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Post by IrishMike on Oct 11, 2019 20:12:28 GMT -5
You sure they weren’t being sarcastic with you? Besides the pass to Tate and a few throws in tight spots. What did he do that was not an utter disaster in last nights game? Want to give him credit for playing in a game with no weapons and no running game? I’ll give you that. And why are some downplaying the Lions? Same team that beat the Eagles and went toe to toe with the Chiefs and almost won? They aren’t a bad football team, we aren’t talking about the Detroit Tigers. After 6 years of hearing these people trash the Giants on a daily basis it was odd to hear them say anything remotely nice. Giants fans around here just act like freaking Jets fans sometimes and everything is horrible talk. Jones threw the ball better than Tom Brady last night. Yes he had 3 INTs but go look at them again. All three were "rookie" mistakes (going over the middle behind your WR, holding too long getting arm tapped and misreading the coverage). Too be expected. But he delivered the ball with zip on it and made some absolutely incredible throws.
Horribly windy conditions, top 3 weapons and back up RB out, facing #1 rated D and facing BB in his 4th game in the NFL on a short week nationally televised game on the road against the best home team ever....yeah he did pretty dam good.
I didn't mean to downplay the lions, I just don't think their D is as good as the Vikes, Pats, Bears and Boys. IMO the Lions vs Giants game should be very evenly matched.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 11, 2019 20:28:03 GMT -5
You sure they weren’t being sarcastic with you? Besides the pass to Tate and a few throws in tight spots. What did he do that was not an utter disaster in last nights game? Want to give him credit for playing in a game with no weapons and no running game? I’ll give you that. And why are some downplaying the Lions? Same team that beat the Eagles and went toe to toe with the Chiefs and almost won? They aren’t a bad football team, we aren’t talking about the Detroit Tigers. After 6 years of hearing these people trash the Giants on a daily basis it was odd to hear them say anything remotely nice. Giants fans around here just act like freaking Jets fans sometimes and everything is horrible talk. Jones threw the ball better than Tom Brady last night. Yes he had 3 INTs but go look at them again. All three were "rookie" mistakes (going over the middle behind your WR, holding too long getting arm tapped and misreading the coverage). Too be expected. But he delivered the ball with zip on it and made some absolutely incredible throws.
Horribly windy conditions, top 3 weapons and back up RB out, facing #1 rated D and facing BB in his 4th game in the NFL on a short week nationally televised game on the road against the best home team ever....yeah he did pretty dam good.
I didn't mean to downplay the lions, I just don't think their D is as good as the Vikes, Pats, Bears and Boys. IMO the Lions vs Giants game should be very evenly matched.
Fair response..
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Post by yoho on Oct 11, 2019 21:10:45 GMT -5
DJ is a competitor that is obvious. Just needs time to marinade.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 11, 2019 22:21:16 GMT -5
That's been pretty obvious for a bit now. That said, him losing a bit off his fastball still make shim better than many other QBs and the system he is on does not require that he carry anything, just do his job. That helps enormously with longevity. I agree. He just isn't the big bad boogy man any more. So is Patty Mahommes the best QB in the league right now? Is Wilson better than Brady this year? The changing of the guard is among us. It certainly is, once it started it went quick.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 11, 2019 22:23:49 GMT -5
Luckily it gets better playing the Cards and Lions the next 2 weeks. Then Dallas, Jets and Bears. We will see how the rest of the year goes, looking forward to watching this kid develop though. I was amazed all the Pats fans I work with were saying how impressed they were with Jones, even after that game. He really might be an ELIte Qb in the league in a couple years. You sure they weren’t being sarcastic with you? Besides the pass to Tate and a few throws in tight spots. What did he do that was not an utter disaster in last nights game? Want to give him credit for playing in a game with no weapons and no running game? I’ll give you that. And why are some downplaying the Lions? Same team that beat the Eagles and went toe to toe with the Chiefs and almost won? They aren’t a bad football team, we aren’t talking about the Detroit Tigers. That's true, the Lions are a good team. Except in the playoffs.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 11, 2019 23:32:12 GMT -5
You sure they weren’t being sarcastic with you? Besides the pass to Tate and a few throws in tight spots. What did he do that was not an utter disaster in last nights game? Want to give him credit for playing in a game with no weapons and no running game? I’ll give you that. And why are some downplaying the Lions? Same team that beat the Eagles and went toe to toe with the Chiefs and almost won? They aren’t a bad football team, we aren’t talking about the Detroit Tigers. After 6 years of hearing these people trash the Giants on a daily basis it was odd to hear them say anything remotely nice. Giants fans around here just act like freaking Jets fans sometimes and everything is horrible talk. Jones threw the ball better than Tom Brady last night. Yes he had 3 INTs but go look at them again. All three were "rookie" mistakes (going over the middle behind your WR, holding too long getting arm tapped and misreading the coverage). Too be expected. But he delivered the ball with zip on it and made some absolutely incredible throws.
