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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2019 19:12:14 GMT -5
1- My point was in response to you suggesting I have never been in that type of situation. AND....assuming that I haven't been in a physical altercation with women over my lifetime is the silly logic. Women are human and have flaws just like men....not to mention the few psychos I've dated over the years....including one who ran over me for talking to a girl I knew at in bar and once trying to light my apartment on fire with a make-up card she bought me because I broke up with her. THE POINT is.....I never, not once, raised a hand to any of them. There are different and better ways to handle a violent or out of control woman. I'll say this......and I heard it from a comedian....if you walk in and she is killing one of your kids......then it's probably ok to smack a bitch. This does not appear to be one of those times.
2- That's completely hypocritical. Innocent until proven guilty, except for........? You're missing the point with the rest of this. I am in favor of suspending him now. Therefore, your point about "not arresting people" is moot. I was, again, pointing out the hypocrisy of being ok with suspending him while at the same time saying we should wait to have an opinion on him.
Lastly.....dude is a punk. Cut him now.
1-You said you have never been in a situation where hitting a woman was the best course of action. How was I assuming you have never been in that situation when you said you weren't. I'm just suggesting that just because you have never found yourself in that situation does not mean that situation does not exist. 2-How is it hypocritical to think that a suspension from work while an accusation is investigated while not assuming guilt? This is exactly how the justice system works. You arrest somebody based on accusation and evidence. Then you have an investigation and court case to prove guilt. Seems perfectly reasonable situation to me. Would you prefer they determine he is guilty on site and cut him? While later learned that he did nothing wrong? That makes little sense. If you have already doled out the consequences of actions, why bother with an investigation to find out if those actions actually took place? I also am not saying to wait for an opinion, just wait to determine he is definitely guilty before passing judgment. I am of the opinion that he is a scumbag and should be cut and likely won't ever play in the league if these accusations are true. I'm just not certain if they are, since I have no connection with the people or events and have very little faith in the honesty of those reporting based on personal experience dealing with the sensational nature of what these news outlets choose to report. A friend was robbed and murdered. Within minutes of this discovery you had news people reporting on the scene about what happened and they ranged from auto erotic affixation, to a drug deal gone bad. Before any reporter had spoken to an officer or witness. The reality was more mundane. Someone broke into his hotel room, murdered him and stole his stuff. Horrible enough, but that doesn't get views or clicks. So, as of now, I take anything reported but these reporters with an enormous grain of salt. Oh and the stories were never corrected in the news, as by the time the facts were known it was old news and nobody cared. The guy who did it went to prison though, they expect him to make parole in 30 years...well 26 now. Working for me is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. I have a standard for behavior both at work and while away, and if your actions away from work are such that it would reflect negatively on me, then you have a problem. By the way, 50% of my renters are young women under 25...seems like having an employee accused of assaulting woman would be bad for business, wouldn't it? And you can argue how it shouldn't or it's not fair, or whatever...but the market has a funny way of not caring about those things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:14:40 GMT -5
1-You said you have never been in a situation where hitting a woman was the best course of action. How was I assuming you have never been in that situation when you said you weren't. I'm just suggesting that just because you have never found yourself in that situation does not mean that situation does not exist. 2-How is it hypocritical to think that a suspension from work while an accusation is investigated while not assuming guilt? This is exactly how the justice system works. You arrest somebody based on accusation and evidence. Then you have an investigation and court case to prove guilt. Seems perfectly reasonable situation to me. Would you prefer they determine he is guilty on site and cut him? While later learned that he did nothing wrong? That makes little sense. If you have already doled out the consequences of actions, why bother with an investigation to find out if those actions actually took place? I also am not saying to wait for an opinion, just wait to determine he is definitely guilty before passing judgment. I am of the opinion that he is a scumbag and should be cut and likely won't ever play in the league if these accusations are true. I'm just not certain if they are, since I have no connection with the people or events and have very little faith in the honesty of those reporting based on personal experience dealing with the sensational nature of what these news outlets choose to report. A friend was robbed and murdered. Within minutes of this discovery you had news people reporting on the scene about what happened and they ranged from auto erotic affixation, to a drug deal gone bad. Before any reporter had spoken to an officer or witness. The reality was more mundane. Someone broke into his hotel room, murdered him and stole his stuff. Horrible enough, but that doesn't get views or clicks. So, as of now, I take anything reported but these reporters with an enormous grain of salt. Oh and the stories were never corrected in the news, as by the time the facts were known it was old news and nobody cared. The guy who did it went to prison though, they expect him to make parole in 30 years...well 26 now. Working for me is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. I have a standard for behavior both at work and while away, and if your actions away from work are such that it would reflect negatively on me, then you have a problem. By the way, 50% of my renters are young women under 25...seems like having an employee accused of assaulting woman would be bad for business, wouldn't it? And you can argue how it shouldn't or it's not fair, or whatever...but the market has a funny way of not caring about those things. Funny that. So does the NFL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -5
it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " Seriously? Leaving was an option. true but not with your balls intact .
