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Post by Kase1 on Aug 14, 2019 16:22:54 GMT -5
Didnt SQB say this on his own time??? Your employer may not allow you to protest on their time, but you're not an NFL employee.... As far as I know, LOL Kapernick had 1 or maybe 2 good years, but is a backup in the league. If he doesnt want to be a backup he wont get hired The discussion was about Kap and kneeling during the Anthem is on company time.Me being and NFL employee has nothing to do with it. I thought the whole comment about you not being able to protest on company time was your version of saying 'if i cant do it on company time, why can he?'. If i misinterpreted your statement then I am wrong. If they arent allowed to kneel during the anthem, they will find another way to protest. Its not like kneeling is the only way, LOL. The kneeling, however was suggested to Kap by former Green Beret Nate Boyer, who said "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security." 'I think that would be-- I think-- I think that would be really powerful,'" Boyer recalls. "And, you know, he asked me to do it with him. And I said, 'Look, I'll stand next to you. I gotta stand though. I gotta stand with my hand on my heart. That's just-- that's just what I do and where I'm from.'" www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/ |
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Post by Nite on Aug 14, 2019 16:26:27 GMT -5
When he says he wont stand for a country that is oppressing black people, he is in essence calling the people of what country racist. Same way folks got very angry at the orange guy for calling certain places S-holes. People took that very personally. Not sure why it's logical for one group to take it personally when one guy refers to their country as an S-Hole, but not for another group to get angry when their country is referred to as being racist. Who else do you think he's referring to then? Some other unknown group of people? I assure you he isn't referring to every citizen of this country but only those who think the oppression is ok. at least that's how i deceper it. And Heir agent orange calling other countries s holes and telling citizens that happen to be other ethnicities to Go back to where they came from. May not be "racist" it certainly is offensive. Suppose i said all our HC's should go back to ireland and eat potatoes there. , wouldn't that offend some? Like how you take snippets of political discourse taken out of context to support your point..Offense flows both ways, the 'citizens' he said that to were elected congressional representatives and it was in response to the disgusting, racist, hate filled comments they made. The S-hole country comment was him repeating what a representative (from an opposing party - important) said to him in a private meeting a couple years back. I am not excusing the comments just pointing out that the 'narrative' (ugh! hate that word) that prescribes one group as angels and the other as demons in a rather simplistic and childish manner |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 16:43:56 GMT -5
I assure you he isn't referring to every citizen of this country but only those who think the oppression is ok. at least that's how i deceper it. And Heir agent orange calling other countries s holes and telling citizens that happen to be other ethnicities to Go back to where they came from. May not be "racist" it certainly is offensive. Suppose i said all our HC's should go back to ireland and eat potatoes there. , wouldn't that offend some? Like how you take snippets of political discourse taken out of context to support your point..Offense flows both ways, the 'citizens' he said that to were elected congressional representatives and it was in response to the disgusting, racist, hate filled comments they made. The S-hole country comment was him repeating what a representative (from an opposing party - important) said to him in a private meeting a couple years back. I am not excusing the comments just pointing out that the 'narrative' (ugh! hate that word) that prescribes one group as angels and the other as demons in a rather simplistic and childish manner dont get me wrong its either side, but you cant in one hand say they made racist comments but trump statements were not. its either both or none. |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 16:54:42 GMT -5
The only people that have a problem with this are people that just want the players to "shut up and play". I actually agree with what Barkley is saying. Even if I didn't, I would not even care. The last time I checked, this is a free country. I didn't mind Nick Bosa's past tweets around draft time and don't mind this at all. I absolutely love Barkley saying that he doesn't care if he loses fans over it. Anyone that is whining about this needs to just get over themselves.
