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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 11:57:30 GMT -5
What's not to follow? During FA, everyone will still be thinking Chase Young to the Skins. So, DG will look to sign a pass rusher. But draft day, that all changes. DG will not let Chase Young get by us. Wouldn't your scenario make Gettleman look a bit foolish - misjudging other GMs' early first round draft picks, overpaying for Clowney in a panic to attain some pass rush, then picking pass rusher anyway in first round, and not addressing O-line with either big FA or first round semi-sure fix along there? Again, going from inadequate pass rush personnel to these two is mighty enticing - but the moves to do it seem contradictory.
So, Gettleman doesn't do things out of panic that are contradictory? I'm saying that no matter who we get in FA, if Young is there, we will draft him. There are good o-linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rd. AND we hired a great o-line coach.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 4, 2020 12:01:06 GMT -5
I'm on board.
I'm guessing that Seattle will try real hard to re-sign Clowney.
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 4, 2020 12:06:02 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:07:53 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. So his contract isn't structured so they can opt out the last couple of years? How dumb on them!!
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 4, 2020 12:10:22 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. What if they took Tua and traded Stafford? Got to think they could get at least a #1 for Stafford ....
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 4, 2020 12:11:17 GMT -5
I REALLY want a trade back this year.
If we stay put, though, my feeling right not (3 months before draft) is that Wills could be the pick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:13:31 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. I disagree that there isn't a QB worth trading up for and Stafford is constantly injured. He's no good to anyone if he isn't playing.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 4, 2020 12:15:11 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. So his contract isn't structured so they can opt out the last couple of years? How dumb on them!! There’s a potential out in ‘21. The dead cap would be $19 million. If the Lions want a QB, they draft one this year, let him sit behind Stafford for a season and then release him and insert the kid in 2021. The Lions are dumb, just not Cleveland Browns dumb..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:15:16 GMT -5
Here it is, fans. The moment you've all waited for since about an hour and a half ago. Who will be Fbomb's magic pick? Well, this year, I'm going to do something a little different and also predict Gettleman's FA splash. Disclaimer.....these predictions came to me in an Oxy/Pineapple Express induced coma. I cannot be held responsible for any lost wages with Vegas. Place your bets responsibly. Based on the story line that the Redskins will select Chase Young in the draft, the Giants will make their big FA splash with a pass rusher. Of course, the 3 big names to choose from are Barrett, Clowney and Ngakoue. Barrett was on a one year "show me" deal and he defiantly "showed" everybody. Expect TB to sign him long term. Ngakoue was a hold out risk last year and is still a long way from reaching an agreement with Jax. Those negotiations will scare off potential suitors, including Dave Gettleman. So, my FA splash pick......the Giants will overpay for Clowney. Next up....the draft. Washington will trade out of the #2 spot for a boatload of picks from a QB hungry team and Detroit will select what they hope will be Stafford's eventual replacement. The dude is made of glass. So, that's 3 QB's going 1, 2 and 3 and Chase Young will fall into our laps at #4. Gettleman will be inundated with trade offers but will be steadfast and choose the next player "touched by the hand of God." Chase Young will be our pick at #4. With rounds 2 and 3 used for OT and C. So, there it is. You may flame away when ready. Andrew Thomas or Jeff Okudah. We badly need a LT and CB, which are two of three premium draft positions. I'd be floored if DG took a LB/S hybrid or RT at 4. Thomas is the only offensive tackle that could pan out to be a LT, and if things dont work out, at worst he's a solid RT. He seems to fit the DG mold of what he wants in a lineman. Thomas/Hernandez are pretty similar players, and would devastate defenses in the run game. Thomas also gives us alot of flexibility. Could play RT this year if we needed while Solder is on the book, or immediately to LT, and slide Solder to RT. I actually like Simmons. I would be ok with that pick
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Post by Dogecoin on Feb 4, 2020 12:23:31 GMT -5
no one @3 to make Lions eat Stafford's contract, but keep dreaming
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:31:05 GMT -5
So his contract isn't structured so they can opt out the last couple of years? How dumb on them!! There’s a potential out in ‘21. The dead cap would be $19 million. If the Lions want a QB, they draft one this year, let him sit behind Stafford for a season and then release him and insert the kid in 2021. The Lions are dumb, just not Cleveland Browns dumb.. That's what I was thinking also.. Lets hope they take one..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 12:33:25 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. What if they took Tua and traded Stafford? Got to think they could get at least a #1 for Stafford .... I think there is a chance they would keep Stafford for a year in case Tau isn't healthy in September.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 4, 2020 12:35:50 GMT -5
What's not to follow? During FA, everyone will still be thinking Chase Young to the Skins. So, DG will look to sign a pass rusher. But draft day, that all changes. DG will not let Chase Young get by us. Wouldn't your scenario make Gettleman look a bit foolish - misjudging other GMs' early first round draft picks, overpaying for Clowney in a panic to attain some pass rush, then picking pass rusher anyway in first round, and not addressing O-line with either big FA or first round semi-sure fix along there? Again, going from inadequate pass rush personnel to these two is mighty enticing - but the moves to do it seem contradictory.