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2019 19:19:32 GMT -5
Working for me is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. I have a standard for behavior both at work and while away, and if your actions away from work are such that it would reflect negatively on me, then you have a problem. By the way, 50% of my renters are young women under 25...seems like having an employee accused of assaulting woman would be bad for business, wouldn't it? And you can argue how it shouldn't or it's not fair, or whatever...but the market has a funny way of not caring about those things. Funny that. So does the NFL. And for good reason.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jul 15, 2019 19:20:05 GMT -5
I agree, why waste time getting rid of a problem and at the very least a distraction. At least he's not taking snaps away from a player that has a chance of making the team.
This assault was pretty vicious. I would think he should go behind bars for awhile, even a short period of time. There should be consequences.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2019 19:20:22 GMT -5
Seriously? Leaving was an option. true but not with your balls intact . Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:20:58 GMT -5
Seriously? Leaving was an option. true but not with your balls intact . I know you're just shit stirring, but why is that a problem? You give a **** that some whack job thinks you're a coward for not hitting a crazy woman?
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Post by Nite on Jul 15, 2019 19:22:05 GMT -5
If you are in a scenario where you have to resort to violence against a women . The judgement you used to allowed that situation to transpire needs to be addressed. Where the issue lies. it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " People today get so angry over trivial things, including most road rage.. That dude is lucky she didn't have a gun, she would have shot him....I have a special antenna designed for the angry and crazy, it goes off when it gets just a whiff.. I have whackos give me the finger and yell at me at the top of their lungs because I didn't accelerate to the red light fast enough, or went the speed limit in the right lane on a divided highway or...(fill in the blank)..Usually I smile and wave at them, which pisses them off further.
Life in general is pretty good, why ppl are miserable and take their misery out on others is beyond me....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:23:40 GMT -5
true but not with your balls intact . Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right? yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:24:56 GMT -5
it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " People today get so angry over trivial things, including most road rage.. That dude is lucky she didn't have a gun, she would have shot him....I have a special antenna designed for the angry and crazy, it goes off when it gets just a whiff.. I have whackos give me the finger and yell at me at the top of their lungs because I didn't accelerate to the red light fast enough, or went the speed limit in the right lane on a divided highway or...(fill in the blank)..Usually I smile and wave at them, which pisses them off further.
Life in general is pretty good, why ppl are miserable and take their misery out on others is beyond me....
Agreed. People want to fight because you were going slower than the 15mph over the speed limit that they wanted to drive at. It's ridiculous what angers some people, but you see it every damn day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 19:26:43 GMT -5
Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right? yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. And he should. And so should she. Not sure why you're saying that. ANYONE acting like that should be locked up!
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Post by Nite on Jul 15, 2019 19:35:56 GMT -5
Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right? yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. I missed that part of the video.If she actually assaulted him he should have called 911. He might have done that and been filming her for evidence..But then again, leave before the incident gets ramped up to that point..There is no victory moral or otherwise when dealing with crazies...
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2019 19:40:30 GMT -5
yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him . he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. I missed that part of the video.If she actually assaulted him he should have called 911. He might have done that and been filming her for evidence..But then again, leave before the incident gets ramped up to that point..There is no victory moral or otherwise when dealing with crazies... You mean the entire thing...going back before he even started to record her...could have been avoided by him just leaving or using the phone to call police? Will wonders never cease.
