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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 24, 2018 13:28:14 GMT -5
I love historical matchup threads.....
At this point in their Careers, Osi already had 69 sacks while JPP has 58.5; however, JPP had more tackles
Using stats from their first FULL 9 seasons
OSI had 233 tackles vs. JPP's 309.
So which one would you rather have on your team assuming both have 10 fingers? I think JPP may have been the better all around player as the tackles seems to indicate that he was more effective against the run.
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 13:29:52 GMT -5
JPP and Osi helped us win a SBs JPP could defend the run and block kicks. Osi was a good pass rusher but was not the 4 down player JPP was.
If Osi was the only good DE we had . His deficiencies in running game would have been a problem. I think Osi would have thrived in Bettcher's 3-4
Me I would have wanted them both just as we did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 13:30:24 GMT -5
Osi had almost 10% of his sacks in 1 game lol.
I would take JPP because he played the run much much better than Osi. And Osi never had a year that JPP had in 2011. That was an MVP like season from JPP.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 24, 2018 13:31:42 GMT -5
^^^OSI has two rings.... What's your point? @ TEM
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Post by GameTime on Aug 24, 2018 13:34:58 GMT -5
overall they are a wash basically
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Post by TEM on Aug 24, 2018 13:37:02 GMT -5
^^^OSI has two rings.... What's your point? @ TEM I hit the post button by before i added all my comments . Go back and read it again now that it was finished. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 24, 2018 13:40:38 GMT -5
I love historical matchup threads..... At this point in their Careers, Osi already had 69 sacks while JPP has 58.5; however, JPP had more tackles Using stats from their first FULL 9 seasons OSI had 233 tackles vs. JPP's 309.
So which one would you rather have on your team assuming both have 10 fingers? I think JPP may have been the better all around player as the tackles seems to indicate that he was more effective against the run. two different kinds of players JPP was a poor mans Strahan good against the run Osi was a flat out pass rusher good early in his career tracking down ball carriers from the back side tough choice. |
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Post by jb456 on Aug 24, 2018 14:40:46 GMT -5
I love historical matchup threads..... At this point in their Careers, Osi already had 69 sacks while JPP has 58.5; however, JPP had more tackles Using stats from their first FULL 9 seasons OSI had 233 tackles vs. JPP's 309.
So which one would you rather have on your team assuming both have 10 fingers? I think JPP may have been the better all around player as the tackles seems to indicate that he was more effective against the run. JPP in his prime >>>>>> Osi. JPP would completely take over games and was a monster. Osi also turned a lot of game with his strip sack but I don't think opposing offenses feared Osi as much as JPP. This is subjective and they were both great IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 14:52:43 GMT -5
I love historical matchup threads..... At this point in their Careers, Osi already had 69 sacks while JPP has 58.5; however, JPP had more tackles Using stats from their first FULL 9 seasons OSI had 233 tackles vs. JPP's 309.
So which one would you rather have on your team assuming both have 10 fingers? I think JPP may have been the better all around player as the tackles seems to indicate that he was more effective against the run. Osi, much better pass rusher than JPP ever was. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 24, 2018 15:03:01 GMT -5
This is an interesting question for a number of reasons.
First, Osi's career seemed much longer to me than JPP's. Second, I know that Osi didn't understand the concept of "staying home" leaving gaping running lanes in pursuit of sacks. I am surprised at the number of sack by JPP.
Can I choose neither of them? I seem to think of their flaws before I can get to their positive qualities.
Gun to my head, I would call JPP a more complete player but Osi brings a smile to my face when I hear that name.......the opposite is true with JPP.
Interesting question.. |
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Post by fishinthesalt on Aug 24, 2018 15:23:55 GMT -5
Strahan
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Post by jb456 on Aug 24, 2018 15:26:21 GMT -5
This is an interesting question for a number of reasons.
First, Osi's career seemed much longer to me than JPP's. Second, I know that Osi didn't understand the concept of "staying home" leaving gaping running lanes in pursuit of sacks. I am surprised at the number of sack by JPP.
Can I choose neither of them? I seem to think of their flaws before I can get to their positive qualities.
