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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 10, 2018 7:38:07 GMT -5
The Browns will have to figure out who their starting quarterback will be this year, Tyrod Taylor or Baker Mayfield. Both played well Thursday night in the Browns’ 20-10 win over the Giants at MetLife Stadium in the preseason opener for both teams. Good for the Browns. Not so good for the Giants.
Taylor and Mayfield both led the Browns to first-half touchdowns, which pleased the Cleveland coaching staff but proved the Giants still have work to do on defense before the Sept. 9 opener against Jacksonville.
With all the attention on rookie running back Saquon Barkley and the Giants’ revamped offense, the defense has gotten a virtual pass during training camp despite coming off a season where the unit ranked second to last in the NFL, allowing 373 yards per game.
The one-game suspension of Janoris “Jackrabbit” Jenkins, the regression of Eli Apple, and the infighting between teammates was all part of the defense’s shortcomings last year. This was their chance to start fresh under new defensive coordinator James Bettcher and put some positive plays on film.
Saquon Barkley breaks a big run in first carry as a Giant
Instead, Taylor and Mayfield offered a sobering reminder that if the Giants don’t develop a dominant defense this year, it may not matter how much Barkley brings to the offense.
“I think we can have one of the top defenses in the league,” linebacker Alec Ogletree insisted.
Perhaps, but it’s still a work in progress.
Barkley ran for 39 yards the first time he touched the ball and helped the Giants to a 3-0 lead. That thrilled the home crowd. But after an exchange of possessions, Taylor took the Browns 66 yards on four plays for the first touchdown of the game. A 21-yard pass to a wide-open Rashard Higgins was followed by a 36-yard touchdown pass from Taylor to tight end David Njoku, who was open behind the Giants linebackers.
It was a disappointing series for the first-team defense and exposed two problems the Giants suffered from last year — the inability to pressure the opposing quarterback in key situations and keeping tight ends out of the end zone.
Mayfield the shredded the home team’s No. 2 defense. In his second series at quarterback, Mayfield showed glimpses why he was the No. 1-overall pick. He led the Browns on a 14-play, 72-yard drive that ended with Mayfield throwing a tight 10-yard TD pass to Njoku. The two-point conversion failed.
Besides not figuring out how to cover Njoku, the Giants allowed Mayfield to a convert on third-and-18 with a 21-yard completion to wide receiver C.J. Board. Mayfield also kept the drive alive by scrambling for first downs on third-and-6 and fourth-and-2. By halftime, the Browns had out-gained the Giants in total yardage 208 to 141 with Taylor and Mayfield combining for 9-of-16 for 169 yards and two touchdowns. By comparison, Eli Manning and Davis Webb completed 12-of-27 for 96 yards and no scores.
Mayfield offered an exclamation point by adding a 54-yard touchdown pass to Antonio Callaway in the third quarter for a 20-3 lead. Afterward, the Giants tried to put a positive spin on the evening, pointing to a run defense that allowed just 50 yards on 33 carries.
“There were stretches that were positive,” Giants head coach Pat Shurmur said. “I thought our run defense was good.”
The pass defense wasn’t so good. Mayfield completed 11-of-20 for 212 yards and two scores, while the Browns as a team completed 18-of-29 for 333 yards and three TDs.
“I thought we were tight in coverage, but at times we didn’t make enough plays,” Shurmur said.
Mayfield made enough plays to impress in his NFL debut. Among those confident he will succeed in the NFL is Sterling Shepard, the Giants wide receiver who played one year with Mayfield at Oklahoma in 2015. Shepard was a senior. Mayfield was the sophomore newcomer who won the starting job in camp.
“He’s a great competitor,” Shepard said. “I don’t see anything that’s going to hold that guy back.”
Especially when he is playing against the Giants defense.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 10, 2018 8:36:01 GMT -5
This team had a long way to go,I wasn't expecting them to be a contender you can't fix everything in one year they at least ran the ball and stopped the run, and theQBs seemed to have more then 2 seconds to throw improvement is what I saw they ran for 5.8 yards a carry ,on the other hand if Webb doesn't get right they will have to sign a vet back up he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, the secondary is what it is Darian Thompson looked lost on Enjokues second TD,they had a 5 year span where anything that could go wrong in the draft for them did go wrong your not fixing that in one offseason.