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Post by Nite on Jul 15, 2019 19:49:02 GMT -5
I missed that part of the video.If she actually assaulted him he should have called 911. He might have done that and been filming her for evidence..But then again, leave before the incident gets ramped up to that point..There is no victory moral or otherwise when dealing with crazies... You mean the entire thing...going back before he even started to record her...could have been avoided by him just leaving or using the phone to call police? Will wonders never cease. You never know he might have called 911 and been waiting for them..Or he could have called and wanted to leave but she was blocking his path and he didn't want to hit her with his car...or said something bad about his momma (oh wait, wrong...uh...nevermind.) or she could have had her 'crew' waiting for him around the corner and he didn't want to aggravate the situation..
However filming was not a bad decision..If it goes to court he now have evidence. Not just he said, she said...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 20:31:33 GMT -5
You mean the entire thing...going back before he even started to record her...could have been avoided by him just leaving or using the phone to call police? Will wonders never cease. You never know he might have called 911 and been waiting for them..Or he could have called and wanted to leave but she was blocking his path and he didn't want to hit her with his car...or said something bad about his momma (oh wait, wrong...uh...nevermind.) or she could have had her 'crew' waiting for him around the corner and he didn't want to aggravate the situation..
However filming was not a bad decision..If it goes to court he now have evidence. Not just he said, she said...
Filming was the 2nd best option. There was nothing blocking him from leaving. Now, if there was an accident and he's waiting for police to show up, he did the absolute right thing. Film her acting like a mental patient and have her locked up and "evaluated". People like that are a menace to society.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 21:18:57 GMT -5
You never know he might have called 911 and been waiting for them..Or he could have called and wanted to leave but she was blocking his path and he didn't want to hit her with his car...or said something bad about his momma (oh wait, wrong...uh...nevermind.) or she could have had her 'crew' waiting for him around the corner and he didn't want to aggravate the situation..
However filming was not a bad decision..If it goes to court he now have evidence. Not just he said, she said...
Filming was the 2nd best option. There was nothing blocking him from leaving. Now, if there was an accident and he's waiting for police to show up, he did the absolute right thing. Film her acting like a mental patient and have her locked up and "evaluated". People like that are a menace to society. what are the cops going to do ? give her a privileged citation? , maybe probation ? but a good sock in the mouth , she will learn a valuable lesson. jk, wouldnt hit her but my sister would .
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 15, 2019 21:32:39 GMT -5
You never know he might have called 911 and been waiting for them..Or he could have called and wanted to leave but she was blocking his path and he didn't want to hit her with his car...or said something bad about his momma (oh wait, wrong...uh...nevermind.) or she could have had her 'crew' waiting for him around the corner and he didn't want to aggravate the situation..
However filming was not a bad decision..If it goes to court he now have evidence. Not just he said, she said...
Filming was the 2nd best option. There was nothing blocking him from leaving. Now, if there was an accident and he's waiting for police to show up, he did the absolute right thing. Film her acting like a mental patient and have her locked up and "evaluated". People like that are a menace to society. Regardless, there was no reason to engage her. Drive away if he could have. He could have rolled his window up and just sat if he was awaiting for the cops. Filmed her through a rolled up window if if he felt he must do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 21:46:06 GMT -5
Filming was the 2nd best option. There was nothing blocking him from leaving. Now, if there was an accident and he's waiting for police to show up, he did the absolute right thing. Film her acting like a mental patient and have her locked up and "evaluated". People like that are a menace to society. Regardless, there was no reason to engage her. Drive away if he could have. He could have rolled his window up and just sat if he was awaiting for the cops. Filmed her through a rolled up window if if he felt he must do so. you are right . thats the smartest thing to do.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 15, 2019 22:25:58 GMT -5
it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " Seriously? Leaving was an option. There seem to be a lot of videos out now of people being complete assholes, then taping other people's disproportionate reactions and claiming moral high ground. That's weak. I didn't see enough to know the whole story but if he was done with it, why didn't he just drive away?
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Post by TCHOF on Jul 16, 2019 4:42:14 GMT -5
Not sure what that means...he could have just left, right? yes after she punched his car , assaulted him (that part was not visible) took his glasses and emasculated him .  he probably did just leave , but im pointing out that if a man did those things to a woman he would be charged and many of you would say he should be fired. A women would also be charged for doing these things. To suggest that you would hit a woman in this situation rather than just drive away says all that I need to know about you.