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 17:01:31 GMT -5
The statistics don't fit his stance. In what other countries do black people get choked to death for selling cigarettes while a white man gets handcuffed after killing more than 20 at a Walmart? Or tazed and killed for selling water on a hot day. People want to act like these issues don't exist. Those types IMO are delusional. The first step in problem solving is to admit that the problem exists. The people denying the problems are the biggest problem. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 17:01:32 GMT -5
The only people that have a problem with this are people that just want the players to "shut up and play". I actually agree with what Barkley is saying. Even if I didn't, I would not even care. The last time I checked, this is a free country. I didn't mind Nick Bosa's past tweets around draft time and don't mind this at all. I absolutely love Barkley saying that he doesn't care if he loses fans over it. Anyone that is whining about this needs to just get over themselves. Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:06:17 GMT -5
The only people that have a problem with this are people that just want the players to "shut up and play". I actually agree with what Barkley is saying. Even if I didn't, I would not even care. The last time I checked, this is a free country. I didn't mind Nick Bosa's past tweets around draft time and don't mind this at all. I absolutely love Barkley saying that he doesn't care if he loses fans over it. Anyone that is whining about this needs to just get over themselves. Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. its not like kap is kneeling in between plays, lol ppl let that ruin their enjoyment. shouldnt matter if he chooses to sit stand lay down before the game , who cares. |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 17:08:05 GMT -5
The only people that have a problem with this are people that just want the players to "shut up and play". I actually agree with what Barkley is saying. Even if I didn't, I would not even care. The last time I checked, this is a free country. I didn't mind Nick Bosa's past tweets around draft time and don't mind this at all. I absolutely love Barkley saying that he doesn't care if he loses fans over it. Anyone that is whining about this needs to just get over themselves. Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. He most likely won't IMO. Even if he did, I wouldn't care. Of course I am just speaking for myself. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 17:10:13 GMT -5
In what other countries do black people get choked to death for selling cigarettes while a white man gets handcuffed after killing more than 20 at a Walmart? Or tazed and killed for selling water on a hot day. People want to act like these issues don't exist. Those types IMO are delusional. The first step in problem solving is to admit that the problem exists. The people denying the problems are the biggest problem. My only issue is, while this stuff is terrible and did happen, you are only picking a handful of bad times it happened with nothing to compare it to. How many times have these issues happened vs times a police officer actually helped someone? Its obviously bad that this stuff happens, any sane person would agree with that, but to put in football terms, its kinda like watching a players bad lowlight reel and just thinking his entire career is that bad. You could put a Tom Brady bad lowlight reel together and think he was awful. But when you look at the grand picture in this country, most cops arent shooting unarmed black/brown people. Most people arent racist. Most people arent criminals. But the news wants you to believe otherwise. And now, cops are becoming the targets while America feeds off of rare viral videos of bad things happening. By kneeling and disrespecting cops by wearing pig socks, he is actually making things worse and splitting the country up more. Thats my 2 cents. Take it however you want. Politics are terrible and divisive. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 14, 2019 17:11:06 GMT -5
Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. its not like kap is kneeling in between plays, lol ppl let that ruin their enjoyment. shouldnt matter if he chooses to sit stand lay down before the game , who cares. No he wasnt, but the it fueled the media and masses into a frenzy. Its why Kaps career ended so abruptly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:16:36 GMT -5
Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. He most likely won't IMO. Even if he did, I wouldn't care. Of course I am just speaking for myself. I am not African American however what is the major problem with fans ? How dare he stand up for police brutality before i drink beer and watch this nfl game! eli could take a bow for the homeless, JJ could lay down for better education , Solder could skip for free healthcare before games , good for them. I just don't get How ppl got so upset they wrote letters to owners that thy would sell tickets and not go to games etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:19:14 GMT -5
Doenst bother me in the slightest. He can say and believe whatever he wants. Just do not make it an issue while I try to watch my Giants play football the way Kap did with the 49ers fans watching their games. It wont turn out good for Saquon. its not like kap is kneeling in between plays, lol ppl let that ruin their enjoyment. shouldnt matter if he chooses to sit stand lay down before the game , who cares. lol I know don’t let Eli having a good season ruin your enjoyment. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:21:05 GMT -5
its not like kap is kneeling in between plays, lol ppl let that ruin their enjoyment. shouldnt matter if he chooses to sit stand lay down before the game , who cares. lol I know don’t let Eli having a good season ruin your enjoyment. It would ruin some enjoyment on this board because his fan base are sometimes annoying. However I would welcome it as a fan of the team. i dont watch games and say i hope eli throws a pick or a 3 yard pass on 3rd and long. |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 17:33:02 GMT -5
Or tazed and killed for selling water on a hot day. People want to act like these issues don't exist. Those types IMO are delusional. The first step in problem solving is to admit that the problem exists. The people denying the problems are the biggest problem. My only issue is, while this stuff is terrible and did happen, you are only picking a handful of bad times it happened with nothing to compare it to. How many times have these issues happened vs times a police officer actually helped someone? Its obviously bad that this stuff happens, any sane person would agree with that, but to put in football terms, its kinda like watching a players bad lowlight reel and just thinking his entire career is that bad. You could put a Tom Brady bad lowlight reel together and think he was awful. But when you look at the grand picture in this country, most cops arent shooting unarmed black/brown people. Most people arent racist. Most people arent criminals. But the news wants you to believe otherwise. And now, cops are becoming the targets while America feeds off of rare viral videos of bad things happening. By kneeling and disrespecting cops by wearing pig socks, he is actually making things worse and splitting the country up more. Thats my 2 cents. Take it however you want. Politics are terrible and divisive. I agree with the last thing that you said. Like I said, it all comes down to acknowledging the problem and then aggressively solving it TOGETHER. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 17:51:25 GMT -5