Gun to my head, I would call JPP a more complete player but Osi brings a smile to my face when I hear that name.......the opposite is true with JPP.
Interesting question.. This is a great reply. Osi would completely sell out for a sack and would be a joy for opposing RB's. The sheer amount of turnovers he generated compensated for this though. |
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Post by jay051 on Aug 24, 2018 16:43:01 GMT -5
JPP and Osi helped us win a SBs JPP could defend the run and block kicks. Osi was a good pass rusher but was not the 4 down player JPP was. If Osi was the only good DE we had . His deficiencies in running game would have been a problem. I think Osi would have thrived in Bettcher's 3-4 Me I would have wanted them both just as we did. Osi was actually pretty solid against the run before he tore his meniscus. Osi was so underrated against the run due to how awful he looked when he came back in 09. Osi destroyed all pro Walter Jones in the 05 season. He would probably be a hall of famer if it werent for that 08 injury. Seriously who was better than Osi when it came to strip sack fumbles?? He was definitively one of the best at doing that compared to his peers. |
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Post by allnygin on Aug 24, 2018 17:17:21 GMT -5
I personally prefer OSI he played well in big games and seemed more consistent. I remember JPP being a ghost far to often and his garbage time sacks more than anything. The whole hand thing was unfortunate, who knows how much better he could've been had he not gone thoruhg any of that.
tough question though.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Aug 24, 2018 17:45:39 GMT -5
JPP seemed more energetic and relentless than Osi; however Osi was opposite of Tuck which imo made Osi more of a threat than JPP.
I would go with Game Times comment: "they are a wash"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 17:51:09 GMT -5
JPP's "prime" was basically one monster season, the rest were just average.
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Post by jay051 on Aug 24, 2018 17:57:38 GMT -5
This is an interesting question for a number of reasons.
First, Osi's career seemed much longer to me than JPP's. Second, I know that Osi didn't understand the concept of "staying home" leaving gaping running lanes in pursuit of sacks. I am surprised at the number of sack by JPP.
Can I choose neither of them? I seem to think of their flaws before I can get to their positive qualities.
Gun to my head, I would call JPP a more complete player but Osi brings a smile to my face when I hear that name.......the opposite is true with JPP.
Interesting question.. This is a great reply. Osi would completely sell out for a sack and would be a joy for opposing RB's. The sheer amount of turnovers he generated compensated for this though. Osi pre injury was solid against the run. JPP overall was better against the run than Osi but Osi was a better pass rusher. Take away JPP's 2011 season and Im not so sure many would take him over Osi. Just MO. Good debate though since they were both great players for us. |
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Post by jay051 on Aug 24, 2018 18:03:43 GMT -5
JPP's "prime" was basically one monster season, the rest were just average. He had a few other decent seasons. I thought his rookie year was solid too. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 24, 2018 19:24:49 GMT -5
At their best, both were great in spots.
Given a choice, even in retrospect, I would pass on both of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 20:55:26 GMT -5
At their best, both were great in spots. Given a choice, even in retrospect, I would pass on both of them. 2011: Yeah without JPP we dont win the SB. His 16.5 sacks and being generally consider one of the best defensive players in football was kind of important. No? 2007: Osi's 13.5 sacks and 5 forced fumbles were strangely important to yet another SB run. Who needs SB's eh Jomo? Isn't Eli generally considered great for his play during that time? or in "spots"? Dont change Jomo |
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Post by Eazy E on Aug 25, 2018 7:54:04 GMT -5
Tough one, Osi was more of a vocal leader for the team. JPP was a genetic tumbling freak.
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Post by nick030567 on Aug 25, 2018 8:26:26 GMT -5
JPP was amazing in 2011, and was always consistently good against the run. I think he would've been a more consistent pass rusher if he had better players around him. But one thing many people forget about Osi is that he was indeed both a great pass rusher and run defender from 2004-2007. When he came back from that injury (2008) he was never the same. He was a pure pass rusher and was very bad against the run. People totally forget how good he was defending the run his first few seasons and only remember the bad.
It's hard to choose between the two, I'd probably choose the player Umenyiora was from 2004-2007.
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