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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:43:19 GMT -5
um......he was a rookie who was technically picked in the 3rd round. Bottom of the depth chart. Everyone relax.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:44:07 GMT -5
Fans recently have evolved into feeling the need to assign blame to whatever situation. It's toxic. Recently?
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 18:49:18 GMT -5
At this point, there's a lot of conflicting information about Beal. The bullshit artists...I mean, reporters are claiming he was initially injured Monday, then practiced today. And then Shurmur claims he is tremendous...etc. until we hear something from the coaches mouth, then I don't think these reports of "season ending" are worth more than the ink they're printed with.
I read he has had shoulder issues. Injured it Monday. Practiced today and couldn't go.
They were weighing him playing with a harness vs him having surgery and missing the season.
Word is he probably will have the surgery.
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Post by jb456 on Jul 25, 2018 18:58:06 GMT -5
The injury is real. This story is being reported on NFL.com, ABC, USA today, bigblue view.
Now with that said, WTH! How the heck did he injure his shoulder? Their hasn't even started practicing! Did he jump from a moving car on his way to his first meeting, damn? What a freaking waste, yay, the Giants cash in a 3rd round draft pick on an injured player. To me, this could actually mean that he was injured before the supplemental draft and the Giants didn't do their do diligence. I don't even care about the reports that said he injured his shoulder last Monday. Is this guy made of glass?...
Rant off..........
Get ahold of yourself. It’s football. Injuries happen Sure injuries happen, but before actual contact, or practice, or a game? Cmon, it's Wierd along the lines of blowing your fingers off while watching a lit fuse enter a firework.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 19:01:43 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. Based on what few posts I've read of yours so far, I'm led to believe that there is not much you DO like about this team. Why are you here? Is it your goal to troll away all of the pre-season optimism? Do you want everyone here to be a miserable whiny turd in the punch bowl? Bottom line......like most of us, you don't have an inkling of a clue about what's going to happen this season. No one is going to take you seriously. And IF by chance you turn out to be right, it was still just a guess.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 19:40:32 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. Based on what few posts I've read of yours so far, I'm led to believe that there is not much you DO like about this team. Why are you here? Is it your goal to troll away all of the pre-season optimism? Do you want everyone here to be a miserable whiny turd in the punch bowl? Bottom line......like most of us, you don't have an inkling of a clue about what's going to happen this season. No one is going to take you seriously. And IF by chance you turn out to be right, it was still just a guess. I’m sorry, I must have been confused. I thought this was a public forum where we could express our opinions whether you agree or disagree, positive or negative. I didn’t realize by not being a homer means I’m a troll. Perhaps you should start a new thread for homers only where you guys can fluff each other all day. Your argument about no one knows whats going to happen is dumb. If you want to negate and discredit my comments because I don’t know what will happen that’s fine but I hope you tell all the homers the same since they can’t see future either. Lol, do you think I care whether other people take me seriously? I’m not trying to get published here pal, just expressing my opinions like everyone else. If you can’t handle my criticism of certain controversial players or some of the moves are GM has made then put me on ignore instead of being a hypocrite and crying about it.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 19:50:12 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. Based on what few posts I've read of yours so far, I'm led to believe that there is not much you DO like about this team. Why are you here? Is it your goal to troll away all of the pre-season optimism? Do you want everyone here to be a miserable whiny turd in the punch bowl? Bottom line......like most of us, you don't have an inkling of a clue about what's going to happen this season. No one is going to take you seriously. And IF by chance you turn out to be right, it was still just a guess. As far as what I do like about this team...I like the Hernandez pick the most, great addition but I guess I can’t really say that without any credibility because I don’t know how he’ll turn out and if he is good I just got “lucky”. Same goes for Barkley, love the guy on and off the field but don’t think it was the best pick for the situation we’re in. Again, you should have already stopped reading by now because no one knows what will happen, especially me since I’m more critical than most. I’m looking forward to the new defense but am worried about lack of depth at LB and especially corner. I also like Shurmur as HC, he was my top pick but I was/am slightly concerned after watching his complete lack of adjustments on offense after the first half of the Philthy playoff game. I’m also looking forward to our offense being 100% healthy, hopefully but Flowers is still a HUGE concern that wasn’t addressed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 19:52:43 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. they were torched with them last year when both were healthy lol Jenkens in his career had one shut down season 2016, a third round pick wasn't gonna save this group.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 19:54:56 GMT -5
glad you have it all figured out Gettleman certainly doesn’t, he’ll retire in 4-5 years and leave us with a shell of a team. like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 19:57:52 GMT -5
Secondary is definitely going to be the black eye of this team. There are two proven players in the entire group. It didn't have to be. DG created this mess. For starters, he should have resigned Cockrell. He can still pick up the phone and call DRC before someone else does. Cut John Jerry if they need the extra cash, but I bet DRC is willing to come back on the cheap. the Giants secondary was swiss cheese with DRC cockerel and apple and even when Jenkens was still healthy,DG did the right thing you build on both sides of the ball from the inside out, they weren't fixing 5 years of bad drafts in one off season.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 19:59:59 GMT -5
