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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 9:25:20 GMT -5
Ok, please enlighten me about why Stewart was such a great signing and more important than some of our other areas of need that are much more important IMO (ie secondary and FG kicker)? A non move is doing nothing when we should be doing something. Stewart is a solid short yardage guy, he's an excellent blocking back, and he had five 100 yard games in just a complementary role! A kicker is not the priority that the running game was when DG took over. He's trying to score TD's, not another season of living and dying by the FG! As for these alleged "non moves".......All Gettleman has been doing since he got here is making moves. Don't even know how to respond to that it's so far from realiry. The roster is completely different dude, how do you think it got that way? Gettleman has done a fabulous job addressing all the biggest needs, despite being hamstrung by the mess Reese left him with!!! I wasn’t referencing him not making any moves, I was specifically referring to cornerbacks and FG kicker. Also not thrilled with leaving Flowers, our weakest link, as a starter. Overall I think DG has done a decent job, no more and no less. I don’t care about Stewarts stats. When a team is paper thin at CB, OT and doesn’t have a good proven FG kicker then signing a short yardage RB is not a priority. I don’t even know what to say if you think Stewart is more important than a FG kicker which is arguably the most important position on the field. Did you happen to watch any games last year? Do know how critical FG’s are? Do you think with Stewart we’ll be able to score at will and never have to kick FG’s?
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 28, 2018 11:42:46 GMT -5
Stewart is a solid short yardage guy, he's an excellent blocking back, and he had five 100 yard games in just a complementary role! A kicker is not the priority that the running game was when DG took over. He's trying to score TD's, not another season of living and dying by the FG! As for these alleged "non moves".......All Gettleman has been doing since he got here is making moves. Don't even know how to respond to that it's so far from realiry. The roster is completely different dude, how do you think it got that way? Gettleman has done a fabulous job addressing all the biggest needs, despite being hamstrung by the mess Reese left him with!!! I wasn’t referencing him not making any moves, I was specifically referring to cornerbacks and FG kicker. Also not thrilled with leaving Flowers, our weakest link, as a starter. Overall I think DG has done a decent job, no more and no less. I don’t care about Stewarts stats. When a team is paper thin at CB, OT and doesn’t have a good proven FG kicker then signing a short yardage RB is not a priority. I don’t even know what to say if you think Stewart is more important than a FG kicker which is arguably the most important position on the field. Did you happen to watch any games last year? Do know how critical FG’s are? Do you think with Stewart we’ll be able to score at will and never have to kick FG’s? I find it strange that so many posters are so focused on the signing of a veteran RB for what is basically a one year deal. It’s relatively insignificant in the scheme of things. It’s not like we could have gotten a top flight OT or CB for the same money ....
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 12:10:31 GMT -5
I wasn’t referencing him not making any moves, I was specifically referring to cornerbacks and FG kicker. Also not thrilled with leaving Flowers, our weakest link, as a starter. Overall I think DG has done a decent job, no more and no less. I don’t care about Stewarts stats. When a team is paper thin at CB, OT and doesn’t have a good proven FG kicker then signing a short yardage RB is not a priority. I don’t even know what to say if you think Stewart is more important than a FG kicker which is arguably the most important position on the field. Did you happen to watch any games last year? Do know how critical FG’s are? Do you think with Stewart we’ll be able to score at will and never have to kick FG’s? I find it strange that so many posters are so focused on the signing of a veteran RB for what is basically a one year deal. It’s relatively insignificant in the scheme of things. It’s not like we could have gotten a top flight OT or CB for the same money .... I’m not going to pretend I know all the ins and outs of our salary cap, how we can structure or restructure contracts, etc and I don’t think anyone here really does but I find it hard to believe we couldn’t have used that money towards a better FG kicker or more specifically, Fleming. Fleming is significantly better than Flowers and not only would have shored up our O line but given us depth with Flowers as back up. He is also capable of playimg both tackle positions if Solder got hurt. The Cowgirls signed Fleming on a one year deal worth up 3.5 million but that includes incentives which is significantly less than Stewart and much more important IMO. If they want this offense and team to get motivated there’s no better way than to bench Flowers and put in a competent player. Think of how much easier Eli (and all us fans) would sleep at night And no, Fleming isn’t top flight but he is much better than Flowers or any of our back ups. We already had the weapons on offense to be highly successful without Stewart provided Eli had protection and the backfield had holes to run through. The weakest link on our entire offense is Flowers and we failed to address it. He has been haunting us for years and could do it again just so DG could get Stewart.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 28, 2018 12:24:44 GMT -5
I actually don’t think Fleming is a significant upgrade over Flowers.
