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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 1, 2018 6:20:59 GMT -5
Im just hoping for the #15 ranked Oline in the NFL. If we get that, then all chips need to be put in. that would be a huge jump from the last few years, and should be attainable.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 1, 2018 10:17:01 GMT -5
I've said this since the Giants drafted SB, the days of defenses playing that 2 high safety crap to take away OBJ deep are over. I'm actually praying they do keep it in place in the hopes that the Giants still can't run the ball. That will change the instant SB gashes them for 35yds on an off tackle play. An opposing DC is gonna have to pick his poison & decide who is more important to contain, SB or OBJ & the passing game, he can't do both. If the Giants were starting a rookie QB, then it's a no brainer, you stack the box & make the rookie beat you with his arm, but we're talking a 14 yr vet with 2 SB MVPs here, a guy who will eat your D alive if he sees 7-8 in the box. I will be truly shocked this yr if the Giants don't put up 30pts at least 4-6x this yr. SB/Gallman/Stewart/OBJ/Shep/Engram/Ellison, way too many weapons on the O side of the ball this yr for a DC to contain in the same game. He might contain 3 of em, but the other 4 should have a big game.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 1, 2018 17:36:52 GMT -5
Tem we just have to stay healthy and the sky is the limit. Your absolutely right we'll have so many options. I would say that it's very.....VERY rare for an NFL team to "stay healthy" in today's NFL.
As we have seen, an NFL season is generally a war of attrition.
Well true but hoping for the best. Especially whatever you consider key people cause our depth leaves a lot to be desired in almost every position.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Aug 1, 2018 17:52:26 GMT -5
Eli is my concern even with the revamped oline. in the last playoff season (2016) he didnt seem that interested in upping his game and he didnt. last year was the same. in his defense, he did lose OBJ and that would put a cramp in any offense but the point is, he was bad.
maybe the addition of Barkley and the return of OBJ will motivate Eli to flashbacks of the 2007 and/or 2011 seasons. hopefully that happens. we'll began to know in a few weeks. Go Giants.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 1, 2018 17:54:14 GMT -5
Eli is my concern even with the revamped oline. in the last playoff season (2016) he didnt seem that interested in upping his game and he didnt. last year was the same. in his defense, he did lose OBJ and that would put a cramp in any offense but the point is, he was bad. maybe the addition of Barkley and the return of OBJ will motivate Eli to flashbacks of the 2007 and/or 2011 seasons. hopefully that happens. we'll began to know in a few weeks. Go Giants. That's interesting. I thought he was one of a very few players who actually showed up in the playoff game in '16. I agree last year was an abomination and while i'm hopeful I wouldn't say I'm optimistic that he can turn things around now at his age.
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Post by TEM on Aug 1, 2018 18:18:09 GMT -5
Eli is my concern even with the revamped oline. in the last playoff season (2016) he didnt seem that interested in upping his game and he didnt. last year was the same. in his defense, he did lose OBJ and that would put a cramp in any offense but the point is, he was bad. maybe the addition of Barkley and the return of OBJ will motivate Eli to flashbacks of the 2007 and/or 2011 seasons. hopefully that happens. we'll began to know in a few weeks. Go Giants. That's interesting. I thought he was one of a very few players who actually showed up in the playoff game in '16. I agree last year was an abomination and while i'm hopeful I wouldn't say I'm optimistic that he can turn things around now at his age. I agree he wanted to win that game . From what I remember Morehead gave him props for his effort. That in itself speaks volumes. He has to play increasingly better than last season.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Aug 1, 2018 19:22:26 GMT -5
Eli is my concern even with the revamped oline. in the last playoff season (2016) he didnt seem that interested in upping his game and he didnt. last year was the same. in his defense, he did lose OBJ and that would put a cramp in any offense but the point is, he was bad. maybe the addition of Barkley and the return of OBJ will motivate Eli to flashbacks of the 2007 and/or 2011 seasons. hopefully that happens. we'll began to know in a few weeks. Go Giants. That's interesting. I thought he was one of a very few players who actually showed up in the playoff game in '16. I agree last year was an abomination and while i'm hopeful I wouldn't say I'm optimistic that he can turn things around now at his age. if i recall properly Eli did play a serviceable playoff game against the Packers; however if he played at that level 85% of the time in 2016, they would have gone a lot further than the wild card. i said back in 16 on the old boards that Eli seemed content with his accomplishments, which are plenty but he is still playing and should be as invigorated as ever. he just doesnt seem as focused the last few years. as a Giants fan i only hope the entire offense can put fear in defenses. they certainly have the proven players to do it.
