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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 13, 2018 21:35:43 GMT -5
Yes that's what I remember. TC felt the Jet players were taking cheap shots and hitting when they felt it was suppose to be no contact. TC and Rex Ryan had words after the practice and TC felt he couldn't trust Rex anymore after that. He canceled it. That's what I remember. Rex Ryan.... can stand him as a HC. He was terrible overall. Too much of their father carried over in the twins. The dads defenses always laid cheap shots on you. Hated the father much more than I despise the boys. Their father made me like Ditka !
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 13, 2018 21:37:36 GMT -5
I honestly think some of these guys think their suppose to fight. Wouldn't be surprised if some of these coaches put them up to it.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 13, 2018 21:41:06 GMT -5
Yes that's what I remember. TC felt the Jet players were taking cheap shots and hitting when they felt it was suppose to be no contact. TC and Rex Ryan had words after the practice and TC felt he couldn't trust Rex anymore after that. He canceled it. That's what I remember. Yeah, I do recall that, now. Maybe it's why our team hasn't done it, since. I certainly think that's true as far as TC was concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 23:41:35 GMT -5
Oh, I get the first part...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. It was the second part that confused me. That's ludicrous, I never said that. Do you think Rypien is a better QB than Marino? I just pointed out that $25mm a year doesn't buy nearly as much QB as it used to do. The second part ought to be pretty self evident. You cited Matthew Stafford’s lack of “trophies” with one of the historically-worst franchises in the league as a reason why he’s a substandard quarterback. Well, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl while Mark Rypien did. If you follow the logic that a quarterback’s worth is based on how many rings he has, then...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2018 0:02:04 GMT -5
That's ludicrous, I never said that. Do you think Rypien is a better QB than Marino? I just pointed out that $25mm a year doesn't buy nearly as much QB as it used to do. The second part ought to be pretty self evident. You cited Matthew Stafford’s lack of “trophies” with one of the historically-worst franchises in the league as a reason why he’s a substandard quarterback. Well, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl while Mark Rypien did. If you follow the logic that a quarterback’s worth is based on how many rings he has, then...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. I don't agree with that. I think great QBs like Marino are as obvious as they are rare. I wouldn't put Stafford, Manning or Rypien in that company. And I definitely do not think Stafford's a sub standard QB and I never said that; I think he's a franchise QB. He's just on a bad team so I don't see how putting him on the Giants helps or changes anything.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 14, 2018 5:39:24 GMT -5
I honestly think some of these guys think their suppose to fight. Wouldn't be surprised if some of these coaches put them up to it. I suppose we would all agree that Rex Ryan was that type of coach.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 14, 2018 5:41:31 GMT -5
I heard they had to lock Beckham in a cage, to keep him from jumping ship to the Browns when our team went to Cleveland for the first preseason game. Not sure I'd blame him with the difference in quarterback situations between the two teams. We all like to bag on the Browns (despite our current position), but...I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Browns won more games this year than we did Their roster is gathering talent, it's only a matter of time.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2018 7:21:30 GMT -5
Rex Ryan.... can stand him as a HC. He was terrible overall. Too much of their father carried over in the twins. The dads defenses always laid cheap shots on you. Hated the father much more than I despise the boys. Their father made me like Ditka ! Didnt know Gilbride a the time but when I saw him get punched I immediately lost respect for Buddy Ryan.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2018 7:31:09 GMT -5
Didnt know Gilbride a the time but when I saw him get punched I immediately lost respect for Buddy Ryan. To me it was when he put the bounty on LT! actually wasnt a fan of his at all even prior. He just always seemed like an jerk off.
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 14, 2018 8:50:56 GMT -5
Opportunity to get a closer looks at Lion's roster to see if any players (secondary) that get cut may be worth the Giants taking a look?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2018 8:53:49 GMT -5
So our team will be having joint practices with the Lions, 3 days this week, then the 2nd preseason game on Friday. I know other teams have done this in recent years, not sure if our team ever has? Obviously, this will create an uptick practice intensity, and a better feel of how plays work or get defensed, with the less familiarity between the players. But is there a greater potential of injury, or feuds developing that build each day or carry into the game? Just wondering what anyones' feelings are on this? Giants haven't done it for a while but had joint practice with the Bengals in the past. The hosts o BBKL talked of joint practices being more useful than preseason games in some ways. You get to see players in way more reps at a higher intensity level than regular practice. I'm not sure why Coughlin didn't do them again after the Bengals but I vaguely recall a lot of fights. he stopped after they did it with the Giants and had a giant sized brawl.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 9:29:19 GMT -5
You cited Matthew Stafford’s lack of “trophies” with one of the historically-worst franchises in the league as a reason why he’s a substandard quarterback. Well, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl while Mark Rypien did. If you follow the logic that a quarterback’s worth is based on how many rings he has, then...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. I don't agree with that. I think great QBs like Marino are as obvious as they are rare. I wouldn't put Stafford, Manning or Rypien in that company. And I definitely do not think Stafford's a sub standard QB and I never said that; I think he's a franchise QB. He's just on a bad team so I don't see how putting him on the Giants helps or changes anything. The Giants need to get overpaid Stafford to go from 1 team he did absolutely jack squat for 10 years to us to do exactly the same thing for the next 5 years as long as it makes those who wanted to draft a QB feel better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2018 9:54:43 GMT -5
I heard they had to lock Beckham in a cage, to keep him from jumping ship to the Browns when our team went to Cleveland for the first preseason game. Not sure I'd blame him with the difference in quarterback situations between the two teams. We all like to bag on the Browns (despite our current position), but...I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Browns won more games this year than we did I have been saying for the last 3 years that at this point the Giants have nothing up on the Browns,oh how the mighty have fallen hopefully were on our way back.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2018 10:15:47 GMT -5
That's ludicrous, I never said that. Do you think Rypien is a better QB than Marino? I just pointed out that $25mm a year doesn't buy nearly as much QB as it used to do. The second part ought to be pretty self evident. You cited Matthew Stafford’s lack of “trophies” with one of the historically-worst franchises in the league as a reason why he’s a substandard quarterback. Well, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl while Mark Rypien did. If you follow the logic that a quarterback’s worth is based on how many rings he has, then...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. point here is the QB gets to much credit when winning and to much credit while losing it's a team game if you don't block and tackle good your team won't be good, some guys with great talent never have quite enough talent around them to win.
