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Post by Jomo on Aug 7, 2018 16:50:32 GMT -5
It is premature to evaluate the new culture imo.
Schumer and his staff would have to be horrendous to have already revealed themselves in a negative way.
I am hopeful and I believe anything will be better than the last crew of pretenders we had here.
It will take some big moments in big games to see how the coaches react and how the team reacts to them.
It will also take some adversity to really know whether the culture is exceptional.
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2018 17:44:03 GMT -5
It is premature to evaluate the new culture imo. Schumer and his staff would have to be horrendous to have already revealed themselves in a negative way. I am hopeful and I believe anything will be better than the last crew of pretenders we had here. It will take some big moments in big games to see how the coaches react and how the team reacts to them. It will also take some adversity to really know whether the culture is exceptional. Hey Jomo.... Another year upon us! To your point about the culture I look at it like I want to see improvement. LB's who can cover and tackle. An Oline that has some consistency so that we have much more balance. A team that comes together and plays for one another and there coaches. That bonding of a team identity. I always mention physicality, attitude and execution. I think when you have those elements you've made a change in how the team feels about winning. Its the momentum that carries from game to game. There is continuity and little disconnect in what the team wants to accomplish. I hope this is where the Giants are headed.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 7, 2018 19:54:25 GMT -5
A lot of "new" so hard to determine the culture of the team at this point... so Thursday night should give us the first indication of what to expect. After last year's debacle, I suspect Giants will come out business like with a sense of purpose by each player...
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Post by Martin on Aug 7, 2018 20:48:42 GMT -5
A lot of "new" so hard to determine the culture of the team at this point... so Thursday night should give us the first indication of what to expect. After last year's debacle, I suspect Giants will come out business like with a sense of purpose by each player... will be interesting to see what kind of team are they with the "new elements". Should be fun to watch.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 7, 2018 20:49:57 GMT -5
McAdoo wasnt Imo. He appeared tough with the press but not with his players.
McAdoo went easy on some of these highly emotional players and then had that "brutally honest" meeting after the 49ers game and the hard went soft while the soft melted away. This was a soft team and any pressure McAdoo put on them, they crumbled.
I thought McAdoo recognized the team was trying yet with no OL and no Receivers there was no hope. He went after the defense b/c the effort wasn't there and we found Cro taking off his pads, Apple acting like a baby, Pierre Paul yaking it up like he didn't care, Jack Rabbit going bi-polar and Collins never shutting his mouth.
McAdoo may not have been as good a coach as the 11 wins indicated yet was no where as bad as the 3 win team. He was a very young coach who was dealt an impossible hand. No OL, no WR, no Running game and an owner who was in hiding, especially after endorsing the circus at QB and was conveniently not in the building when the message was sent.
Disagree. See my other post re camp this year vs last year.
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Post by TEM on Aug 8, 2018 5:36:59 GMT -5
Alwaysready is spot on.
Macadoo was not engaged in camp like I watched Shumer. Pat was intently watching his punters at one point in the practice,. From what I observed McAdoo could careless what was going on in camp. That same demeanor was witnessed in every game when he became his alter ego McMenue. His only skill was to have his face buried in it.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 8, 2018 6:36:12 GMT -5
It is premature to evaluate the new culture imo. Schumer and his staff would have to be horrendous to have already revealed themselves in a negative way. I am hopeful and I believe anything will be better than the last crew of pretenders we had here. It will take some big moments in big games to see how the coaches react and how the team reacts to them. It will also take some adversity to really know whether the culture is exceptional. This is a great point.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 8, 2018 8:55:44 GMT -5
McAdoo went easy on some of these highly emotional players and then had that "brutally honest" meeting after the 49ers game and the hard went soft while the soft melted away. This was a soft team and any pressure McAdoo put on them, they crumbled.
I thought McAdoo recognized the team was trying yet with no OL and no Receivers there was no hope. He went after the defense b/c the effort wasn't there and we found Cro taking off his pads, Apple acting like a baby, Pierre Paul yaking it up like he didn't care, Jack Rabbit going bi-polar and Collins never shutting his mouth.
McAdoo may not have been as good a coach as the 11 wins indicated yet was no where as bad as the 3 win team. He was a very young coach who was dealt an impossible hand. No OL, no WR, no Running game and an owner who was in hiding, especially after endorsing the circus at QB and was conveniently not in the building when the message was sent.
Disagree. See my other post re camp this year vs last year. Ty - I read your post and it's nice to read but most of my post doesn't pertain to camp. I recognize you see a difference between the camps yet most of my post pertains to the regular season. I don't believe Shumur or any coach could have won under those conditions last season.
