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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 23, 2018 11:36:02 GMT -5
Wouldn’t this be the narrative for all of the 5 or 6 teams that have old QBs that didn’t draft a QB in the last draft? Particularly those with good teams since they’re already relevant, closer to a potential championship and do not need to rebuild most of their roster like the Giants do? That would seem to me to be the more obvious story. Maybe it is but I don’t read other teams’ message boards so I wouldn’t know. Assuming you're talking about the Pats, Steelers, Saints, Packers, and Chargers... they picked (in order of draft) 14th, 17th, 18th, 28th and 31st. That's a far cry from 2nd overall. Especially when there was all but one QB of your choice available. And one of which was picked directly after you by a "rival" in the same market. That’s true but presumably they could have - and based on some posts I read here - should have traded up since the need is so dire. And while I agree with your comments on the market, particularly with the media’s desire to create story where one does not exist, there is no rivalry. Just as there isn’t a rivalry between the Yankees and the Mets. The media works hard to create it but it doesn’t actually exist. Well, maybe in the minds of a handful of Mets and Jets fans.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 11:42:30 GMT -5
So what if Darnold lights us up on Friday night, it's only preseason and that doesn't mean our team made the wrong pick. At the end of the day Blake Bortles looked like a stud in preseason for the Jaguars as a rookie (and has pretty much every preseason), yet come regular season he had a pretty rough ride as their rookie quarterback and since then he has blown hot and cold. Plenty of prospects through the years have been impressive in preseason but struggled in regular season, and others have been lackluster in preseason but impressive in regular season. It's preseason. Now if Darnold lights us up every time he plays us in the regular season for the next decade, wins a Super Bowl, and we get stuck in mediocrity - fine - at that point let's criticize the pick. But one preseason game doesn't make Darnold the next great quarterback because plenty of other quarterbacks have impressed in preseason but never made it to the big boys table when it really matters. Maybe Darnold will make it to that table, then again maybe he won't. Who knows? For me I still believe we made the right pick going for Barkley because we are committed to Eli Manning and "win now". In time maybe we'll regret that choice if we don't win and struggle to find Eli's replacement while the Jets have success with Darnold, but it is way too early to worry about the Darnold and Barkley debate. That discussion needs to happen 3-5 years down the line when these players are established in the league. Ok. Where in any of my posts did I even remotely allude to anything you said above? I'm talking about one game, in week 3 of the preseason, 4 months after he was drafted. And Darnold doesn't need to light us up once every 4 years to "prove" anything. If he turns into a franchise QB that is reliable and dependable, then looking back in hindsight is warranted. You said you have a feeling that Darnold will light us up, my point is so what if he does - it's preseason. Lots of players do well in preseason and don't back it up when it matters. So even if the NYC media do take it out of proportion and say we should have picked Darnold over Barkley in a redraft, in my mind it doesn't matter because it's one preseason game that doesn't really matter. As a fan base we need to stop thinking about Darnold and Rosen, going back and forth on why we should have picked them over Barkley, and instead focus on who we did draft and get behind them. Let's talk our guys up.
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Post by Delicreep on Aug 23, 2018 11:44:21 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. I absolutely think the NY tabloids will make something out it if Darnold lights up the Giant's D...it's kinda what they do, right?
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Post by Parademon1 on Aug 23, 2018 11:48:48 GMT -5
So what if Darnold has a good game & SB doesn't play? What if Darnold stinks it up while SB still doesn't play? What's the NY sports media gonna say then?