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Post by TEM on Jul 16, 2019 6:31:00 GMT -5
If you are in a scenario where you have to resort to violence against a women . The judgement you used to allowed that situation to transpire needs to be addressed. Where the issue lies. wow Explain . If you think being in a toxic environment that may lead to an altercation is intelligent. Good luck with that.
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Post by TEM on Jul 16, 2019 6:33:13 GMT -5
If you are in a scenario where you have to resort to violence against a women . The judgement you used to allowed that situation to transpire needs to be addressed. Where the issue lies. it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " I will say it again . If you do not place yourself in the situation. This is exactly what is wrong with modern society . No one takes accountability for their part in altercations. There is always a excuse to justify ones personal behavior. It is always the other persons fault.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 16, 2019 6:48:11 GMT -5
they shouldnt jut cut him....they also need to see he gets fully prosecuted as well.
What POS and am I sure the women are PsOS as well. I also bet this isnt his first time hitting a woman.
So many a-holes out there.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 16, 2019 6:53:37 GMT -5
If you are in a scenario where you have to resort to violence against a women . The judgement you used to allowed that situation to transpire needs to be addressed. Where the issue lies. it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " she's an a-hole and he's a little effing twit. No reason to hit her though. If you would have hit her in that scenario then you are a first class asshole and hopefully she would have pummeled you.......with your balls intact of course.
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Post by Delicreep on Jul 16, 2019 7:58:03 GMT -5
Seriously? Leaving was an option. There seem to be a lot of videos out now of people being complete assholes, then taping other people's disproportionate reactions and claiming moral high ground. That's weak. I didn't see enough to know the whole story but if he was done with it, why didn't he just drive away? I always enjoy that. "I was minding my own business, poking this bear with a sharp stick, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I was attacked. I'm the real victim here".
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:07:11 GMT -5
1-You said you have never been in a situation where hitting a woman was the best course of action. How was I assuming you have never been in that situation when you said you weren't. I'm just suggesting that just because you have never found yourself in that situation does not mean that situation does not exist. 2-How is it hypocritical to think that a suspension from work while an accusation is investigated while not assuming guilt? This is exactly how the justice system works. You arrest somebody based on accusation and evidence. Then you have an investigation and court case to prove guilt. Seems perfectly reasonable situation to me. Would you prefer they determine he is guilty on site and cut him? While later learned that he did nothing wrong? That makes little sense. If you have already doled out the consequences of actions, why bother with an investigation to find out if those actions actually took place? I also am not saying to wait for an opinion, just wait to determine he is definitely guilty before passing judgment. I am of the opinion that he is a scumbag and should be cut and likely won't ever play in the league if these accusations are true. I'm just not certain if they are, since I have no connection with the people or events and have very little faith in the honesty of those reporting based on personal experience dealing with the sensational nature of what these news outlets choose to report. A friend was robbed and murdered. Within minutes of this discovery you had news people reporting on the scene about what happened and they ranged from auto erotic affixation, to a drug deal gone bad. Before any reporter had spoken to an officer or witness. The reality was more mundane. Someone broke into his hotel room, murdered him and stole his stuff. Horrible enough, but that doesn't get views or clicks. So, as of now, I take anything reported but these reporters with an enormous grain of salt. Oh and the stories were never corrected in the news, as by the time the facts were known it was old news and nobody cared. The guy who did it went to prison though, they expect him to make parole in 30 years...well 26 now. 1- There ISN'T a situation where the best course of action is violence against a woman. (except the kid killing thing I said before) My life experience has nothing to do with it at all. I'm saying there isn't one.....period.
2- Suspending a person before he's convicted is still punishment before he's convicted. How can one be ok and not the other? It's hypocritical. Not in just this situation, but any time it happens. IMO, you hit a woman, you're done. No of this PC suspension thing. No matter WHAT happened before.....he stepped on her neck then knocked her out. Goodbye. I don't really give a **** about the media hype on anything. You either believe the police reports or you don't. I guarantee you the Giants read police reports and determined his guilt.