As far as camp, I've posted it often. I believe there was a significant residual effect in that camp being the whole organization put that OBJ boat trip aside without really addressing it. OBJ's and the receivers no-show in that playoff game let the defense down. They came into camp with music blaring, OBJ dancing and the OL with no upgrades. The divide began then between offense and defense. Once all the skills went down and the OL couldn't block, the defense rebelled. That was an organizational failure and I believe the defensive players were the last to blame. They were just the last straw when they rebelled.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 8, 2018 9:00:55 GMT -5
So, you are pinning last years failure on a boat trip in January? It's one thing to argue its the reason we lost the playoff game, which is very debatable (i don't want to go there) but saying that the reason we couldnt win more than 4 game last year is because of the boat trip is preposterous.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 8, 2018 9:14:03 GMT -5
one more thought on this, then I am not going to comment on it anymore due to the argument's absurdity.... if the boat trip was the reason for last years debacle, then McAdoo is even more culpable than I realized. A leader of men would have been able to get his team to refocus on winning on Sundays regardless of whether upper management "addressed" or gave the directive to address the situation or not. Your argument implies that if Bilichick was the our coach, the result would have been similar. I respectfully disagree.
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 8, 2018 9:29:34 GMT -5
So, you are pinning last years failure on a boat trip in January? It's one thing to argue its the reason we lost the playoff game, which is very debatable (i don't want to go there) but saying that the reason we couldnt win more than 4 game last year is because of the boat trip is preposterous. You should give more of an effort to read the posts you're responding too.
- The first I posted about the season and you responded to it like I was posting about camp. - The 2nd I posted about camp and you responded like I was posting about the regular season
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Post by Nick6475 on Aug 8, 2018 10:29:07 GMT -5
It's pretty simple really...if the team is performing well and winning games the team culture and chemistry shine and the flaws and imperfections kinda fall away (NY Giants 2016). However when you have a season like the Giants had last year the culture and chemistry look like crap and everything gets exposed.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 8, 2018 10:52:23 GMT -5
So, you are pinning last years failure on a boat trip in January? It's one thing to argue its the reason we lost the playoff game, which is very debatable (i don't want to go there) but saying that the reason we couldnt win more than 4 game last year is because of the boat trip is preposterous. You should give more of an effort to read the posts you're responding too.
- The first I posted about the season and you responded to it like I was posting about camp. - The 2nd I posted about camp and you responded like I was posting about the regular season
I did read your post, which is precisely why I responded the way I did. You started your post by pointing to camp - "As far as camp, I've posted it often. I believe there was a significant residual effect in that camp being the whole organization put that OBJ boat trip aside without really addressing it. " And then some how you went from not addressing the boat trip to the fact that they didnt upgrade their OL.... "They came into camp with music blaring, OBJ dancing and the OL with no upgrades." and then you tried tying the two together by implying that the defense rebelled because they didnt upgrade the oline and because from a "culture standpoint" they didnt address the trip (the topic of the thread).... "The divide began then between offense and defense. Once all the skills went down and the OL couldn't block, the defense rebelled. That was an organizational failure and I believe the defensive players were the last to blame." and then you said that the defense was.... " just the last straw when they rebelled. " see how ridiculous your post was? dude it's still the A.M. lay off the booze. Read more: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/post/17816/quote/401?page=3#ixzz5NbOS136k
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Post by nysports98 on Aug 8, 2018 11:24:02 GMT -5
You should give more of an effort to read the posts you're responding too.
- The first I posted about the season and you responded to it like I was posting about camp. - The 2nd I posted about camp and you responded like I was posting about the regular season
I did read your post, which is precisely why I responded the way I did. You started your post by pointing to camp - "As far as camp, I've posted it often. I believe there was a significant residual effect in that camp being the whole organization put that OBJ boat trip aside without really addressing it. " And then some how you went from not addressing the boat trip to the fact that they didnt upgrade their OL.... "They came into camp with music blaring, OBJ dancing and the OL with no upgrades." and then you tried tying the two together by implying that the defense rebelled because they didnt upgrade the oline and because from a "culture standpoint" they didnt address the trip (the topic of the thread).... "The divide began then between offense and defense. Once all the skills went down and the OL couldn't block, the defense rebelled. That was an organizational failure and I believe the defensive players were the last to blame." and then you said that the defense was.... " just the last straw when they rebelled. " see how ridiculous your post was? dude it's still the A.M. lay off the booze. Read more: thegiantsboard.proboards.com/post/17816/quote/401?page=3#ixzz5NbOS136kExcuse me - I posted about last season and you chimed in about your thread about camp. I responded
"Ty - I read your post and it's nice to read but most of my post doesn't pertain to camp. I recognize you see a difference between the camps yet most of my post pertains to the regular season. I don't believe Shumur or any coach could have won under those conditions last season. "
I then mentioned camp and all but the last two sentences focus on camp yet it was the skill positions and OL which caused the organization failure, not camp. The start of camp has a residual effect is what I posted.
"As far as camp, I've posted it often. I believe there was a significant residual effect in that camp being the whole organization put that OBJ boat trip aside without really addressing it. OBJ's and the receivers no-show in that playoff game let the defense down. They came into camp with music blaring, OBJ dancing and the OL with no upgrades. The divide began then between offense and defense. Once all the skills went down and the OL couldn't block, the defense rebelled. That was an organizational failure and I believe the defensive players were the last to blame. They were just the last straw when they rebelled. "
Give a better effort to follow along rather than accuse me a drinking habit being your agenda is push people to your thread about attending camp regardless of messaging.
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Post by alwaysready126 on Aug 8, 2018 12:31:17 GMT -5
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