What basis do you have for blaming the training staff? The kid was here only a few days.... I said in my post it was a freak injury,but at the same time I'm also reminding people that this team has had more careers destroyed by this training staff and going back to when Ron Dixon's knee sprain he had in 2002 ended up ending his career. new training staff came in with Mac Adoo and they are still here, first year everyone loved the new training staff while they were injury free last year not so much.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 25, 2018 20:13:26 GMT -5
I said in my post it was a freak injury,but at the same time I'm also reminding people that this team has had more careers destroyed by this training staff and going back to when Ron Dixon's knee sprain he had in 2002 ended up ending his career. new training staff came in with Mac Adoo and they are still here, first year everyone loved the new training staff while they were injury free last year not so much. Last year we also set the record for sprained ankles as well,and it just wasn't our turf as we had players go down on natural surfaces. I'm wondering if the real reason the equipment personal were fired was because of this and they used the memorabilia scandal as an excuse because like everything with this team they had a long history with the team and we know how the Mara's are loyal to a fault (and taping ankles would fall on these guys I'm thinking)
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 20:25:18 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. they were torched with them last year when both were healthy lol Jenkens in his career had one shut down season 2016, a third round pick wasn't gonna save this group. Well I’m hoping Jenkins and Apple’s lack of production was more due to their piss poor attitude rather than lack of talent.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 20:28:39 GMT -5
Gettleman certainly doesn’t, he’ll retire in 4-5 years and leave us with a shell of a team. like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell. What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 20:32:16 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman.
Last I heard Dave has been fighting cancer. Do you think the decision to draft Beal was a team decision or do you just outright blame Dave?
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 20:34:06 GMT -5
like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell. What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure.
His decision making as a GM at Carolina absolutely factored into him being here.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 20:54:58 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman.
Last I heard Dave has been fighting cancer. Do you think the decision to draft Beal was a team decision or do you just outright blame Dave?
I wasn’t specifically talking about Beal, admittedly I should have been more clear. I was referring to the overall lack of depth at corner (ie letting DRC and Cockrell walk so easily). To answer your question, I would assume he still has as much say as he did before he found out about the cancer. He doesn’t seem like the type to not be heavily involved unless he’s not breathing.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 20:56:44 GMT -5
What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure.
His decision making as a GM at Carolina absolutely factored into him being here.
Along with him being one of Mara’s guys. I seriously doubt he would be here if he didn’t have the history he does with the Giants. I also meant what he did in Carolina doesn’t mean he will repeat here, he’s starting from scratch.
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Post by Roosevelt on Jul 25, 2018 21:18:23 GMT -5
I wasn’t specifically talking about Beal, admittedly I should have been more clear. I was referring to the overall lack of depth at corner (ie letting DRC and Cockrell walk so easily). To answer your question, I would assume he still has as much say as he did before he found out about the cancer. He doesn’t seem like the type to not be heavily involved unless he’s not breathing.
All I know is the Giants tried to keep DRC at a reduced price but he wouldn't agree to the pay cut. I also heard nothing about the Giants allowing Cockrell to walk so easily.
Along with him being one of Mara’s guys. I seriously doubt he would be here if he didn’t have the history he does with the Giants. I also meant what he did in Carolina doesn’t mean he will repeat here, he’s starting from scratch. What he did here and at Carolina represented what he'd be as our GM.
Not sure what your issue is with him being Mara's guy. Everyone has their "guys". I don't see an issue with that as long as he does a good job.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 21:32:03 GMT -5
like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell. What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure. well take a look at what a mess they had there owner fired him and put the team on the market there were other problems and he seems to have been the least of them.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 21:32:32 GMT -5
like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell. What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 21:33:54 GMT -5
I wasn’t specifically talking about Beal, admittedly I should have been more clear. I was referring to the overall lack of depth at corner (ie letting DRC and Cockrell walk so easily). To answer your question, I would assume he still has as much say as he did before he found out about the cancer. He doesn’t seem like the type to not be heavily involved unless he’s not breathing.
All I know is the Giants tried to keep DRC at a reduced price but he wouldn't agree to the pay cut. I also heard nothing about the Giants allowing Cockrell to walk so easily.
Along with him being one of Mara’s guys. I seriously doubt he would be here if he didn’t have the history he does with the Giants. I also meant what he did in Carolina doesn’t mean he will repeat here, he’s starting from scratch. What he did here and at Carolina represented what he'd be as our GM.