1-This is ignorant. There are many women that are either physically stronger than an individual man. There are also many armed women. If either decides to attack you, you had better be prepared to defend yourself and sometimes defending yourself requires violence against said attacking woman. 2-I'll ask then, how is it ok to put a person in jail before s/he is convicted? Something that happens in daily life of a police department. If the Giants have already determined that he did it without investigation, why did they suspend him and not just release him? The media often is making reports based on zero knowledge of what is contained in the police report. The police report often is based on information by an accuser that may or may not be speaking honestly. If guilt or innocence can be determined by the police reporting on the scene without investigation, why do we bother with a justice system? People who are so quick to jump to judgment with absolute certainty without any actual knowledge of the situation are very scary people IMO. Who needs due process, until it happens to themselves; right?
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:07:59 GMT -5
it would take a lot not to sock this "lady " Seriously? Leaving was an option. agreed, that was a very easy situation to remove yourself from.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:09:11 GMT -5
Police reports says.....He stepped on her neck and punched her with a closed fist. I don't need to be there to know a punk when I hear about it. Perfect way to sum up your view. Terrifying, but quite accurate it seems. Believe everything you hear do you?
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:10:53 GMT -5
Sorry....but how do you KNOW this is what happened? I think it is safe to assume that you weren't there, so you are basing this on 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand reports. Do you really think you have enough information to determine what happened with any degree of certainty that leaves no room for an investigation and requires a final determination right now? Police reports.
What final determination have I made. Fire him? Please. He's lucky a few of my crew wasn't there when it happened. Getting fired would be the least of his worries
If they were, then maybe you would have some idea of what happened. Though likely still not an accurate picture. Ever read studies on the reliability of eye witnesses? Fascinating stuff really.
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Post by jmike on Jul 16, 2019 8:17:54 GMT -5
1-You said you have never been in a situation where hitting a woman was the best course of action. How was I assuming you have never been in that situation when you said you weren't. I'm just suggesting that just because you have never found yourself in that situation does not mean that situation does not exist. 2-How is it hypocritical to think that a suspension from work while an accusation is investigated while not assuming guilt? This is exactly how the justice system works. You arrest somebody based on accusation and evidence. Then you have an investigation and court case to prove guilt. Seems perfectly reasonable situation to me. Would you prefer they determine he is guilty on site and cut him? While later learned that he did nothing wrong? That makes little sense. If you have already doled out the consequences of actions, why bother with an investigation to find out if those actions actually took place? I also am not saying to wait for an opinion, just wait to determine he is definitely guilty before passing judgment. I am of the opinion that he is a scumbag and should be cut and likely won't ever play in the league if these accusations are true. I'm just not certain if they are, since I have no connection with the people or events and have very little faith in the honesty of those reporting based on personal experience dealing with the sensational nature of what these news outlets choose to report. A friend was robbed and murdered. Within minutes of this discovery you had news people reporting on the scene about what happened and they ranged from auto erotic affixation, to a drug deal gone bad. Before any reporter had spoken to an officer or witness. The reality was more mundane. Someone broke into his hotel room, murdered him and stole his stuff. Horrible enough, but that doesn't get views or clicks. So, as of now, I take anything reported but these reporters with an enormous grain of salt. Oh and the stories were never corrected in the news, as by the time the facts were known it was old news and nobody cared. The guy who did it went to prison though, they expect him to make parole in 30 years...well 26 now. Working for me is not a right guaranteed by the constitution. I have a standard for behavior both at work and while away, and if your actions away from work are such that it would reflect negatively on me, then you have a problem. By the way, 50% of my renters are young women under 25...seems like having an employee accused of assaulting woman would be bad for business, wouldn't it? And you can argue how it shouldn't or it's not fair, or whatever...but the market has a funny way of not caring about those things. No, there is no guarantee of employment and there is nothing wrong with the Giants cutting him based on the accusation. But would be kind of a crappy thing to do without at least looking into it. Let's say I was a renter of yours and one of your employees did work in my apartment and left. Nothing happened. But I decide I don't like him, and accuse him of assaulting me. Call the police. You'll fire him? Well within your rights to do so, and life isn't fair, but did you do the right thing by that employee who did nothing wrong? Should one half of our society have that much power to wield? Would you fire him if a male renter accused him of assault without any evidence as well, before any investigation? Or do you think it would be best to ask him to stay home from work for a few days while you look into it and determine what happened to the best of your abilities?
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