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 23, 2018 11:49:31 GMT -5
So what if Darnold has a good game & SB doesn't play? What if Darnold stinks it up while SB still doesn't play? What's the NY sports media gonna say then? Believe me, they’ll think of something.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 13:17:20 GMT -5
Assuming you're talking about the Pats, Steelers, Saints, Packers, and Chargers... they picked (in order of draft) 14th, 17th, 18th, 28th and 31st. That's a far cry from 2nd overall. Especially when there was all but one QB of your choice available. And one of which was picked directly after you by a "rival" in the same market. That’s true but presumably they could have - and based on some posts I read here - should have traded up since the need is so dire. And while I agree with your comments on the market, particularly with the media’s desire to create story where one does not exist, there is no rivalry. Just as there isn’t a rivalry between the Yankees and the Mets. The media works hard to create it but it doesn’t actually exist. Well, maybe in the minds of a handful of Mets and Jets fans..... Ok, thought it was obvious but I'm using quotation marks around the words, "rival" and "prove" to clearly state my respective opinions on those facets. However I do firmly believe that a rivalry of sorts exists between the Giants and jets, namely generated by the local media to appease a certain demographic of each fanbase. With regards to those teams trading up to draft a potential franchise QB replacement... moving up to the top of the draft from 14th, 17th, 18th, 28th or 31st isn't viable or realistic. The Giants/jets scenario is perfectly catered to the point I'm trying to make. The former having to soon deal with their long-time franchise QB's retirement, the latter being in QB hell for what seems like forever. Three scouted "franchise" QBs for the taking at #2 and #3... I mean you have to see this, right?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 13:20:54 GMT -5
You said you have a feeling that Darnold will light us up, my point is so what if he does - it's preseason. Lots of players do well in preseason and don't back it up when it matters. So even if the NYC media do take it out of proportion and say we should have picked Darnold over Barkley in a redraft, in my mind it doesn't matter because it's one preseason game that doesn't really matter. They're mutually exclusive IMO. And I've clearly expressed at least three times now that one preseason game doesn't sway my, or rational people's, long term opinion. To be honest I'm not a "rah rah" type of guy. I am allowed to constantly analyze this team as a whole and that includes looking back in three years at previous drafts and wondering what could have been. Me, you, anyone focusing on Barkley and filling the atmosphere with warm and fuzzy vibes literally has no impact on him as a player or this team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 13:21:41 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. I absolutely think the NY tabloids will make something out it if Darnold lights up the Giant's D...it's kinda what they do, right? Exactly. Until week 1 in this scenario (because I don't think either team gives a crap about week 4 of the preseason).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 13:22:53 GMT -5
So what if Darnold has a good game & SB doesn't play? What if Darnold stinks it up while SB still doesn't play? What's the NY sports media gonna say then? I dunno... that Darnold stunk it up?
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Post by Martin on Aug 23, 2018 13:28:04 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. I absolutely think the NY tabloids will make something out it if Darnold lights up the Giant's D...it's kinda what they do, right? It would be such great reading material while I sit on the bowl.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 23, 2018 13:57:57 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. I absolutely think the NY tabloids will make something out it if Darnold lights up the Giant's D...it's kinda what they do, right? That is true but why would Barkley's hamstring have anything to do with it....(based on the OP)
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Post by moecoastie on Aug 23, 2018 16:24:36 GMT -5
I have a feeling Darnold will play like crap and be exposed. That will be a bigger story than if Darnold lights up the D.
It doesnt matter either way as it is preseason but maybe, just maybe, it will quite the 2018 draft threads for a little bit. Those are more annoying than the NY media.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 16:41:08 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. Who cares if he does or doesn't. The preseason is filled with vanilla defenses, not the best for context. With that said, Darnold looks good, I think he'll be a good franchise QB who I dont think is even 21 yet. As always, no matter how good of a RB Barkley becomes taking a RB that early with the amount of holes we have in premium positions is enough to know it was an odd pick.
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Post by TEM on Aug 23, 2018 16:58:01 GMT -5
I want to know what exact stars are in alignment? WTF snowman if your calling stars to be aligned. At least have the decadence to say which ones they are. I would like to break out my 12" reflector and see it for myself. Come on throw a friend a bone here.
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Post by pocketintegrity on Aug 23, 2018 17:09:50 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. Pass rush is not there? U haven't been paying attention at all
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Post by ocgiant on Aug 23, 2018 17:17:25 GMT -5
I want him to fail like Sanchez did (except faster) and call it the USC curse... then the Giants get him in a trade where he exceeds expectations as the Giants franchise QB... one can only dream...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 17:19:24 GMT -5
Nope, I'm sure we are going to be sweating this hamstring issue out until right up to opening kickoff of the regular season, and then probably off and on throughout the season as things go for this team.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 23, 2018 17:28:42 GMT -5