But as I said, the decision to sign Stewart over Fleming is highly unlikely to have an impact on this season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 12:37:32 GMT -5
Giants need 3 RB. You can’t go into the season with just 2. Signing him was a necessity.
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 12:50:54 GMT -5
I actually don’t think Fleming is a significant upgrade over Flowers. But as I said, the decision to sign Stewart over Fleming is highly unlikely to have an impact on this season. Admittedly, I’mmnot a huge fan of PFF but they have Fleming rated quite a bit higher than Flowers. We can agree to disagree, I like Stewart and think he adds value just not as much value if that money had been spent else where.
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 12:55:29 GMT -5
Giants need 3 RB. You can’t go into the season with just 2. Signing him was a necessity. I don’t think anyone was running to snatch him up and would have taken the risk to secure another tackle first. Right now we have Solder and one of the worst tackles in the game starting, what does that say about our back ups? I would say securing a competent and adequate tackle was more of a necessity.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 28, 2018 13:26:33 GMT -5
I actually don’t think Fleming is a significant upgrade over Flowers. But as I said, the decision to sign Stewart over Fleming is highly unlikely to have an impact on this season. Admittedly, I’mmnot a huge fan of PFF but they have Fleming rated quite a bit higher than Flowers. We can agree to disagree, I like Stewart and think he adds value just not as much value if that money had been spent else where. Not an unfair point, but I just think it is not a significant one....
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Post by GameTime on Jul 28, 2018 14:22:25 GMT -5
Giants need 3 RB. You can’t go into the season with just 2. Signing him was a necessity. Signing a 3rd RB was a necessity..... but not necessarily Stewart. I don’t mind the signing but I was a bit surprised because of his age
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Post by GameTime on Jul 28, 2018 14:24:18 GMT -5
Giants need 3 RB. You can’t go into the season with just 2. Signing him was a necessity. I don’t think anyone was running to snatch him up and would have taken the risk to secure another tackle first. Right now we have Solder and one of the worst tackles in the game starting, what does that say about our back ups? I would say securing a competent and adequate tackle was more of a necessity. Flowers may not even start. I don’t have much confidence he will be any better on the right side. Maybe Wheeler or some rookie will get it done better
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 19:21:24 GMT -5
Admittedly, I’mmnot a huge fan of PFF but they have Fleming rated quite a bit higher than Flowers. We can agree to disagree, I like Stewart and think he adds value just not as much value if that money had been spent else where. Not an unfair point, but I just think it is not a significant one.... Let’s hope you’re right!
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Post by amarth on Jul 28, 2018 19:26:12 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone was running to snatch him up and would have taken the risk to secure another tackle first. Right now we have Solder and one of the worst tackles in the game starting, what does that say about our back ups? I would say securing a competent and adequate tackle was more of a necessity. Flowers may not even start. I don’t have much confidence he will be any better on the right side. Maybe Wheeler or some rookie will get it done better I hope not but it’s scary if he does because god forbid Solder or Flowers goes down and Flowers was the 2nd best we had....that wouldn’t be good. I’ve pretty much given up on Flowers after last season. I was honestly hopeful he would have turned it around but that obviously didn’t happen, not enough at least. Maybe the additional year for Wheeler will have made a significant difference in his play. We’ll know soon enough.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 28, 2018 19:43:48 GMT -5
Flowers may not even start. I don’t have much confidence he will be any better on the right side. Maybe Wheeler or some rookie will get it done better I hope not but it’s scary if he does because god forbid Solder or Flowers goes down and Flowers was the 2nd best we had....that wouldn’t be good. I’ve pretty much given up on Flowers after last season. I was honestly hopeful he would have turned it around but that obviously didn’t happen, not enough at least. Maybe the additional year for Wheeler will have made a significant difference in his play. We’ll know soon enough. I thought he would too but it seems to be he is technically flawed and may not be able to correct.