You can never have enough pass rushers
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 4, 2020 12:40:48 GMT -5
Not necessarily... Earl Thomas Anthony Barr Justin Houston KJ Wright Tyrann Mathieu Preston Smith Lamarcus Joyner Ziggy Ansah Tevin Coeman Daryl Williams Jordan Hick Kwon Alexander Malik Jackson Mark Ingram These are all guys that signed contracts between $5 mil and $12 mil per year...last year. The Giants could use just about anyone one of them. Just about every one of those guys is on the downside of their career. Justin Houston? Hes like 35.....Tevin Coleman or Mark Ingram? We have Saquon.....I guess you could make a case for Tyrann, maybe.
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 4, 2020 12:48:43 GMT -5
The idea of young falling has already been floated out there in a few places so this isnt a new revelation, but not happening. Trading back with a Qb needy team is the most likely scenario if they don’t stand pat at 4.
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 4, 2020 12:49:12 GMT -5
Andrew Thomas or Jeff Okudah. We badly need a LT and CB, which are two of three premium draft positions. I'd be floored if DG took a LB/S hybrid or RT at 4. Thomas is the only offensive tackle that could pan out to be a LT, and if things dont work out, at worst he's a solid RT. He seems to fit the DG mold of what he wants in a lineman. Thomas/Hernandez are pretty similar players, and would devastate defenses in the run game. Thomas also gives us alot of flexibility. Could play RT this year if we needed while Solder is on the book, or immediately to LT, and slide Solder to RT. I actually like Simmons. I would be ok with that pick Id be pissed. A tweener at 4? Were not even talking a DE/OLB tweener that could potentially be an impactful pass rusher, were talking about a LB/S tweener? Hes 225 lbs, so where does he play? He's too small for a LB, teams will scheme to run right at him.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 4, 2020 12:51:24 GMT -5
What if they took Tua and traded Stafford? Got to think they could get at least a #1 for Stafford .... I think there is a chance they would keep Stafford for a year in case Tau isn't healthy in September. Could be ... the thing weighing against Detroit drafting a QB is that the owner has put Quinn and Patricia on notice that they need to start winning....
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Post by hadenough on Feb 4, 2020 12:53:30 GMT -5
Not necessarily... Earl Thomas Anthony Barr Justin Houston KJ Wright Tyrann Mathieu Preston Smith Lamarcus Joyner Ziggy Ansah Tevin Coeman Daryl Williams Jordan Hick Kwon Alexander Malik Jackson Mark Ingram These are all guys that signed contracts between $5 mil and $12 mil per year...last year. The Giants could use just about anyone one of them. Just about every one of those guys is on the downside of their career. Justin Houston? Hes like 35.....Tevin Coleman or Mark Ingram? We have Saquon.....I guess you could make a case for Tyrann, maybe. They're all between 26-31 years old. Which is basically the age for free agents. And yes...the Giants need another RB. Point is...there are always solid players available near that pricing point. Also...you realize Clowney is 26, right?
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Post by Bigjeep on Feb 4, 2020 12:54:40 GMT -5
Here it is, fans. The moment you've all waited for since about an hour and a half ago. Who will be Fbomb's magic pick? Well, this year, I'm going to do something a little different and also predict Gettleman's FA splash. Disclaimer.....these predictions came to me in an Oxy/Pineapple Express induced coma. I cannot be held responsible for any lost wages with Vegas. Place your bets responsibly. Based on the story line that the Redskins will select Chase Young in the draft, the Giants will make their big FA splash with a pass rusher. Of course, the 3 big names to choose from are Barrett, Clowney and Ngakoue. Barrett was on a one year "show me" deal and he definitely "showed" everybody. Expect TB to sign him long term. Ngakoue was a hold out risk last year and is still a long way from reaching an agreement with Jax. Those negotiations will scare off potential suitors, including Dave Gettleman. So, my FA splash pick......the Giants will overpay for Clowney. Next up....the draft. Washington will trade out of the #2 spot for a boatload of picks from a QB hungry team and Detroit will select what they hope will be Stafford's eventual replacement. The dude is made of glass. So, that's 3 QB's going 1, 2 and 3 and Chase Young will fall into our laps at #4. Gettleman will be inundated with trade offers but will be steadfast and choose the next player "touched by the hand of God." Chase Young will be our pick at #4. With rounds 2 and 3 used for OT and C. So, there it is. You may flame away when ready. Young didn't impress at all in the Bowl Game! Looked pedestrian to me!