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Post by TEM on Aug 10, 2018 9:11:59 GMT -5
Did you really think a entirely new way to play Defense was going to click immediately?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 9:54:24 GMT -5
I'm not too unhappy, almost made it through the whole game without falling asleep. plus this isn't going to be a steak and potato type team this year, maybe more like fried bologna and pork n beans, it ul do for now!
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Post by Waybackfan on Aug 10, 2018 12:01:04 GMT -5
These games are meaningless.
Teams go undefeated in preseason and then 2-14 and vice-versa.
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 10, 2018 12:40:23 GMT -5
pass defense looked terrible but....FWIW
1. three guys who will probably make the roster. Gay, Riley and Deayon did not play.
2. shurmur said he wanted to say in base defense all night. Not sure if they did or not.
just some points to possibly consider
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 10, 2018 19:12:49 GMT -5
2007 defense gave up 80 pts in 1st 2 games, I bet everyone thought we were gonna have the worst D in the NFL that yr. How'd that turn out? After the 1st 2 games, Giants D gave up an avg of 19.3 ppg the rest of the regular season & 16.2 ppg in the 4 playoff games. Little too early to be claiming we're gonna have a bad D this yr based on a few series of the 1st exhibition game of the yr. It was Spags 1st yr as our DC in 07' too. Sometimes it takes a few games as a new defensive unit to jell.
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Post by Merc on Aug 10, 2018 19:21:49 GMT -5
Most of the game is about seeing what the bubble players can do. The starting D will get it together.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 10, 2018 23:36:35 GMT -5
2007 defense gave up 80 pts in 1st 2 games, I bet everyone thought we were gonna have the worst D in the NFL that yr. How'd that turn out? After the 1st 2 games, Giants D gave up an avg of 19.3 ppg the rest of the regular season & 16.2 ppg in the 4 playoff games. Little too early to be claiming we're gonna have a bad D this yr based on a few series of the 1st exhibition game of the yr. It was Spags 1st yr as our DC in 07' too. Sometimes it takes a few games as a new defensive unit to jell. Yep. And they gave up 17 more to the Skins in Washington the 3rd game and we're down 17-0 at the half. So that was 97 points given up in 2.5 Games. Compare that to the D you saw vs Brady in the SB. By the way I don't know what was said in that locker room at half time but the came back and won that game in OT to start a string of winning 10 Road games in a row I'll hold out hope for this 2018 defense
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 11, 2018 0:01:43 GMT -5
I'm not too unhappy, almost made it through the whole game without falling asleep. plus this isn't going to be a steak and potato type team this year, maybe more like fried bologna and pork n beans, it ul do for now! Interesting analogy...lol
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 11, 2018 6:27:19 GMT -5
2007 defense gave up 80 pts in 1st 2 games, I bet everyone thought we were gonna have the worst D in the NFL that yr. How'd that turn out? After the 1st 2 games, Giants D gave up an avg of 19.3 ppg the rest of the regular season & 16.2 ppg in the 4 playoff games. Little too early to be claiming we're gonna have a bad D this yr based on a few series of the 1st exhibition game of the yr. It was Spags 1st yr as our DC in 07' too. Sometimes it takes a few games as a new defensive unit to jell. Yep. And they gave up 17 more to the Skins in Washington the 3rd game and we're down 17-0 at the half. So that was 97 points given up in 2.5 Games. Compare that to the D you saw vs Brady in the SB. By the way I don't know what was said in that locker room at half time but the came back and won that game in OT to start a string of winning 10 Road games in a row I'll hold out hope for this 2018 defense that was one unbelievable turn-around. Going into the half for that Redskins game, I was thinking the season may be over!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 6:54:04 GMT -5
The secondary is bad on paper and will likely be bad all year. It was bad last year when all of them basically mutinied the HC.
Gettleman put his chips on Eli Apple and it’s going to bite him in the ass. Especially spending the money on Stewart instead of Cockrell. DRC would also have been wise to bring back as depth, though I understand moving on from him.
The CBs are flat out a bad unit unless/until Eli Apple can develop into a legitimate starter. Otherwise QBs are going to have him and whoever the nickel DB is to pick on all game long.