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Post by nmrt13 on Jul 29, 2018 8:36:33 GMT -5
...and no #3 pick next year. It begins. Giants cornerback Sam Beal who was chosen in the supplemental draft is out for the year with a shoulder injury per source. Big hit for this Giants defense. Definitely on board with taking a quality ascending CB like Sam Beal with a supplemental pick. But that decision would be based on a HEALTHY Sam Beal. Supposedly this shoulder problem was an issue while even in college. Not sure if the team doctors missed the ball on this or what. If Beal is out for the season this was a bum deal considering a valued 3rd round pick was given up.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2018 8:40:45 GMT -5
...and no #3 pick next year. It begins. Giants cornerback Sam Beal who was chosen in the supplemental draft is out for the year with a shoulder injury per source. Big hit for this Giants defense. Definitely on board with taking a quality ascending CB like Sam Beal with a supplemental pick. But that decision would be based on a HEALTHY Sam Beal. Supposedly this shoulder problem was an issue while even in college. Not sure if the team doctors missed the ball on this or what. If Beal is out for the season this was a bum deal considering a valued 3rd round pick was given up.
In yesterday’s presser with DG they said they knew about the injury. Of course they didn’t plan on a reinjury with surgery but that’s where they are at.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Jul 29, 2018 18:32:29 GMT -5
Stewart is a solid short yardage guy, he's an excellent blocking back, and he had five 100 yard games in just a complementary role! A kicker is not the priority that the running game was when DG took over. He's trying to score TD's, not another season of living and dying by the FG! As for these alleged "non moves".......All Gettleman has been doing since he got here is making moves. Don't even know how to respond to that it's so far from realiry. The roster is completely different dude, how do you think it got that way? Gettleman has done a fabulous job addressing all the biggest needs, despite being hamstrung by the mess Reese left him with!!! I wasn’t referencing him not making any moves, I was specifically referring to cornerbacks and FG kicker. Also not thrilled with leaving Flowers, our weakest link, as a starter. Overall I think DG has done a decent job, no more and no less. I don’t care about Stewarts stats. When a team is paper thin at CB, OT and doesn’t have a good proven FG kicker then signing a short yardage RB is not a priority. I don’t even know what to say if you think Stewart is more important than a FG kicker which is arguably the most important position on the field. Did you happen to watch any games last year? Do know how critical FG’s are? Do you think with Stewart we’ll be able to score at will and never have to kick FG’s? I watched every game last year, like I do every season, and I watched the lack of a running game have more of a negative impact than the missed FG’s! There’s a reason they say a team “settled” for the FG. How many more wins would a better kicking game have gotten them last year? I only mentioned the numbers Stewart put up, because Five 100 yard games in a complementary role is not insignificant, and he was a beast blocking and getting the hard 2 or 3 yards to move the chains or punch it in. He will certainly help to get the ball closer when he’s he’s called on to give the kicking game a better shot at making a FG than they gave Rosas last year. And you’re all worked up over no new kicker when training camp just started. Rosas could improve over last year, and if he doesn’t , then count on Gettleman to address it. But imho anyway, Stewart will be a great compliment to Barkley.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 29, 2018 19:01:29 GMT -5
I had a serious dislocation my senior year HS. Tried to get it better with therapy and no surgery, but it popped out over 40 times in the next year and a half. Would pop out if I skied for a rebound in hoops, or just stretched it straight up high reaching for something … would just slide out. Hurts like hell. So, I had surgery. That was 53 years ago and it hasn't popped out since then.
They tried to get his better without surgery and it didn't work. Surgery will make it good as new if he strengthens it gradually afterwards.... that's why a full year recovery. He should be fine next year.... and really... many projected him earlier than whatever our spent pick will be in the 3rd round. It will work out... patience, grasshopper.