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Post by Merc on Aug 1, 2018 19:40:21 GMT -5
I've said this since the Giants drafted SB, the days of defenses playing that 2 high safety crap to take away OBJ deep are over. I'm actually praying they do keep it in place in the hopes that the Giants still can't run the ball. That will change the instant SB gashes them for 35yds on an off tackle play. An opposing DC is gonna have to pick his poison & decide who is more important to contain, SB or OBJ & the passing game, he can't do both. If the Giants were starting a rookie QB, then it's a no brainer, you stack the box & make the rookie beat you with his arm, but we're talking a 14 yr vet with 2 SB MVPs here, a guy who will eat your D alive if he sees 7-8 in the box. I will be truly shocked this yr if the Giants don't put up 30pts at least 4-6x this yr. SB/Gallman/Stewart/OBJ/Shep/Engram/Ellison, way too many weapons on the O side of the ball this yr for a DC to contain in the same game. He might contain 3 of em, but the other 4 should have a big game. If SB gets 35 yards, he is deep enough in the secondary that he is gone. He is going to be tough to stop once he breaks free.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 6:51:31 GMT -5
Attack Flowers by blowing up the run game on his side or getting in Eli's face on his side. That's what I would do. Destroy the play before it starts.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 2, 2018 7:50:14 GMT -5
Attack Flowers by blowing up the run game on his side or getting in Eli's face on his side. That's what I would do. Destroy the play before it starts. On paper it appears promising from Guard to Guard which has been an epic fail for years. I don't trust either tackle although Solder run blocks well and up and down in pass protection. Flowers? Who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 7:55:42 GMT -5
Attack Flowers by blowing up the run game on his side or getting in Eli's face on his side. That's what I would do. Destroy the play before it starts. On paper it appears promising from Guard to Guard which has been an epic fail for years. I don't trust either tackle although Solder run blocks well and up and down in pass protection. Flowers? Who knows? The O line is one hell of a mess Reese left this team with. DG was forced to overpay for a slightly above average LT. It's going to take maybe 2 more years to fix this line. Until then, defenses are just going to focus on the line and it's weakness. It will disrupt everything else on offense.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 2, 2018 10:33:38 GMT -5
I really don't see a D disrupting the OL unless they stack the box with 7-8 players in which Eli will then call an audible for a quick slant to OBJ for a TD.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 2, 2018 11:39:17 GMT -5
Attack Flowers by blowing up the run game on his side or getting in Eli's face on his side. That's what I would do. Destroy the play before it starts. That has been effective for at least the past two years. I'd do the same until proven wrong.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 2, 2018 11:54:49 GMT -5
Attack Flowers by blowing up the run game on his side or getting in Eli's face on his side. That's what I would do. Destroy the play before it starts. That has been effective for at least the past two years. I'd do the same until proven wrong. Seemed the past few years teams exploited the middle of the line and right side
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 11:59:17 GMT -5
That has been effective for at least the past two years. I'd do the same until proven wrong. Seemed the past few years teams exploited the middle of the line and right side Oh, you are correct. That entire line was suspect. Richburg was a mess as well. However, Flowers is the lone hold over, so any good defensive coordinator would be a fool not to exploit him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Aug 2, 2018 12:16:57 GMT -5
Seemed the past few years teams exploited the middle of the line and right side Oh, you are correct. That entire line was suspect. Richburg was a mess as well. However, Flowers is the lone hold over, so any good defensive coordinator would be a fool not to exploit him. Richburg really was the dissapointemnt,he really looked like he was going to be a 10 year solution there and then he completely regressed when Mac takes over.(probably more a symptom of the entire line put together without any regard of if the players skillsets compliment each other,ambiguous scheme and not being the kind of player that fits a Solari power style he was used to coaching elsewhere)
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Post by SG88 on Aug 2, 2018 12:32:48 GMT -5
I fell for it last year and got caught up in the hype about this offense being unstoppable going into the season. I am not getting my hopes up about the offense until I see them score more than 30 points in a game for a change. Then and only then will I start believing in it. The questions about Eli Manning and the oline still remain. I hope that OP is right.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 2, 2018 12:47:08 GMT -5
I fell for it last year and got caught up in the hype about this offense being unstoppable going into the season. I am not getting my hopes up about the offense until I see them score more than 30 points in a game for a change. Then and only then will I start believing in it. The questions about Eli Manning and the oline still remain. I hope that OP is right. Seems the hype the past few years is too focused on offensive points scored. I think if they can average, let's say 24 points a game on offense, be on the plus side of T.O.P. by a few minutes, and get turnovers and points here and there on defense... we're looking real good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 12:49:10 GMT -5
I fell for it last year and got caught up in the hype about this offense being unstoppable going into the season. I am not getting my hopes up about the offense until I see them score more than 30 points in a game for a change. Then and only then will I start believing in it. The questions about Eli Manning and the oline still remain. I hope that OP is right. I agree. I wasn't buying the hype last season, because I knew the O line was a huge problem. It's way too early to talk about how teams are going to game plan against this offense. First we need to see what this offense is going to look like.
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Aug 2, 2018 13:34:06 GMT -5
We've probably had some form of this thread in each of the last 8 or 9 seasons. Let's not get ahead of ourselves folks. Until the OL can prove that it can consistently provide a push in the run game and consistent protection against 4 man rushes, teams are still going to play a 2 deep coverage and dare the Giants to either have a consistent run game or protect long enough to stretch the two safeties.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 3, 2018 10:18:14 GMT -5
We've probably had some form of this thread in each of the last 8 or 9 seasons. Let's not get ahead of ourselves folks. Until the OL can prove that it can consistently provide a push in the run game and consistent protection against 4 man rushes, teams are still going to play a 2 deep coverage and dare the Giants to either have a consistent run game or protect long enough to stretch the two safeties. The oline and the team's ability to run are going to make or break this team. Those defenses will change when the Giants show and prove that they have a threat in their running game. The Giants haven't had a good oline or a running back that teams actually gameplan for in a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:20:48 GMT -5
I fell for it last year and got caught up in the hype about this offense being unstoppable going into the season. I am not getting my hopes up about the offense until I see them score more than 30 points in a game for a change. Then and only then will I start believing in it. The questions about Eli Manning and the oline still remain. I hope that OP is right. Seems the hype the past few years is too focused on offensive points scored. I think if they can average, let's say 24 points a game on offense, be on the plus side of T.O.P. by a few minutes, and get turnovers and points here and there on defense... we're looking real good. It's a good thing you're not asking for much!! lol GO GIANTS!!!
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