If a good kid like Barkley stands behind Kap , maybe some should rethink their feelings toward the subject.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 14, 2019 17:56:33 GMT -5
You forgot that he's not that good of a QB. Its irrelevant. Look at Odell. GREAT player but the Giant FO believed he wasnt worth the head ache. Fortunately the Browns (and Im sure a few other teams) thought he was. Same thing with Antonio Brown and the Steelers. If he was as talented a QB as OBJ is as a WR someone would have signed him. |
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Post by Speedman on Aug 14, 2019 18:04:57 GMT -5
Great let them speak out on there own time. My employer will not allow me to protest anything on their time .Kap is not a good QB and has been out of the game now 3 years .He's done. That is not true nor legal. You're here on your companies time (I assume), expressing your opinions and I don't think you'll be receiving a pink slip. Saying Kap isn't a good QB is a cop out. I can name you worse QB's in the league. Why is Nate Peterman on a roster? Why is Geno Smith on a roster? Is Alex tanny and Kyle Lauletta better than Kap? You'd have a hard time proving that and the fact that some of you make these blanket statements about his skill set without seeing him play is outrageous. Chad Kelly break into someones house, gets into fights and he's still on a team. Baker Mayfield runs from cops on camera and he's still on a team. Guys knock their girlfriends out and they are still on teams, but kap doesn't get a shot for kneeling.... Lord this country is F---D. I really want the players to pool their resources and leave the league all together to form their own league. Have you guys cheering for a bunch of bums. Some people only care about minorities when it comes to their sports team, but once the game is over, y'all can care less about the players or their communities. I think the players need to stop making money for everyone else and start their own league. Let the race trolls go watch what's left. Lots of luck with the players running their own league. |
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Post by Kruunch on Aug 14, 2019 18:07:36 GMT -5
Its irrelevant. Look at Odell. GREAT player but the Giant FO believed he wasnt worth the head ache. Fortunately the Browns (and Im sure a few other teams) thought he was. Same thing with Antonio Brown and the Steelers. If he was as talented a QB as OBJ is as a WR someone would have signed him. Kaep is Robert Griffin III with a ton of baggage. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 18:17:44 GMT -5
I find all this talk about what a great guy Barkley is to be a little puzzling. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but he is supposedly living with a woman not his wife, and they have a child out of wedlock. If those statements are true, then he has serious moral flaws, and he is not really such a great guy. After reading this I have to agree and have burnt my Saquan Jersey. Shame. Shame Shame ( Cersei’s Voice) |
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 14, 2019 18:21:13 GMT -5
He most likely won't IMO. Even if he did, I wouldn't care. Of course I am just speaking for myself. I am not African American however what is the major problem with fans ? How dare he stand up for police brutality before i drink beer and watch this nfl game! eli could take a bow for the homeless, JJ could lay down for better education , Solder could skip for free healthcare before games , good for them. I just don't get How ppl got so upset they wrote letters to owners that thy would sell tickets and not go to games etc. You see how none of those things is pointing directly at some people and saying, "you are doing something evil", right? And that those people have friends and family who may not be happy to spend their free time hearing how the people they lover are doing something evil. My brother-in-law is a cop...you think he wants to go to a game and be called out? You think I want to take him to a game? |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 19:19:18 GMT -5
Its irrelevant. Look at Odell. GREAT player but the Giant FO believed he wasnt worth the head ache. Fortunately the Browns (and Im sure a few other teams) thought he was. Same thing with Antonio Brown and the Steelers. If he was as talented a QB as OBJ is as a WR someone would have signed him. I agree. Yeah, there are way worse QBs than him that keep on finding work (Nathan Peterman for example). However, he does have a lot of baggage (it is baggage and I did and still continue to believe in the premise of his protests) and his skillset just isn't worth it to all of the NFL teams. |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 19:21:39 GMT -5
I find all this talk about what a great guy Barkley is to be a little puzzling. Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but he is supposedly living with a woman not his wife, and they have a child out of wedlock. If those statements are true, then he has serious moral flaws, and he is not really such a great guy. After reading this I have to agree and have burnt my Saquan Jersey. Shame. Shame Shame ( Cersei’s Voice) And he doesn't give a shit. You should have just given it to someone that wants it. Might as well take a 100 dollar bill and torch it. |
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Post by SG88 on Aug 14, 2019 19:35:31 GMT -5
Great let them speak out on there own time. My employer will not allow me to protest anything on their time .Kap is not a good QB and has been out of the game now 3 years .He's done. br] Some people only care about minorities when it comes to their sports team, but once the game is over, y'all can care less about the players or their communities. I agree with this 100%. There are a shitload of sports fans that feel this way and I am sure that some of them even post on these forums. Those are the types that refuse to acknowledge the issues that are going on. Racism is a very divisive topic and part of this country's DNA. IMO, the division starts the day you are born when you are labeled a certain race or ethnicity on your birth certificate. Instead of that, it should just say "American", which is something that we should all be proud to say. The sad thing about politics is that we all really want the same thing. People just want it accomplished their way. I'm tired of this left vs right bullshit. That is why I don't claim either side. I have voted for both in the past and will in the future. Sorry for rambling....... |
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 14, 2019 19:37:03 GMT -5
The problem with Barkley getting himself involved in the Kap issue is that it becomes controversial. Barkley plays in NY where the media eats this stuff up. The result is now it becomes a distraction for him, for the coaching staff, and for the team.