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Post by Zimonami on Jul 29, 2018 19:09:08 GMT -5
Seriously, it could end up being a 3rd round steal next year. We just have to wait and see.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jul 29, 2018 19:15:00 GMT -5
I had a serious dislocation my senior year HS. Tried to get it better with therapy and no surgery, but it popped out over 40 times in the next year and a half. Would pop out if I skied for a rebound in hoops, or just stretched it straight up high reaching for something … would just slide out. Hurts like hell. So, I had surgery. That was 53 years ago and it hasn't popped out since then. They tried to get his better without surgery and it didn't work. Surgery will make it good as new if he strengthens it gradually afterwards.... that's why a full year recovery. He should be fine next year.... and really... many projected him earlier than whatever our spent pick will be in the 3rd round. It will work out... patience, grasshopper. Sage advice Zim.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Jul 29, 2018 20:05:07 GMT -5
I had a serious dislocation my senior year HS. Tried to get it better with therapy and no surgery, but it popped out over 40 times in the next year and a half. Would pop out if I skied for a rebound in hoops, or just stretched it straight up high reaching for something … would just slide out. Hurts like hell. So, I had surgery. That was 53 years ago and it hasn't popped out since then. They tried to get his better without surgery and it didn't work. Surgery will make it good as new if he strengthens it gradually afterwards.... that's why a full year recovery. He should be fine next year.... and really... many projected him earlier than whatever our spent pick will be in the 3rd round. It will work out... patience, grasshopper. +1 No further comment until I can take the stone from your palm.
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 29, 2018 20:16:43 GMT -5
I had a serious dislocation my senior year HS. Tried to get it better with therapy and no surgery, but it popped out over 40 times in the next year and a half. Would pop out if I skied for a rebound in hoops, or just stretched it straight up high reaching for something … would just slide out. Hurts like hell. So, I had surgery. That was 53 years ago and it hasn't popped out since then. They tried to get his better without surgery and it didn't work. Surgery will make it good as new if he strengthens it gradually afterwards.... that's why a full year recovery. He should be fine next year.... and really... many projected him earlier than whatever our spent pick will be in the 3rd round. It will work out... patience, grasshopper. Good post Zim. Hope you’re right!
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Post by Miked1958 on Jul 31, 2018 0:09:23 GMT -5
I had a serious dislocation my senior year HS. Tried to get it better with therapy and no surgery, but it popped out over 40 times in the next year and a half. Would pop out if I skied for a rebound in hoops, or just stretched it straight up high reaching for something … would just slide out. Hurts like hell. So, I had surgery. That was 53 years ago and it hasn't popped out since then. They tried to get his better without surgery and it didn't work. Surgery will make it good as new if he strengthens it gradually afterwards.... that's why a full year recovery. He should be fine next year.... and really... many projected him earlier than whatever our spent pick will be in the 3rd round. It will work out... patience, grasshopper. Good post Zim. Hope you’re right! I agree. Needed help this year but it will be nice to know will have him going into next year to help upgrade that secondary
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Post by Jomo on Aug 4, 2018 18:57:26 GMT -5
Wow, so it begins. Sam Beal has a shoulder injury that reporters are declaring him out for the 2018 season. linkNot sure what you mean by "wow, so it begins."
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Post by Merc on Aug 4, 2018 19:12:55 GMT -5
Wow, so it begins. Sam Beal has a shoulder injury that reporters are declaring him out for the 2018 season. linkNot sure what you mean by "wow, so it begins." I'm guessing the injury bug. I hope this is the only serious injury for the season.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 5, 2018 8:36:59 GMT -5
now that Beal is on IR it brings out the "OMG what are going to do now" with too many.
he is a 3rd supplemental. Do some of you folks really think he was going to be an immediate impact starter?? DB group with or without him is still in a state of flux....big time
maybe.......but prob not
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Post by Merc on Aug 5, 2018 11:27:04 GMT -5
It is a shame that he injured it again, however he now has a full year to recover/rehab.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 6, 2018 8:25:53 GMT -5
It is a shame that he injured it again, however he now has a full year to recover/rehab. if he re-injured already then it was inevitable. Would have happened anyway at some point.
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