This D will improve vs the run, which is much needed (they were horrible last year which many people forget since Harrison is put on a pedestal), but TEs (who you need a DB to cover with in today’s NFL) will rip this D up the seam and the great receivers of this league are going to undress Apple.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 8:53:00 GMT -5
I'm not too unhappy, almost made it through the whole game without falling asleep. plus this isn't going to be a steak and potato type team this year, maybe more like fried bologna and pork n beans, it ul do for now! Interesting analogy...lol I try not to expect too much, that way it's nice if we have a good year.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Aug 11, 2018 8:59:27 GMT -5
The secondary is bad on paper and will likely be bad all year. It was bad last year when all of them basically mutinied the HC. Gettleman put his chips on Eli Apple and it’s going to bite him in the ass. Especially spending the money on Stewart instead of Cockrell. DRC would also have been wise to bring back as depth, though I understand moving on from him. The CBs are flat out a bad unit unless/until Eli Apple can develop into a legitimate starter. Otherwise QBs are going to have him and whoever the nickel DB is to pick on all game long. This D will improve vs the run, which is much needed (they were horrible last year which many people forget since Harrison is put on a pedestal), but TEs (who you need a DB to cover with in today’s NFL) will rip this D up the seam and the great receivers of this league are going to undress Apple. I agree. The only silver lining is that Cockrell broke his leg. I mean, that's not cool for him and all, but what if he stayed and was now on IR? Apple better get it together. I hope some of these other camp guys can step up also.
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Post by EliQB10 on Aug 11, 2018 9:01:34 GMT -5
Interesting analogy...lol I try not to expect too much, that way it's nice if we have a good year. Good idea
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 11, 2018 11:00:51 GMT -5
This might be the yr where the O just has to help out the D by trying to pile on the pts & give the D as much time on the sidelines. That's where the run game with SB will play a huge role in winning the TOP & keeping our D fresh for the 4th qt. With this much talent on the O side of the ball, I'll be shocked to see this O go 3 & out more than 3-4x a game. Last yr they were going 3 & out 8+ times a game. You can't do that to your D & expect them to not be gassed late in the game.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 11, 2018 11:13:28 GMT -5
The Browns will have to figure out who their starting quarterback will be this year, Tyrod Taylor or Baker Mayfield. Both played well Thursday night in the Browns’ 20-10 win over the Giants at MetLife Stadium in the preseason opener for both teams. Good for the Browns. Not so good for the Giants. Taylor and Mayfield both led the Browns to first-half touchdowns, which pleased the Cleveland coaching staff but proved the Giants still have work to do on defense before the Sept. 9 opener against Jacksonville. With all the attention on rookie running back Saquon Barkley and the Giants’ revamped offense, the defense has gotten a virtual pass during training camp despite coming off a season where the unit ranked second to last in the NFL, allowing 373 yards per game. The one-game suspension of Janoris “Jackrabbit” Jenkins, the regression of Eli Apple, and the infighting between teammates was all part of the defense’s shortcomings last year. This was their chance to start fresh under new defensive coordinator James Bettcher and put some positive plays on film. Saquon Barkley breaks a big run in first carry as a Giant Instead, Taylor and Mayfield offered a sobering reminder that if the Giants don’t develop a dominant defense this year, it may not matter how much Barkley brings to the offense. “I think we can have one of the top defenses in the league,” linebacker Alec Ogletree insisted. Perhaps, but it’s still a work in progress. Barkley ran for 39 yards the first time he touched the ball and helped the Giants to a 3-0 lead. That thrilled the home crowd. But after an exchange of possessions, Taylor took the Browns 66 yards on four plays for the first touchdown of the game. A 21-yard pass to a wide-open Rashard Higgins was followed by a 36-yard touchdown pass from Taylor to tight end David Njoku, who was open behind the Giants linebackers. It was a disappointing series for the first-team defense and exposed two problems the Giants suffered from last year — the inability to pressure the opposing quarterback in key situations and keeping tight ends out of the end zone. Mayfield the shredded the home team’s No. 2 defense. In his second series at quarterback, Mayfield showed glimpses why he was the No. 1-overall pick. He led the Browns on a 14-play, 72-yard drive that ended with Mayfield throwing a tight 10-yard TD