Not sure what your issue is with him being Mara's guy. Everyone has their "guys". I don't see an issue with that as long as he does a good job.
Everyone has their guys but I know I’m not the only one that was hoping for some fresh outside thinking in here for once.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 21:35:25 GMT -5
like the mess he created in Carolina not two bro bowlers one all pro and and few on the fringe plus Mc Caffery and getting them out of salary cap hell. What he did in Carolina has no bearing here, if it does why not bring up why if he was so valuable did they fire him? He was so great, they fired him because he didn’t baby the players. Sure. what he did their has everything to do with why he is here he drafted well and does things the right way building from the inside out, even on the soldier deal they can be out of it by 2020 giving them some time to start the building process while having a serviceable tackle.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 21:40:01 GMT -5
they were torched with them last year when both were healthy lol Jenkens in his career had one shut down season 2016, a third round pick wasn't gonna save this group. Well I’m hoping Jenkins and Apple’s lack of production was more due to their piss poor attitude rather than lack of talent. Apple the jury is still out on he is young and showed some upside his rookie year, Jenkens I'm kind of worried about most of his career except for 2016 was more on par with last year, he would make big plays but give up just as many.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jul 25, 2018 21:47:11 GMT -5
new training staff came in with Mac Adoo and they are still here, first year everyone loved the new training staff while they were injury free last year not so much. Last year we also set the record for sprained ankles as well,and it just wasn't our turf as we had players go down on natural surfaces. I'm wondering if the real reason the equipment personal were fired was because of this and they used the memorabilia scandal as an excuse because like everything with this team they had a long history with the team and we know how the Mara's are loyal to a fault (and taping ankles would fall on these guys I'm thinking) we will never know the whole story behind any of this stuff ,I have come to accept it's football guys get hurt sometimes in bunches thats why when your not drafting good and barely getting starters to begin with it really hurts because bad teams starters aren't very good what do you think the depth looks like, that said I do get annoyed when they take risk in the top 3 rounds on player with significant injury history's wich this franchise has done a lot of.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Jul 25, 2018 21:47:53 GMT -5
Another great non move by Gettleman. Our secondary will be absolutely torched if Apple or Jenkins get hurt. It doesn’t help that Ogletree has something like an 82% completion rate against him. But hey, we have an over paid RB to motivate the locker room after losses. I’m assuming you’re referring to Stewart in which case you don’t have a clue about the guy!!! And what the hell is a non move?
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 21:52:14 GMT -5
You guys act like I hate DG and am rooting against him just because I haven’t liked quite a few of his moves. We all have our own opinions and I hope mine is wrong, contrary to what some of you like to think and assume. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong and I would love to eat a big heaping plate of crow when the season is over. Unfortunately, I think we have a very very small window to succeed and a good portion of that hinges on Eli. I sure as hell hope they are right about him and/or one of the back up qb’s because if they’re not, this years first round draft pick won’t look so hot no matter how well he does.
It’s ok, continue to hate me, luckily I’m not trying to win a popularity contest. I was highly critical of JR’s spending spree on defense and caught all kinds of shit on the old site. I was also against resigning JPP and expressed my discontent with his contract which wasn’t a popular view at the time either. I’m used to it.
I can continue to be critical because I love the Giants and it pisses me off when they do things I don’t agree with or I can just sit back and talk about how everything will be rainbows and unicorns. Until I see us make the playoffs, guess what, I’m going to continue to be critical so get used to it or ignore me because I have a feeling it may be awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 22:05:20 GMT -5
Based on what few posts I've read of yours so far, I'm led to believe that there is not much you DO like about this team. Why are you here? Is it your goal to troll away all of the pre-season optimism? Do you want everyone here to be a miserable whiny turd in the punch bowl? Bottom line......like most of us, you don't have an inkling of a clue about what's going to happen this season. No one is going to take you seriously. And IF by chance you turn out to be right, it was still just a guess. I’m sorry, I must have been confused. I thought this was a public forum where we could express our opinions whether you agree or disagree, positive or negative. I didn’t realize by not being a homer means I’m a troll. Perhaps you should start a new thread for homers only where you guys can fluff each other all day. Your argument about no one knows whats going to happen is dumb. If you want to negate and discredit my comments because I don’t know what will happen that’s fine but I hope you tell all the homers the same since they can’t see future either. Lol, do you think I care whether other people take me seriously? I’m not trying to get published here pal, just expressing my opinions like everyone else. If you can’t handle my criticism of certain controversial players or some of the moves are GM has made then put me on ignore instead of being a hypocrite and about it. I didn't say you couldn't post your opinions here. I asked you what your goal was. Up to this point and THIS post, I haven't read anything that you've posted that wasn't negative. I'm glad to see that you finally posted some things you DO like about the team. I was worried you might hurt yourself. As far as my being a hypocrite, when I see someone making a definitive claim about something they cannot possibly know, I point it out. ( You know, the whole the "public forum" and "express our opinions" blah blah blah.......) Whether homer or hater. Putting you on ignore defeats the entire purpose of posting on a message board. Perhaps you may want to reconsider posting your opinions if having someone critique them bothers you so. Lastly, you would not bother expressing your opinions unless A, You want them taken seriously or B. You're trolling. And by the tone of your response, and the fact that you responded at all answers the question. Yes....I do think you care whether other people take you seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 22:08:52 GMT -5