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 4, 2020 13:10:29 GMT -5
Wouldn't your scenario make Gettleman look a bit foolish - misjudging other GMs' early first round draft picks, overpaying for Clowney in a panic to attain some pass rush, then picking pass rusher anyway in first round, and not addressing O-line with either big FA or first round semi-sure fix along there? Again, going from inadequate pass rush personnel to these two is mighty enticing - but the moves to do it seem contradictory.
So, Gettleman doesn't do things out of panic that are contradictory? I'm saying that no matter who we get in FA, if Young is there, we will draft him. There are good o-linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rd. AND we hired a great o-line coach. So there are worse things on the world than signing a big name pass.rusher and have Young fall into our laps and assuming we bring Williams back.. That already is a formidable front 7(especially if Connely is as good as new and a mid round linebacker/Carter step up)
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Post by DandyDon on Feb 4, 2020 14:37:22 GMT -5
Wouldn't your scenario make Gettleman look a bit foolish - misjudging other GMs' early first round draft picks, overpaying for Clowney in a panic to attain some pass rush, then picking pass rusher anyway in first round, and not addressing O-line with either big FA or first round semi-sure fix along there? Again, going from inadequate pass rush personnel to these two is mighty enticing - but the moves to do it seem contradictory.
You can never have enough pass rushers Especially if none of them are exceptional.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 14:47:44 GMT -5
I think there is a chance they would keep Stafford for a year in case Tau isn't healthy in September. Could be ... the thing weighing against Detroit drafting a QB is that the owner has put Quinn and Patricia on notice that they need to start winning.... They should be.. With them not taking a QB could open up a chance for the Giants to trade back..
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Post by lt56 on Feb 4, 2020 14:50:15 GMT -5
Trade Down a few spots to a team looking to get a QB before it is a run on QB's and they miss out on the guys they want
For our Needs especially for a Lineman, Linebacker, Edge Rusher or Receiver... the Giants for sure can trade back a few spots, pick up more picks and still get their guy after trading back
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 4, 2020 15:14:43 GMT -5
Here it is, fans. The moment you've all waited for since about an hour and a half ago. Who will be Fbomb's magic pick? Well, this year, I'm going to do something a little different and also predict Gettleman's FA splash. Disclaimer.....these predictions came to me in an Oxy/Pineapple Express induced coma. I cannot be held responsible for any lost wages with Vegas. Place your bets responsibly. Based on the story line that the Redskins will select Chase Young in the draft, the Giants will make their big FA splash with a pass rusher. Of course, the 3 big names to choose from are Barrett, Clowney and Ngakoue. Barrett was on a one year "show me" deal and he definitely "showed" everybody. Expect TB to sign him long term. Ngakoue was a hold out risk last year and is still a long way from reaching an agreement with Jax. Those negotiations will scare off potential suitors, including Dave Gettleman. So, my FA splash pick......the Giants will overpay for Clowney. Next up....the draft. Washington will trade out of the #2 spot for a boatload of picks from a QB hungry team and Detroit will select what they hope will be Stafford's eventual replacement. The dude is made of glass. So, that's 3 QB's going 1, 2 and 3 and Chase Young will fall into our laps at #4. Gettleman will be inundated with trade offers but will be steadfast and choose the next player "touched by the hand of God." Chase Young will be our pick at #4. With rounds 2 and 3 used for OT and C. So, there it is. You may flame away when ready.
Bold move putting your Nostradamus title at stake like that.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 4, 2020 15:15:06 GMT -5
Could be ... the thing weighing against Detroit drafting a QB is that the owner has put Quinn and Patricia on notice that they need to start winning.... They should be.. With them not taking a QB could open up a chance for the Giants to trade back.. Agreed, but Detroit could also trade back with a QB needy team, which means that we would then need a second QB needy team looking to trade up for the #3 QB in the draft (assuming that the #2 QB is taken at pick #3 by the team that traded up with Detroit).
Lots of moving parts.
Best case scenario for a trade back for us: Detroit stays put and drafts a non-QB.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Feb 4, 2020 15:34:29 GMT -5
there's no QB worth trading up to #3 for ... and Stafford is locked up for 3 more years. A defensive guy like Patricia will use the pick to take young. if the Giants didn't have Jones I would like to pick Tua.
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Feb 4, 2020 15:35:09 GMT -5
As of right now in torn between Simmons and Thomas.
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 4, 2020 15:35:41 GMT -5
I'm confident that we won't be picking Simmons. Both Kiper and McShay have us picking him in their initial mocks.
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Post by fifthavephil on Feb 4, 2020 15:55:09 GMT -5
I'm confident that we won't be picking Simmons. Both Kiper and McShay have us picking him in their initial mocks. Unless, Giants trade down
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Feb 4, 2020 15:55:56 GMT -5
I'm confident that we won't be picking Simmons. Both Kiper and McShay have us picking him in their initial mocks. I could see the Giants going many ways with the pick, but Simmons is a stud man hes a great player.
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