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Post by GameTime on Aug 25, 2018 8:30:28 GMT -5
Giants had their full second string OL in on that series. I know they had the whole second team in top to bottom Shurmer wasn't kidding when he said he wants every player on the roster to have a chance to show them and the other 31 teams what they got, back on subject tho I think it was Grecco playing on Jones right. think Jerry was RG Greco LG
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2018 8:34:27 GMT -5
I know they had the whole second team in top to bottom Shurmer wasn't kidding when he said he wants every player on the roster to have a chance to show them and the other 31 teams what they got, back on subject tho I think it was Grecco playing on Jones right. think Jerry was RG Greco LG If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side.
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Post by Speedman on Aug 25, 2018 8:36:10 GMT -5
Giants had their full second string OL in on that series. I know they had the whole second team in top to bottom Shurmer wasn't kidding when he said he wants every player on the roster to have a chance to show them and the other 31 teams what they got, back on subject tho I think it was Grecco playing on Jones right. I thought Greco was on the left and Jerry on the right.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 25, 2018 8:36:56 GMT -5
think Jerry was RG Greco LG If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. the whole second team as a unit looked better. The ones it was the GCG combo that stunk. Mostly C and RG. I like Halapio but he may not be ready yet. Good depth but Jones may be the better option
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2018 8:42:46 GMT -5
If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. the whole second team as a unit looked better. The ones it was the GCG combo that stunk. Mostly C and RG. I like Halapio but he may not be ready yet. Good depth but Jones may be the better option Agree think Jones is just an excellent technician,and can get to the second level, right guard is not Omameh's natural position hopefully he will get better or they will find better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2018 8:46:40 GMT -5
think Jerry was RG Greco LG If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. Actually, it was when he got in at LG that he played much better, if I remember correctly. He was originally the starting RG, and Fluker got moved to that spot I believe.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2018 8:59:18 GMT -5
If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. Actually, it was when he got in at LG that he played much better, if I remember correctly. He was originally the starting RG, and Fluker got moved to that spot I believe. I got it crossed up then, think Omameh is better on the left so if they make no change hopefully he will get better, for me Jones seems to have played better every time he gets a chance at center then the people slotted ahead of him last year Richberg this year don't thinks it's even close with Halapio.
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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2018 9:00:29 GMT -5
think Jerry was RG Greco LG If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. Jerry is a good guard. Bobby Hart and Newhouse made him look bad.. . He also was good on the lest side. I think his run blocking was much better on the left side. In fact EF's game improved next to JJ.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2018 9:06:36 GMT -5
If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. Jerry is a good guard. Bobby Hart and Newhouse made him look bad.. . He also was good on the lest side. I think his run blocking was much better on the left side. In fact EF's game improved next to JJ. there are options no doubt,I think Jones should be given a shot seems like when he's in he's in control,halapio nothing against him but seems to me that Jones is just a better center at this point that would solidify the whole line.
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Post by jb456 on Aug 25, 2018 10:53:32 GMT -5
think Jerry was RG Greco LG If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. I saw Omameh getting abused and I was on the Omameh train when they signed him. I watched a bunch of games from last year after the Giants picked him up. I wasn't watching highlights and it looked like he got decent push last year. What I saw is a lot different then what I saw last night. Hopefully he wasn't feeling well last night because he was playing like a skid mark....
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Post by bringsimmsback on Aug 25, 2018 10:58:55 GMT -5
Those of you saying the second unit looked better: was Smith in there the with the 1s? I saw him with at least a few plays in the second 1/2 with the second unit and wonder if he had an impact. Also, wonder if they just made some adjustments that improved the results. In other words, I'm not sure we can attribute it all to the 2s just somehow being better despite weeks of practice suggesting otherwise.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 25, 2018 11:35:53 GMT -5
If thats the case he should be given a shot to compete for the job, that might get a spark under omameh but, never thought I would be saying this but Jerry did play better last year on the right side. I saw Omameh getting abused and I was on the Omameh train when they signed him. I watched a bunch of games from last year after the Giants picked him up. I wasn't watching highlights and it looked like he got decent push last year. What I saw is a lot different then what I saw last night. Hopefully he wasn't feeling well last night because he was playing like a skid mark.... said this a few times he played left last year maybe he will get better once he settles in.
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Post by GameTime on Aug 25, 2018 11:41:02 GMT -5
Those of you saying the second unit looked better: was Smith in there the with the 1s? I saw him with at least a few plays in the second 1/2 with the second unit and wonder if he had an impact. Also, wonder if they just made some adjustments that improved the results. In other words, I'm not sure we can attribute it all to the 2s just somehow being better despite weeks of practice suggesting otherwise. well the running game improved a fair amount. Webb had ok time to throw too......mostly. I dont remember who was at LT. Wheeler was RT.....man he is a big but kinda soft. Greco at LG, Jones at C, and Jerry at RG. At least at the beginning of the 3rd quarter.
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Post by DandyDon on Aug 25, 2018 12:45:07 GMT -5
I saw at least 3 times our RB getting hit behind the OL. As usual.
The pass pro was better, but the run blocking was horrible.
