as a people. This is all true but I think the team we all root for has to be built like a building if by end of season I see a solid foundation and a team with direction I would consider this season a success
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Post by DandyDon on Jul 25, 2018 9:33:43 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! Wouldn't it be prudent to see how these moves produce before we consider it a success? It's more fun to make wild predictions and then if they happen to be right, brag about how you were right.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jul 25, 2018 10:06:55 GMT -5
I like all of the moves DG has made this off-season, but games aren't won or lost in the off-season. You don't get credit for off-season moves until you see if they come to fruition during the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:07:12 GMT -5
Lets see... He got rid of one over priced DE which was great.. Brought in an over paid LB and then over paid big time for an average LT... Those were needed positions so I guess hurting the cap space was fine in these spots... Then... He over drafts a RB at the 2 slot which now makes 3 players taking up some extra cap space so this team better make the playoffs or he truly hasn't done a good job like what is being stated here... Lets's see what the record is in January before anyone praises his decision... Ogletree is over paid but the giants haven't had a linebacker close to his talent in five years, soldiers contract is easy out in two years giving them time to draft what is needed to replace him and build,tellin right now he had a 2-3 year job to get the giants to contender status to date he has done everything possible to cleanup this mess if Biel works out they will be save more money when JJ goes, you don't fix 5 years of bad in one year. I will agree with you except that DG went all in for this year and over drafted a RB instead of using that spot in a trade to build the roster with a few more high draft picks on rookie contracts...
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jul 25, 2018 10:32:21 GMT -5
Ogletree is over paid but the giants haven't had a linebacker close to his talent in five years, soldiers contract is easy out in two years giving them time to draft what is needed to replace him and build,tellin right now he had a 2-3 year job to get the giants to contender status to date he has done everything possible to cleanup this mess if Biel works out they will be save more money when JJ goes, you don't fix 5 years of bad in one year. I will agree with you except that DG went all in for this year and over drafted a RB instead of using that spot in a trade to build the roster with a few more high draft picks on rookie contracts... I wanted him to trade down as well but take him at his word that he didn't get offers worth the #2 pick. Since he still got one of the players I was hoping for who I thought would be gone (Hernandez), I probably have an easier time with not getting what I hoped for
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:56:50 GMT -5
I will agree with you except that DG went all in for this year and over drafted a RB instead of using that spot in a trade to build the roster with a few more high draft picks on rookie contracts... I wanted him to trade down as well but take him at his word that he didn't get offers worth the #2 pick. Since he still got one of the players I was hoping for who I thought would be gone (Hernandez), I probably have an easier time with not getting what I hoped for A winning season is the only thing that let me move on and feel he's doing a good enough job since I feel he blew it this year...
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