That’s true but presumably they could have - and based on some posts I read here - should have traded up since the need is so dire. And while I agree with your comments on the market, particularly with the media’s desire to create story where one does not exist, there is no rivalry. Just as there isn’t a rivalry between the Yankees and the Mets. The media works hard to create it but it doesn’t actually exist. Well, maybe in the minds of a handful of Mets and Jets fans..... Ok, thought it was obvious but I'm using quotation marks around the words, "rival" and "prove" to clearly state my respective opinions on those facets. However I do firmly believe that a rivalry of sorts exists between the Giants and jets, namely generated by the local media to appease a certain demographic of each fanbase. With regards to those teams trading up to draft a potential franchise QB replacement... moving up to the top of the draft from 14th, 17th, 18th, 28th or 31st isn't viable or realistic. The Giants/jets scenario is perfectly catered to the point I'm trying to make. The former having to soon deal with their long-time franchise QB's retirement, the latter being in QB hell for what seems like forever. Three scouted "franchise" QBs for the taking at #2 and #3... I mean you have to see this, right? I do and I did. I just didn’t do a very good job of communicating that. I was agreeing with your premise that it’s all contrived theater but in re-reading it, it comes off as though I was explaining to you what you had already said. My bad, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 18:21:08 GMT -5
Ok, thought it was obvious but I'm using quotation marks around the words, "rival" and "prove" to clearly state my respective opinions on those facets. However I do firmly believe that a rivalry of sorts exists between the Giants and jets, namely generated by the local media to appease a certain demographic of each fanbase. With regards to those teams trading up to draft a potential franchise QB replacement... moving up to the top of the draft from 14th, 17th, 18th, 28th or 31st isn't viable or realistic. The Giants/jets scenario is perfectly catered to the point I'm trying to make. The former having to soon deal with their long-time franchise QB's retirement, the latter being in QB hell for what seems like forever. Three scouted "franchise" QBs for the taking at #2 and #3... I mean you have to see this, right? I do and I did. I just didn’t do a very good job of communicating that. I was agreeing with your premise that it’s all contrived theater but in re-reading it, it comes off as though I was explaining to you what you had already said. My bad, sorry. Good. Don’t ever let it happen again or else you’ll force me to pen a very stern letter to you.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 23, 2018 19:37:55 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. A feeling or a wish?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 20:07:48 GMT -5
I have a bad feeling that Darnold lights up our defense Fri night. All the stars are aligned for him to go out and “prove” the Giants wrong for passing him up. Our secondary is brutal and pass rush is not there... combine that with the fact the jets are always out to prove something in week 3 of preseason, their intensity will be up while I believe the Giants are still going to look “heady” (thinking too much) and unproven in key areas. Is Barkley playing? If not the NYC market is going to have a field day rehashing the 2018 draft. At least for one week until the next game is played. A feeling or a wish? Are you asking if I wish Darnold and the jets light us up? If so then you need a dose of reality.
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Post by DonnieYen on Aug 23, 2018 21:49:35 GMT -5
I have a feeling Darnold will fold like a chair the way Stafford did last game vs our pass rush. Have you actually seen him play yet? I watched both jets games after the fact and the kid looks on point. I’m sure he also wants to go out and prove the Giants made a mistake too. Like I said...stars are aligned. the Jets first preseason game Darnold had 1 really good drive Darnold's second preseason game I wasn't that impressed with. In the Giants last pre season game Webb and Lauletta IMHO looked just as good if not better then Darnold in his first Jets game.
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Post by DonnieYen on Aug 23, 2018 21:52:50 GMT -5
Really at the end of the day weather we look good against him or not does it really mater its preseason when the season starts then I want us to look really good not right now.
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Post by Nick6475 on Aug 24, 2018 9:52:22 GMT -5
I have a feeling this defense is going to get lit up a lot this year...if Darnold lights them up tonight then it means he can light up a less than stellar defense...yay for him...
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Post by pocketintegrity on Aug 24, 2018 10:18:46 GMT -5
I have a feeling this defense is going to get lit up a lot this year...if Darnold lights them up tonight then it means he can light up a less than stellar defense...yay for him... The Giants defense is elite.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 10:21:09 GMT -5
I have a feeling this defense is going to get lit up a lot this year...if Darnold lights them up tonight then it means he can light up a less than stellar defense...yay for him... The Giants defense is elite. i hope you're correct. If they are we'll be in a winniable situation in most games.
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Post by Fletch842 on Aug 24, 2018 12:03:38 GMT -5
I have a feeling this defense is going to get lit up a lot this year...if Darnold lights them up tonight then it means he can light up a less than stellar defense...yay for him... The Giants defense is elite. like Eli-Apple-te
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 24, 2018 12:45:05 GMT -5
The Giants defense is elite. i hope you're correct. If they are we'll be in a winniable situation in most games. Not much to base anything on, just yet. They might be strong against the run, but prone to giving up big pass plays (to TEs, once again). The difference might be in how they control T.O.P., with a fresher defense more apt to be in position to create turnovers.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 24, 2018 12:46:30 GMT -5
I want him to fail like Sanchez did (except faster) and call it the USC curse... then the Giants get him in a trade where he exceeds expectations as the Giants franchise QB... one can only dream... Not unlikely, but usually the Jets ruin QB prospects for good.
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Post by DonnieYen on Aug 24, 2018 13:47:38 GMT -5
i hope you're correct. If they are we'll be in a winniable situation in most games. Not much to base anything on, just yet. They might be strong against the run, but prone to giving up big pass plays (to TEs, once again). The difference might be in how they control T.O.P., with a fresher defense more apt to be in position to create turnovers. People are just getting nervous now with the season upon us, Relax guys we will be better then last year weather that means we make the playoffs I don't know but I am not nervous I am excited for the upcoming season!
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