pass to Njoku. The two-point conversion failed. Besides not figuring out how to cover Njoku, the Giants allowed Mayfield to a convert on third-and-18 with a 21-yard completion to wide receiver C.J. Board. Mayfield also kept the drive alive by scrambling for first downs on third-and-6 and fourth-and-2. By halftime, the Browns had out-gained the Giants in total yardage 208 to 141 with Taylor and Mayfield combining for 9-of-16 for 169 yards and two touchdowns. By comparison, Eli Manning and Davis Webb completed 12-of-27 for 96 yards and no scores. Mayfield offered an exclamation point by adding a 54-yard touchdown pass to Antonio Callaway in the third quarter for a 20-3 lead. Afterward, the Giants tried to put a positive spin on the evening, pointing to a run defense that allowed just 50 yards on 33 carries. “There were stretches that were positive,” Giants head coach Pat Shurmur said. “I thought our run defense was good.” The pass defense wasn’t so good. Mayfield completed 11-of-20 for 212 yards and two scores, while the Browns as a team completed 18-of-29 for 333 yards and three TDs. “I thought we were tight in coverage, but at times we didn’t make enough plays,” Shurmur said. Mayfield made enough plays to impress in his NFL debut. Among those confident he will succeed in the NFL is Sterling Shepard, the Giants wide receiver who played one year with Mayfield at Oklahoma in 2015. Shepard was a senior. Mayfield was the sophomore newcomer who won the starting job in camp. “He’s a great competitor,” Shepard said. “I don’t see anything that’s going to hold that guy back.” Especially when he is playing against the Giants defense. Just an FYI - you need to post a link when you are quoting articles.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:25:09 GMT -5
This might be the yr where the O just has to help out the D by trying to pile on the pts & give the D as much time on the sidelines. That's where the run game with SB will play a huge role in winning the TOP & keeping our D fresh for the 4th qt. With this much talent on the O side of the ball, I'll be shocked to see this O go 3 & out more than 3-4x a game. Last yr they were going 3 & out 8+ times a game. You can't do that to your D & expect them to not be gassed late in the game. The defense sucked last year because the defense sucked. Let’s not make up excuses for that.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 11, 2018 11:33:32 GMT -5
And the O scoring just about 15ppg & going 3 & out 8+ times a game didn't help. In 2016, the Falcons defense gave up 406 pts. No D that gives up 400+pts in a season should even have a 500 record but guess what? Due to their O putting up 540pts, they went to the SB. That was a case of the O bailing out the D by putting up way more pts than they gave up. So yeah, this might be the case for the 2018 Giants. The O might have to put up 28 a game to over come the 21-24 the D might give up per game. Then again, the D might turn out fine & just give up 20ppg on the yr. The D bailed out the O in 2016 thus the 11-5 record, bout time the O returns the favor. They have the weapons to do it.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 11, 2018 11:37:34 GMT -5
And the O scoring just about 15ppg & going 3 & out 8+ times a game didn't help. In 2016, the Falcons defense gave up 406 pts. No D that gives up 400+pts in a season should even have a 500 record but guess what? Due to their O putting up 540pts, they went to the SB. That was a case of the O bailing out the D by putting up way more pts than they gave up. So yeah, this might be the case for the 2018 Giants. The O might have to put up 28 a game to over come the 21-24 the D might give up per game. Then again, the D might turn out fine & just give up 20ppg on the yr. The D bailed out the O in 2016 thus the 11-5 record, bout time the O returns the favor. They have the weapons to do it. I wasn’t defending the offense, they sucked hard for the past two years. Absolutely awful. That said the defense has sucked too. One doesn’t cause the other.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 12, 2018 9:03:10 GMT -5
Did you really think a entirely new way to play Defense was going to click immediately? No I expected growing pains but the DC also has to be given the talent to work with and he is very thin in the secondary and somewhat on D overall. You can't teach talent Unfortunately he will not get better players till next offseason
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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2018 9:14:40 GMT -5
Did you really think a entirely new way to play Defense was going to click immediately? No I expected growing pains but the DC also has to be given the talent to work with and he is very thin in the secondary and somewhat on D overall. You can't teach talent Unfortunately he will not get better players till next offseason We have injuries. I am not going to judge 1 half of the first game as we have no talent. I am not ready to buy that just yet.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 12, 2018 12:25:59 GMT -5