You guys act like I hate DG and am rooting against him just because I haven’t liked quite a few of his moves. We all have our own opinions and I hope mine is wrong, contrary to what some of you like to think and assume. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong and I would love to eat a big heaping plate of crow when the season is over. Unfortunately, I think we have a very very small window to succeed and a good portion of that hinges on Eli. I sure as hell hope they are right about him and/or one of the back up qb’s because if they’re not, this years first round draft pick won’t look so hot no matter how well he does. It’s ok, continue to hate me, luckily I’m not trying to win a popularity contest. I was highly critical of JR’s spending spree on defense and caught all kinds of shit on the old site. I was also against resigning JPP and expressed my discontent with his contract which wasn’t a popular view at the time either. I’m used to it. I can continue to be critical because I love the Giants and it pisses me off when they do things I don’t agree with or I can just sit back and talk about how everything will be rainbows and unicorns. Until I see us make the playoffs, guess what, I’m going to continue to be critical so get used to it or ignore me because I have a feeling it may be awhile. You sure post a lot about the way people perceive you for someone who doesn't care how people perceive you. Just sayin.
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Post by amarth on Jul 25, 2018 22:31:06 GMT -5
I’m sorry, I must have been confused. I thought this was a public forum where we could express our opinions whether you agree or disagree, positive or negative. I didn’t realize by not being a homer means I’m a troll. Perhaps you should start a new thread for homers only where you guys can fluff each other all day. Your argument about no one knows whats going to happen is dumb. If you want to negate and discredit my comments because I don’t know what will happen that’s fine but I hope you tell all the homers the same since they can’t see future either. Lol, do you think I care whether other people take me seriously? I’m not trying to get published here pal, just expressing my opinions like everyone else. If you can’t handle my criticism of certain controversial players or some of the moves are GM has made then put me on ignore instead of being a hypocrite and about it. I didn't say you couldn't post your opinions here. I asked you what your goal was. Up to this point and THIS post, I haven't read anything that you've posted that wasn't negative. I'm glad to see that you finally posted some things you DO like about the team. I was worried you might hurt yourself. As far as my being a hypocrite, when I see someone making a definitive claim about something they cannot possibly know, I point it out. ( You know, the whole the "public forum" and "express our opinions" blah blah blah.......) Whether homer or hater. Putting you on ignore defeats the entire purpose of posting on a message board. Perhaps you may want to reconsider posting your opinions if having someone critique them bothers you so. Lastly, you would not bother expressing your opinions unless A, You want them taken seriously or B. You're trolling. And by the tone of your response, and the fact that you responded at all answers the question. Yes....I do think you care whether other people take you seriously. Why do I have to have a goal to post something? I honestly don’t understand that. How about I’m just a passionate fan, currently on the more pessimistic side than most, who wants a place to vent to fellow Giants fans? If I really thought about it, perhaps my subconscious goal is to relieve myself of self induced stress by bitching about my concerns in a public forum. Honestly, I don’t care if anyone takes me seriously or even responds to my posts but if they do, I will try my best to respond. That doesn’t mean I care if people take me seriously, it’s mostly because people like to make shit up or attack me so I feel the need to defend myself. Sometimes I also need to clarify my comments or answer questions. I DO care if someone calls me a troll because that’s absolute bullshit and just because I’ve posted a handful of times on this site, and it’s been mostly critical, doesn’t make me a troll. I can easily make the reverse argument and say if I wasn’t so critical then that means I don’t care. I’ll be more than happy to post my worn out Giants Super Bowl shirts, Shockey jersey, Strahan jersey and other paraphernalia I currently own if I can figure out how to do it on this site. Just an FYI, I’ve lived in TX most of my life but have been a Giants fan as long as I can remember. I lived in Westchester County until I was 8, specifically Pleasantville. If you’ve been following the Giants long enough, and I know you have, then you know that they used to have training camp at Pace University. I’ll always have great memories of my parents and grandparents bringing me down there to watch them practice. I even specifically remember LT rolling up his windows and flying by us as we waited for autographs. Unfortunately my brother and I ruined the ball Mark Bavarro, Phil Simms, etc signed. I know it’s a pretty lame story for a troll but I tried my best.
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