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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 14:02:05 GMT -5
get where your coming from but this team has seen some of the worst football played in franchise history as bad as the seventies but not as long, I feel the same way but I try to look at it as a project that needs to be done right's Shurmer put it you eat an elephant one bite at a time. I'm not disagreeing with that notion of small steps towards a goal. But if he takes the wrong steps I am not going to thank him for the effort. Agree 100% everything looks better in the offseason, think the fan base was getting so used to the status quo they are energized at the moment as am I Even the last 5 years I would look at the upside and hope for the best we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 14:37:12 GMT -5
get where your coming from but this team has seen some of the worst football played in franchise history as bad as the seventies but not as long, I feel the same way but I try to look at it as a project that needs to be done right's Shurmer put it you eat an elephant one bite at a time. I'm not disagreeing with that notion of small steps towards a goal. But if he takes the wrong steps I am not going to thank him for the effort. That's fine if you don't want to give credit prematurely. For others, we see a GM who is making moves and trying to improve the roster by fixing broken areas. Ultimately, he'll be judged by the results of his decisions. At the moment, there's nothing wrong with giving the man credit for trying to fix areas of need. If the Giants traded Roger Lewis for Antonio Brown and made Pitt. eat up all his salary would you give DG credit or take a wait and see approach because there's a chance AB blows his ACL and Lewis becomes an all pro WR?
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Post by jmike on Jul 25, 2018 14:48:43 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with that notion of small steps towards a goal. But if he takes the wrong steps I am not going to thank him for the effort. That's fine if you don't want to give credit prematurely. For others, we see a GM who is making moves and trying to improve the roster by fixing broken areas. Ultimately, he'll be judged by the results of his decisions. At the moment, there's nothing wrong with giving the man credit for trying to fix areas of need. If the Giants traded Roger Lewis for Antonio Brown and made Pitt. eat up all his salary would you give DG credit or take a wait and see approach because there's a chance AB blows his ACL and Lewis becomes an all pro WR? I like most of the moves he has made. I think he is doing a good job. But here's the thing, his job is not to make some idiot fan like myself happy with his moves. His job is to make moves that result in a better team and ultimately win a championship. So far I approve of his actions, but until I see them hoist another Lombardi he gets no credit from me for doing a good job. So, yes, regardless of the move I will wait and see if it results in the required accomplishment. I've been having this same argument with people since I was a child. Results matter. Best way to reach a desired result is with the least effort, this allows you more time and energy to accomplish more desired results.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 15:04:22 GMT -5
Everyone is well aware of the ultimate goal, but to suggest we should not give him any credit at this stage makes no sense IMO. I like the moves he’s made so far, and I don’t need a playoff win to admit it. I liked the Beal pick up as well. Word is he’s out for the year. That’s football. And all you can do is try to win. We certainly are thinking differently about this because I feel he should've been thinking more about the future but his moves were all about these next two seasons... Gotcha. I understand the desire to have taken a QB at 2 and was expecting it myself. And I also realize the concerns about taking a RB so high as well. But I heard the talk of that none of these QB’s are a sure thing and with so many misses on QB’s in the first round I’m going to cut DG some slack on his first draft. Plus, after the McAdoo debacle, I’d like to see Eli go out on a higher note.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 15:06:56 GMT -5
Everyone is well aware of the ultimate goal, but to suggest we should not give him any credit at this stage makes no sense IMO. I like the moves he’s made so far, and I don’t need a playoff win to admit it. I liked the Beal pick up as well. Word is he’s out for the year. That’s football. And all you can do is try to win. The moves he made may have made the team significantly worse this season than last. We don't know yet. When you are hired to be the GM of an NFL franchise, you are not paid to try to win; you are paid to win. Significantly worse than 3-13? I seriously doubt that. This team was a wreck last year. I can’t imagine it getting worse.
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Post by Jaydub on Jul 25, 2018 15:09:47 GMT -5
He has done more for this team in the offseason than anyone imagined with the limited cap space. He deserves the credit regardless of the outcome. Big Blue Hoorah! Wouldn't it be prudent to see how these moves produce before we consider it a success? Agreed. Everything is still an unknown at this point
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 15:14:30 GMT -5
We certainly are thinking differently about this because I feel he should've been thinking more about the future but his moves were all about these next two seasons... Gotcha. I understand the desire to have taken a QB at 2 and was expecting it myself. And I also realize the concerns about taking a RB so high as well. But I heard the talk of that none of these QB’s are a sure thing and with so many misses on QB’s in the first round I’m going to cut DG some slack on his first draft. Plus, after the McAdoo debacle, I’d like to see Eli go out on a higher note. It's not just about the draft and picking a QB at the 2 slot for me because trading that pick to acquire a few more high draft picks would've been better than what DG did.. Also the Ogletree and Solder pick ups are only about these next 2 years which is why I feel playoffs or bust these next two years...