Horribly windy conditions, top 3 weapons and back up RB out, facing #1 rated D and facing BB in his 4th game in the NFL on a short week nationally televised game on the road against the best home team ever....yeah he did pretty dam good.
I didn't mean to downplay the lions, I just don't think their D is as good as the Vikes, Pats, Bears and Boys. IMO the Lions vs Giants game should be very evenly matched.
Can't like this enough.
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Post by Parademon1 on Oct 12, 2019 10:14:55 GMT -5
Az, Det & Dallas already have NY penciled in as a win, as does their fan base. Don't know why people here are thinking these next few games will be "easy" or wins. The mass amount of injuries to key players going into the Vikes/NE games killed any slight chance this team had to make some noise in Dec. Healthy NY team would have gotten split & been 3-3 heading into the bye. Then, maybe, I coulda seen some outside shot at a WC run. Hopefully the team can play 500 ball in the last 10 games & finish a respectable 7-9. That's bout really the best we can hope for these last 10 games & for SB to still be able to hit the 1000yd mark in rushing +10TDs rushing & 3 rec.
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Post by Miked1958 on Oct 12, 2019 10:42:21 GMT -5
technically he should of had 4 td passes against them. On 2 of them their D was totally beat. The long pass inches from Shepards fingertips. The one where shep wide open in back of endzone and threw to high And the one in endzone he put right on tue money and shep dropped it Nothing NE defense coukd of done about any of them. Slight miscues on DJs part and sheps. If the convert on those 3 add 18 points and they lose 35-32 Now on the 4th & 2 later in game if they had converted on the prior 3 they woukd of kicked a FG there. 35-35 Not to be a jerk but what are you talking about? Shep didand n't play. i meant Tate and typed shep. My bad. But i think u get the point
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 13, 2019 15:00:28 GMT -5
What do they call it when Baker Mayfield struggles? Overrated as hell? What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's
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Post by allnygin on Oct 13, 2019 15:17:08 GMT -5
Overrated as hell? What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's Just reinforces the giants should've drafted him over barkley
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Post by Merc on Oct 13, 2019 15:35:35 GMT -5
That first interception was not on Jones.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 13, 2019 16:08:47 GMT -5
Overrated as hell? What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's HOFer. Book it. That will be a historic and crowded class but make no mistake all 4 will go in and will go in on the first ballot. It's a lock.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 13, 2019 16:42:42 GMT -5
Overrated as hell? What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's Why do you insist so much? What did you think of Daniel Jones on Thursday? What do you think of Darnolds performance right now vs the Cowboys? Rosens career was over before it began. No QB can survive the ride he is on. Not even Brady or Rodgers.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 13, 2019 17:33:50 GMT -5
What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's HOFer. Book it. That will be a historic and crowded class but make no mistake all 4 will go in and will go in on the first ballot. It's a lock. This gag of yours is getting a bit stale. Might want to find some new material.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 13, 2019 17:36:48 GMT -5
What would you say about Josh Rosen today? Yanked late for Fitzmagic after going 15/25 for 85 yards and 2 INT's Why do you insist so much? What did you think of Daniel Jones on Thursday? What do you think of Darnolds performance right now vs the Cowboys? Rosens career was over before it began. No QB can survive the ride he is on. Not even Brady or Rodgers. Well...I didn't scout any of them prior to the draft, I didn't make any proclamations about any of them, and more importantly, I didn't say that any team was wrong for taking any of them. But you did. But I'll make a deal with you: you stop referencing elements of your scouting report after a "bad game" by DJ, and I'll stop pointing out the bad games of the QB's you touted so highly, particularly the one you wanted to take instead of DJ.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 13, 2019 17:37:26 GMT -5
HOFer. Book it. That will be a historic and crowded class but make no mistake all 4 will go in and will go in on the first ballot. It's a lock. This gag of yours is getting a bit stale. Might want to find some new material.
Mmmmm...that's actually going to be funny for 18 months.
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Post by leonperry on Oct 13, 2019 18:11:32 GMT -5
Why do you insist so much? What did you think of Daniel Jones on Thursday? What do you think of Darnolds performance right now vs the Cowboys? Rosens career was over before it began. No QB can survive the ride he is on. Not even Brady or Rodgers. Well...I didn't scout any of them prior to the draft, I didn't make any proclamations about any of them, and more importantly, I didn't say that any team was wrong for taking any of them. But you did. But I'll make a deal with you: you stop referencing elements of your scouting report after a "bad game" by DJ, and I'll stop pointing out the bad games of the QB's you touted so highly, particularly the one you wanted to take instead of DJ. you simply do not question the sanctity of the vaunted "Duke Film Analysis" on these boards, ok now? Even John Mara won't question it in public, but then that's further evidence of his wishy-washy nature
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 13, 2019 23:49:48 GMT -5
HOFer. Book it. That will be a historic and crowded class but make no mistake all 4 will go in and will go in on the first ballot. It's a lock. This gag of yours is getting a bit stale. Might want to find some new material.