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Post by bluejayc on Aug 14, 2018 10:30:35 GMT -5
You cited Matthew Stafford’s lack of “trophies” with one of the historically-worst franchises in the league as a reason why he’s a substandard quarterback. Well, Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl while Mark Rypien did. If you follow the logic that a quarterback’s worth is based on how many rings he has, then...Mark Rypien was a better quarterback than Dan Marino. point here is the QB gets to much credit when winning and to much credit while losing it's a team game if you don't block and tackle good your team won't be good, some guys with great talent never have quite enough talent around them to win. You don't even need a QB to win the SB. (see 2000 Ravens & 2015 Broncos)
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Post by Merc on Aug 14, 2018 11:33:31 GMT -5
So our team will be having joint practices with the Lions, 3 days this week, then the 2nd preseason game on Friday. I know other teams have done this in recent years, not sure if our team ever has? Obviously, this will create an uptick practice intensity, and a better feel of how plays work or get defensed, with the less familiarity between the players. But is there a greater potential of injury, or feuds developing that build each day or carry into the game? Just wondering what anyones' feelings are on this? Both teams have new coaches. They won't let things get out of hand. They may be occasional scuffles. There isn't a major rivalry here.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 14, 2018 11:33:38 GMT -5
point here is the QB gets to much credit when winning and to much credit while losing it's a team game if you don't block and tackle good your team won't be good, some guys with great talent never have quite enough talent around them to win. You don't even need a QB to win the SB. (see 2000 Ravens & 2015 Broncos) You absolutely do, but a QB alone assures and guarantees absolutely nothing. I’ve said all along that I don’t agree with the order in which Gettleman is rebuilding the team but the idea that there’s only one way to do it is as arrogant and uninformed as it is naive. This team is not ready now and it won’t be next year I don’t care who the QB is and I doubt there is any QB in league that can take this current roster to the SB anytime soon.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 14, 2018 11:39:46 GMT -5
point here is the QB gets to much credit when winning and to much credit while losing it's a team game if you don't block and tackle good your team won't be good, some guys with great talent never have quite enough talent around them to win. You don't even need a QB to win the SB. (see 2000 Ravens & 2015 Broncos) It helps tho it can be done, what makes a QB is whats around him some need A wall around others don't, but even Rodgers Rothlisberger miss games when there teams skimped on the men up front,someyimes it's injury's sometimes just talent if those five guys can't get it done the team and QB are done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:42:33 GMT -5
point here is the QB gets to much credit when winning and to much credit while losing it's a team game if you don't block and tackle good your team won't be good, some guys with great talent never have quite enough talent around them to win. You don't even need a QB to win the SB. (see 2000 Ravens & 2015 Broncos) You failed to mention that those team had super powered defenses. Though it can happen, you absolutely want a franchise QB.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 14, 2018 11:47:23 GMT -5
You don't even need a QB to win the SB. (see 2000 Ravens & 2015 Broncos) You absolutely do, but a QB alone assures and guarantees absolutely nothing. I’ve said all along that I don’t agree with the order in which Gettleman is rebuilding the team but the idea that there’s only one way to do it is as arrogant and uninformed as it is naive. This team is not ready now and it won’t be next year I don’t care who the QB is and I doubt there is any QB in league that can take this current roster to the SB anytime soon. maybe you didnt know this but Eli Manning is the QB for the NYGs. He can do it!!!! well maybe not
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 14, 2018 13:16:39 GMT -5
Practice went off with no incidents, no injuries to speak of.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 15, 2018 17:39:15 GMT -5
Too much of their father carried over in the twins. The dads defenses always laid cheap shots on you. Hated the father much more than I despise the boys. Their father made me like Ditka ! Didnt know Gilbride a the time but when I saw him get punched I immediately lost respect for Buddy Ryan. I can't remember a single time I thought Buddy Ryan showed any redeeming qualities. He always seemed to be on the side of the party that started the trouble.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 15, 2018 17:47:42 GMT -5
Didnt know Gilbride a the time but when I saw him get punched I immediately lost respect for Buddy Ryan. I can't remember a single time I thought Buddy Ryan showed any redeeming qualities. He always seemed to be on the side of the party that started the trouble. thats true......not like I had much respect for him even up to that point
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 15, 2018 17:49:27 GMT -5
I can't remember a single time I thought Buddy Ryan showed any redeeming qualities. He always seemed to be on the side of the party that started the trouble. thats true......not like I had much respect for him even up to that point I had tremendous respect for him through his stint with the Bears. Went downhill fast after that.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 15, 2018 18:02:55 GMT -5
thats true......not like I had much respect for him even up to that point I had tremendous respect for him through his stint with the Bears. Went downhill fast after that. I am sure he was probably always a jerk off it just wasnt in the papers.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 15, 2018 18:39:13 GMT -5
I had tremendous respect for him through his stint with the Bears. Went downhill fast after that. I am sure he was probably always a jerk off it just wasnt in the papers. more than likely
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