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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2018 15:35:01 GMT -5
nope not at all....my notion was to express that whther praised or not "trying" is not wasted effort. I mentioned more than once that accolades for trying is debatable. Its obvious one doesnt try just to "try". There is always, or at least should be, a goal. Thas not the point here at all. Trying often can be a wasted effort if nothing positive comes from the effort. What if trying cost you everything, family, friends, your home, your life and produced nothing in return. Definitely a wasted effort. Now this isn't to say people shouldn't try, but the notion that simply trying has some value to the individual or society if just wrong. It can, the efforts of one could result in the success of another; however, trying independent of of outcome holds no value. You have your view I have mine you think you are right and I think otherwise. Next Topic.
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Post by snyder55 on Jul 25, 2018 15:36:50 GMT -5
I think the people on this board are pretty savvy and know what they see and recognize in Gettleman a good GM, something IMO we haven't had in a lot of years. I don't want to kick a man when he is down but I always felt that Reese was in way over his head.....
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Post by jmike on Jul 25, 2018 15:48:15 GMT -5
The moves he made may have made the team significantly worse this season than last. We don't know yet. When you are hired to be the GM of an NFL franchise, you are not paid to try to win; you are paid to win. Significantly worse than 3-13? I seriously doubt that. This team was a wreck last year. I can’t imagine it getting worse. don't temp fate
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Post by jmike on Jul 25, 2018 15:52:42 GMT -5
Trying often can be a wasted effort if nothing positive comes from the effort. What if trying cost you everything, family, friends, your home, your life and produced nothing in return. Definitely a wasted effort. Now this isn't to say people shouldn't try, but the notion that simply trying has some value to the individual or society if just wrong. It can, the efforts of one could result in the success of another; however, trying independent of of outcome holds no value. You have your view I have mine you think you are right and I think otherwise. Next Topic. (translation: can't refute, can't concede, change subject)
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Post by DonnieYen on Jul 25, 2018 16:41:49 GMT -5
anyone know how Gettleman's cancer treatments are going? is he in remission and recovering? is he still able to work?
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Post by TEM on Jul 25, 2018 17:17:11 GMT -5
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Post by Merc on Jul 25, 2018 17:39:32 GMT -5
Great job and now great news!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:59:32 GMT -5
Awesome sauce
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 18:16:09 GMT -5
Significantly worse than 3-13? I seriously doubt that. This team was a wreck last year. I can’t imagine it getting worse. don't temp fate I watched enough bad Giants football to know it doesn’t get much worse, and barring injuring I think we have too much talent quite honestly. Of course that means nothing other than what I believe.
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Post by DonnieYen on Jul 25, 2018 19:58:14 GMT -5
Great job and now great news! that is awesome news glad to hear!
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Post by GameTime on Jul 25, 2018 20:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 25, 2018 20:15:57 GMT -5
Easily the best news this year. **** wins or losses and draft and stuff,kicking cancer's ass is 100% priority
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 26, 2018 5:20:59 GMT -5
Did you know that George Washington Carver never actually reached his goal of inventing peanut butter? Nope, didn't care either. We have peanut butter and it is delicious. So if our team gets back to a great running game, ball control, opportunistic defense, plays very competitively for the next couple years, then develops or brings in a QB while a solid team is in place, becomes a perennial playoff show up - and eventually wins another S.B.... wouldn't that be delicious, too?
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Post by jmike on Jul 26, 2018 8:05:39 GMT -5
Nope, didn't care either. We have peanut butter and it is delicious. So if our team gets back to a great running game, ball control, opportunistic defense, plays very competitively for the next couple years, then develops or brings in a QB while a solid team is in place, becomes a perennial playoff show up - and eventually wins another S.B.... wouldn't that be delicious, too? Yes, but should we give him credit for doing that now? I don't get why so many have an issue with the concept of waiting until the race is run to award the winner.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 26, 2018 11:25:48 GMT -5
So if our team gets back to a great running game, ball control, opportunistic defense, plays very competitively for the next couple years, then develops or brings in a QB while a solid team is in place, becomes a perennial playoff show up - and eventually wins another S.B.... wouldn't that be delicious, too? Yes, but should we give him credit for doing that now? I don't get why so many have an issue with the concept of waiting until the race is run to award the winner. I will give him this he did everything possible along with Shurmer to get pride and professionalism back in the building, he didn't play games about the OL faced the fact that they just weren't good enough no matter how many high draft picks playing on it and said they needed to get it done, and didn't play games with media and fans as far as what needs be done as he said Rome wasn't built in a day, but the jury is still out on how all this turns out agreed 100%,but I feel a much more positive vibe coming from the Giants these days.
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Post by jimmieray on Jul 26, 2018 12:46:16 GMT -5
So if our team gets back to a great running game, ball control, opportunistic defense, plays very competitively for the next couple years, then develops or brings in a QB while a solid team is in place, becomes a perennial playoff show up - and eventually wins another S.B.... wouldn't that be delicious, too? Yes, but should we give him credit for doing that now? I don't get why so many have an issue with the concept of waiting until the race is run to award the winner. I don't know if that S.B. will come during Gettleman's tenure, but key pieces and direction could come from it.
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