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Post by PennState1 on Aug 25, 2018 13:01:18 GMT -5
Team cut downs will be very interesting this year. I’d be schooled if we don’t pick up at least one lineman
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Post by goldenratio on Aug 25, 2018 13:21:38 GMT -5
Team cut downs will be very interesting this year. I’d be schooled if we don’t pick up at least one lineman yeah man...just started reading some articles today on possible cuts for some teams.... some good players or rookies with potential etc. will be cut. Do the The G men get second crack after the browns? Not sure how cut downs work. In the vikings game the announcers were talking about the vikings possibly cutting db holton hill b/c their db group is so strong.... WRs auden tate and braxton berrios are potential cuts from what i read... those were a couple that stuck out to me personally. should be plenty of talented players to choose from, who could become hidden gems or wash out but it should be interesting would not surprise to see a cb and or OL added for a late round draft pick like what was done with cochrell last season. I like that we have only 1 cut down day and there will be a boatload of guys to choose from. We'll see if the NYG talent evaluators can earn their keep. Last season cap capi was picked up but the coaches never gave him a chance, which pissed me off b/c i thought he was a good player>>>> www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-its-time-to-give-cap-capi-a-regular-season-shot-in-the-nflhopefully we find a hidden gem again this year and the coaching staff is wiser.
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Post by Easy E on Aug 25, 2018 14:36:47 GMT -5
One more game before they really matter and I want to see Brett Jones in there at C with the 1st string O-line at least once this preseason. Shurmur mentioned something just last week about the starting O-line lineup not be settled yet, so the onus is on him even more so to move some pieces around and find the best combination before the games really count. If he's so in love with Halapio, try him at RG over Omameh. Try Jerry over Omameh too. The experimenting should've been tried in game already. We did the whole "start em because the GM signed em or drafted em high regardless if someone else plays better" thing for years, and it cost us last year, and brass didn't figure out how idiotic that was until it was way to late. Please tell me that won't be the case this season. P.S. - that sort of thing can come from ownership, who understandably want to see returns on their bigger investments, but good business men know when to hold em and when to fold em, and I'd run fast in the opposite direction from J Stewart at this point (probably faster than he could. Ouch!). EXCELLENT post. I was just about to start a thread regarding this very issue.
Somebody, anybody, please help me understand why in God's name Brent Jones is 2nd string???!!! This guy has great technique, feet, finishes his blocks, good wide solid base, gets to the 2nd level better than Halapio, etc.. It is mind boggling to watch. Jones pancaked his defender twice last night. Other than a size advantage, I for the life of me can't see why Shurmur favors Halapio over Jones. I've heard Halapio is a great communicator with the line as far as making checks, adjustments, etc. Could that just be it? Shurmur played center and helped turn around the Vikings line last season, so I do give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to evaluating the center position, but man I am really struggling to comprehend the deal with starting Halapio over Jones.
I watched in frustration last season DJ Fluker ride the bench while crushing it during preseason and it was apparent he should have been starting. I'm with you NoEye, I don't want to see that crap happen again this year. The best 11 should start and the best 53 should make the team, regardless of salary, seniority, having incriminating pictures of the owner, etc..
YA Tittle or anyone that can provide any insight, it would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Aug 25, 2018 15:17:39 GMT -5
Those of you saying the second unit looked better: was Smith in there the with the 1s? I saw him with at least a few plays in the second 1/2 with the second unit and wonder if he had an impact. Also, wonder if they just made some adjustments that improved the results. In other words, I'm not sure we can attribute it all to the 2s just somehow being better despite weeks of practice suggesting otherwise. well the running game improved a fair amount. Webb had ok time to throw too......mostly. I dont remember who was at LT. Wheeler was RT.....man he is a big but kinda soft. Greco at LG, Jones at C, and Jerry at RG. At least at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. Smith is the FB. Just wondering if having FB was a difference.
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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 25, 2018 17:17:26 GMT -5
It's not easy to build from a 3-13 team. Going to take awhile. I think we will still be drafting somewhere in the top ten and can still snag a QB next year. Anyone thinking this team is going to the playoffs is dreaming. We have a 38 year old QB who will wear down over the 16 game season and not much behind him. We still have Apple, Flowers and a few other meatballs. It's going to take a few years before we can draft our way to a better team. Reese has really put this team in a hole!
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Post by GameTime on Aug 26, 2018 7:54:12 GMT -5
well the running game improved a fair amount. Webb had ok time to throw too......mostly. I dont remember who was at LT. Wheeler was RT.....man he is a big but kinda soft. Greco at LG, Jones at C, and Jerry at RG. At least at the beginning of the 3rd quarter. Smith is the FB. Just wondering if having FB was a difference. great point. I am sure it didnt hurt.
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Post by Merc on Aug 26, 2018 15:49:50 GMT -5
Eli wasn't sacked at all tonight. He had a clean pocket for most of the first half. The pass protection was solid. It's going to take time for the run game to settle down. The Jets have a very good front. Overall, I didn't see anything to panic about. I agree. Eli had a lot more time in the pocket. The run game was played with backups.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 17:53:10 GMT -5
yet 3 months ago The homers all said we will not have oline issue?
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