And for him to say he doesn't care if he loses or upsets fans by speaking his mind is really dumb since fans buying tickets and watching him on TV pay his salary.
If he's smart he will cool it. We'll see how smart he really is.
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Post by desertash on Aug 14, 2019 19:48:53 GMT -5
If a good kid like Barkley stands behind Kap , maybe some should rethink their feelings toward the subject. He didn't exactly condone the entire thing, just that he endorsed Kap continuing to work to get back. Vastly different. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:51:07 GMT -5
I am not African American however what is the major problem with fans ? How dare he stand up for police brutality before i drink beer and watch this nfl game! eli could take a bow for the homeless, JJ could lay down for better education , Solder could skip for free healthcare before games , good for them. I just don't get How ppl got so upset they wrote letters to owners that thy would sell tickets and not go to games etc. You see how none of those things is pointing directly at some people and saying, "you are doing something evil", right? And that those people have friends and family who may not be happy to spend their free time hearing how the people they lover are doing something evil. My brother-in-law is a cop...you think he wants to go to a game and be called out? You think I want to take him to a game? My god father is a cop and my son is a cadet. What makes ppl think being against brutality is hating all cops? Why would it make him upset to see a few players kneeling against it. If he is a good cop he shouldnt mind, cops are ppl like us , some do good things and some bad. |
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Post by desertash on Aug 14, 2019 19:55:09 GMT -5
You see how none of those things is pointing directly at some people and saying, "you are doing something evil", right? And that those people have friends and family who may not be happy to spend their free time hearing how the people they lover are doing something evil. My brother-in-law is a cop...you think he wants to go to a game and be called out? You think I want to take him to a game? My god father is a cop and my son is a cadet. What makes ppl think being against brutality is hating all cops? Why would it make him upset to see a few players kneeling against it. If he is a good cop he shouldnt mind, cops are ppl like us , some do good things and some bad. the socks were a general insult to the profession |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:57:54 GMT -5
If a good kid like Barkley stands behind Kap , maybe some should rethink their feelings toward the subject. He didn't exactly condone the entire thing, just that he endorsed Kap continuing to work to get back. Vastly different. well he didnt disagree either. no one probably agrees with anyone 100 percent as we see on this board. But what he does say is that kap can play and the collusion he doesnt like. Barkley retweeted a video of Kaepernick working out on Aug. 7. The video noted Kaepernick has been "denied work for 889 days," as he continues his stance against racial injustice and police brutality. “I’m not afraid to speak my mind,” Barkley told Leonard. “If a fan wants to not be a fan of me because I retweet a thing for Colin Kaepernick, I don’t care. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 19:59:05 GMT -5
My god father is a cop and my son is a cadet. What makes ppl think being against brutality is hating all cops? Why would it make him upset to see a few players kneeling against it. If he is a good cop he shouldnt mind, cops are ppl like us , some do good things and some bad. the socks were a general insult to the profession that part I agree, its offensive to all cops. I dont like that. Because many are very good people and do their jobs well. |
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 14, 2019 20:18:24 GMT -5
You see how none of those things is pointing directly at some people and saying, "you are doing something evil", right? And that those people have friends and family who may not be happy to spend their free time hearing how the people they lover are doing something evil. My brother-in-law is a cop...you think he wants to go to a game and be called out? You think I want to take him to a game? My god father is a cop and my son is a cadet. What makes ppl think being against brutality is hating all cops? Why would it make him upset to see a few players kneeling against it. If he is a good cop he shouldnt mind, cops are ppl like us , some do good things and some bad. I can answer that...never, not once, have I ever heard this is about "some cops and that some or most cops are good". It's about a racist police department and it's racist members...he's one of those members, and he is being lumped in with the few cops that are racist. If you think it's enjoyable and relaxing to go somewhere and have people protest your job as being racist...good for you. |
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