Never. I'm the Milton Berle of this place. I'll be doing the same schtick in thirty years.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 13, 2019 23:50:39 GMT -5
This gag of yours is getting a bit stale. Might want to find some new material.
Mmmmm...that's actually going to be funny for 18 months. You misspelled years.
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Post by bluesanta on Oct 14, 2019 3:48:11 GMT -5
This isn't directed at anyone in particular. However, if you expected a rookie QB, any rookie QB, to get the better of perhaps the best defensive coaching mind in NFL history in Bill B, then I think the problem could be your expectations. Especially when you give Bill the talent they have on that defense.
Danny will be fine.
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Post by southerner on Oct 14, 2019 5:21:44 GMT -5
Not good. The stage was to big for him at this point in his career. Made some terrible decisions and throws But he shows flashes every game. Does things kids his age and experience dont do. Im very optimistic for him and the future of this team Please, without Barkley, Engram, and Shepard he was lucky to do what he did.
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Post by TCHOF on Oct 14, 2019 6:55:08 GMT -5
Not good. The stage was to big for him at this point in his career. Made some terrible decisions and throws But he shows flashes every game. Does things kids his age and experience dont do. Im very optimistic for him and the future of this team I don’t think this kid has ever looked like the stage is too big for him. Don’t agree with that take at all
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 14, 2019 8:37:53 GMT -5
Jones looks better than I expected and I fully expect him to develop into a fine NFL QB.
I think the kid has it. But there will be bumps in the road....as there always are.
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Post by Delicreep on Oct 14, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -5
Jones looks better than I expected and I fully expect him to develop into a fine NFL QB. I think the kid has it. But there will be bumps in the road....as there always is. We have to be pleased with what we have seen so far.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 14, 2019 15:48:18 GMT -5
This gag of yours is getting a bit stale. Might want to find some new material.
Mmmmm...that's actually going to be funny for 18 months. I could post it every day for a year and it still would not come close to comparing to the number of posts from fantasy GMs that purported to know better because the football media told them so. And while I understand that no one likes to be reminded that they bought a bill of goods sold by a bunch of talking heads, that's really just too bad.
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Post by KingCap88 on Oct 14, 2019 16:03:09 GMT -5
Jones didn't have a good game by any stretch of the imagination. But I expected him to have his rookie growing pains, but he does need to get the INTs under control. The offense as a whole, along with the playcalling, cost the Giants that game. I was proud of the defense for stepping up though, but they couldn't hold the Pats off forever with the offense sputtering.
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Post by Roswell on Oct 14, 2019 16:15:16 GMT -5
I thought the Pats were there to be taken and the Giants beat themselves. "Considering the weapons....." does not excuse the poor decisions but Jones will learn from them and grow.
The Giants are in a good place right now with their QB. It would be surprising to me if Jones doesn't develop into a highly capable QB.
If their D can play like they did Thursday for the rest of the season then the Giants can flirt with 500.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 14, 2019 16:23:09 GMT -5
Mmmmm...that's actually going to be funny for 18 months. I could post it every day for a year and it still would not come close to comparing to the number of posts from fantasy GMs that purported to know better because the football media told them so. And while I understand that no one likes to be reminded that they bought a bill of goods sold by a bunch of talking heads, that's really just too bad. Really don't remember anyone suggesting that the 2018 draft would create 4 HOF QB's.
The point made by many posters, including me, is that it was a strong QB class. We will of course see how they develop with the teams and coaching staff's they play for.
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Post by jmike on Oct 14, 2019 16:37:16 GMT -5
I could post it every day for a year and it still would not come close to comparing to the number of posts from fantasy GMs that purported to know better because the football media told them so. And while I understand that no one likes to be reminded that they bought a bill of goods sold by a bunch of talking heads, that's really just too bad. Really don't remember anyone suggesting that the 2018 draft would create 4 HOF QB's.
The point made by many posters, including me, is that it was a strong QB class. We will of course see how they develop with the teams and coaching staff's they play for.
IDK....I never thought it was particularly strong in individuals, but it it did have a bunch of talented QBs, so it was strong in volume. Not a single one of the players was a great prospect, they each had significant flaws. None of them were clearly better better that the top 4 this year, who each had significant flaws as well. So, I really don't see the big difference in strength of class at QB between 2018 and 2019 in anything other than volume. When you are looking at a QB in the top 5-6 picks and since you only get one of them; I just don't see how a draft having 6 good QBs makes it better to take one of them than a draft that has 3 good QBs. I think it is the individual you take who's quality of play matters more than how many players of similar quality are also available to choose from. Nobody will convince me that Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Jackson/Allen were a more talented group than Murray/Jones/Haskins/Lock in anything other than volume.
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