No I expected growing pains but the DC also has to be given the talent to work with and he is very thin in the secondary and somewhat on D overall. You can't teach talent Unfortunately he will not get better players till next offseason We have injuries. I am not going to judge 1 half of the first game as we have no talent. I am not ready to buy that just yet. well what do they have past Jenkins & Collins, Harrison that scare anyone at all?? Not even Vernon brings fear to any OCs Your right will have to wait And see but I'm thinking the O is going to have to score 25/30 a game for a chance to win each week
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 12:36:40 GMT -5
We have injuries. I am not going to judge 1 half of the first game as we have no talent. I am not ready to buy that just yet. well what do they have past Jenkins & Collins, Harrison that scare anyone at all?? Not even Vernon brings fear to any OCs Your right will have to wait And see but I'm thinking the O is going to have to score 25/30 a game for a chance to win each week i don’t think the first team defense was terrible other than the one play. They did bring some pressure and forced some punts. Most teams in the NFL will have to score around 25 ppg to win not just the Giants. If the defense can be middle of the pack that’s what we can hope for. If they’re better then great.
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Post by Miked1958 on Aug 12, 2018 14:24:37 GMT -5
well what do they have past Jenkins & Collins, Harrison that scare anyone at all?? Not even Vernon brings fear to any OCs Your right will have to wait And see but I'm thinking the O is going to have to score 25/30 a game for a chance to win each week i don’t think the first team defense was terrible other than the one play. They did bring some pressure and forced some punts. Most teams in the NFL will have to score around 25 ppg to win not just the Giants. If the defense can be middle of the pack that’s what we can hope for. If they’re better then great. Taylor was 6 for 6 for 99 yards and a td in two series be them
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 12, 2018 14:52:21 GMT -5
And the O scoring just about 15ppg & going 3 & out 8+ times a game didn't help. In 2016, the Falcons defense gave up 406 pts. No D that gives up 400+pts in a season should even have a 500 record but guess what? Due to their O putting up 540pts, they went to the SB. That was a case of the O bailing out the D by putting up way more pts than they gave up. So yeah, this might be the case for the 2018 Giants. The O might have to put up 28 a game to over come the 21-24 the D might give up per game. Then again, the D might turn out fine & just give up 20ppg on the yr. The D bailed out the O in 2016 thus the 11-5 record, bout time the O returns the favor. They have the weapons to do it. I wasn’t defending the offense, they sucked hard for the past two years. Absolutely awful. That said the defense has sucked too. One doesn’t cause the other. Maybe not cause but they certainly have an affect on one another. Wish I could remember that last time both helped each other out.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 12, 2018 16:10:48 GMT -5
For the first preseason game, I believe it gave us a glimpse into which players are going to make this team as well which ones coming back demonstrate improvement (fresh start) like Apple and the heir apparent to the JPP vacancy.
Secondary is a concern although great for Mayfield's debut in the NFL.
Not sure who gets released from other team's secondaries worth a look... but it may be time to call DRC.
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 12, 2018 18:33:55 GMT -5
I wasn’t defending the offense, they sucked hard for the past two years. Absolutely awful. That said the defense has sucked too. One doesn’t cause the other. Maybe not cause but they certainly have an affect on one another. Wish I could remember that last time both helped each other out. 2008 when the O was #3 & the D was #5, no coincidence G-men were 12-4 & had the #1 seed, shame Plax blew it for us as repeat champs.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 12, 2018 22:33:22 GMT -5
I wasn’t defending the offense, they sucked hard for the past two years. Absolutely awful. That said the defense has sucked too. One doesn’t cause the other. Maybe not cause but they certainly have an affect on one another. Wish I could remember that last time both helped each other out. I agree, completely. It seems the last time we had that was in the playoff runs many years ago. 2016 felt like 40 years ago where the defense would exhort the offense as it was coming on the field to "hold 'em".
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Post by GameTime on Aug 13, 2018 8:48:03 GMT -5
no it doesnt....
or better yet it impossible to even make that call right now..
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