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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 11:04:31 GMT -5
I feel like these two guys are being forgotten as possibilities for us in the event that we can't find a trade back partner, when they are likely to be the two highest rated players on the board at 4 (if they are even there).
I would be fine with Okudah at 4, but Brown would be a head-scratcher, especially if we re-sign Williams after using a first-rounder on Lawrence last year. But Brown seems a lot like a Gettleman pick ....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 11:16:35 GMT -5
It would be so Gettleman going Brown. Brown appears to be a monster on the inside. He is going to be a beast. Yet, for our team, I dont think we need to use the #4 pick on another DT. Out of those 2 ID rather Okudah, but I dont want to go CB again. Without a pass rush, these guys are getting toasted. Apple, Ross, Prince, Baker. Thats a lot of 1st round picks at CB the past 10 years or so. None lived up to the hype (Baker is still young).
I would hope for Thomas at 4 if we arent trading back and Young is off the board.
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 11:18:34 GMT -5
I would not be a fan of either of these picks. We took 4 corners in the last draft.
Baker pick 30
We gave up pick 70 to get Beal in the Supplemental
Love 108
Ballantine 180
If we re-sign Williams . Our D-line with the rotation of Hill and McIntosh is set.
For me it is this order if we do not trade out of the pick
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 11:32:11 GMT -5
I would not be a fan of either of these picks. We took 4 corners in the last draft. Baker pick 30 We gave up pick 70 to get Beal in the Supplemental Love 108 Ballantine 180 If we re-sign Williams . Our D-line with the rotation of Hill and McIntosh is set. For me it is this order if we do not trade out of the pick OT Edge MLB We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Feb 24, 2020 11:34:06 GMT -5
I feel like these two guys are being forgotten as possibilities for us in the event that we can't find a trade back partner, when they are likely to be the two highest rated players on the board at 4 (if they are even there).
I would be fine with Okudah at 4, but Brown would be a head-scratcher, especially if we re-sign Williams after using a first-rounder on Lawrence last year. But Brown seems a lot like a Gettleman pick ....
For me, it all comes down to how closely rated the available OTs are to Okudah. If close, give me the OT who will be a staple of our line for 10 to 13 years over the corner who will lock down 1/2 the field for 8 to 10. I rank both positions pretty closely but have OT slightly higher and have noted how hard finding a good OT has been for us. That said, I wouldn't question the pick if it is Okudah. Brown? That would make sense to me only if he is rated much higher than Okudah/OT of choice and, as you put forth, we can't trade back. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 11:36:31 GMT -5
I would not be a fan of either of these picks. We took 4 corners in the last draft. Baker pick 30 We gave up pick 70 to get Beal in the Supplemental Love 108 Ballantine 180 If we re-sign Williams . Our D-line with the rotation of Hill and McIntosh is set. For me it is this order if we do not trade out of the pick OT Edge MLB We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT I think CB isnt a huge hole to a point we need to go CB in the 1st round. Yes they are young, but we have a lot invested already at CB. Baker needs to be a starter next year. We could spend some money on CB in FA in case Ballentine and Beal flame out. |
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 24, 2020 11:47:02 GMT -5
I would not be a fan of either of these picks. We took 4 corners in the last draft. Baker pick 30 We gave up pick 70 to get Beal in the Supplemental Love 108 Ballantine 180 If we re-sign Williams . Our D-line with the rotation of Hill and McIntosh is set. For me it is this order if we do not trade out of the pick OT Edge MLB We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT Okudah is a stud!!! He would be our best CB, maybe ever. FAR more talented than a Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Eli Apple or DeAndre Baker. Id be happy with the pick, this is a passing league. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 12:04:14 GMT -5
We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT Okudah is a stud!!! He would be our best CB, maybe ever. FAR more talented than a Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Eli Apple or DeAndre Baker. Id be happy with the pick, this is a passing league. What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 12:07:42 GMT -5
I would not be a fan of either of these picks. We took 4 corners in the last draft. Baker pick 30 We gave up pick 70 to get Beal in the Supplemental Love 108 Ballantine 180 If we re-sign Williams . Our D-line with the rotation of Hill and McIntosh is set. For me it is this order if we do not trade out of the pick OT Edge MLB I would be as livid with both(unless we let Williams walk but then I'd be livid that we spent a 2020 4th overall and a 2020 3rd and 2021 5th on him in effect) Way too much draft assets to one position if we take Okudah Would seriously dislike a WR but could understand more as our group going into 2020 Is Slayton,Shephard(concussion issues)and Tate (getting old and expensive),though would highly question what good would it be if we dont fix the line first. I'd be very annoyed/frightened with Simmons ( yes we can use a linebacker. If Bush,White,Kuechly,a healthy Jaylon Smith type was there at 4 I'd be more than OK,not an athlete that alternates between Wow plays and then being on the highline real for being so out of position that he is ybe cause for a huge play/TD) Edge rusher or one of the OTs please |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 12:09:03 GMT -5
We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT I think CB isnt a huge hole to a point we need to go CB in the 1st round. Yes they are young, but we have a lot invested already at CB. Baker needs to be a starter next year. We could spend some money on CB in FA in case Ballentine and Beal flame out. Get Byron Jones or a Logan Ryan... We have so many young pups..throwing another rookie out there with this group is asking for trouble |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 12:12:41 GMT -5
Okudah is a stud!!! He would be our best CB, maybe ever. FAR more talented than a Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Eli Apple or DeAndre Baker. Id be happy with the pick, this is a passing league. What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. Exactly Now if we have kept the pre arranged trade with Green Bay and taken a tackle(Risner I loved,the guy from Oklahoma,ect)Okudah would probably be the top guy on my list as we wouldn't have taken Baker(that was such a Booger take)..up there maybe with Lamb.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:14:32 GMT -5
I think CB isnt a huge hole to a point we need to go CB in the 1st round. Yes they are young, but we have a lot invested already at CB. Baker needs to be a starter next year. We could spend some money on CB in FA in case Ballentine and Beal flame out. Get Byron Jones or a Logan Ryan... We have so many young pups..throwing another rookie out there with this group is asking for trouble How about bringing back Prince?? He should be cheaper and hopefully would only be needed for this season.. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 12:15:20 GMT -5
I think CB isnt a huge hole to a point we need to go CB in the 1st round. Yes they are young, but we have a lot invested already at CB. Baker needs to be a starter next year. We could spend some money on CB in FA in case Ballentine and Beal flame out. Get Byron Jones or a Logan Ryan... We have so many young pups..throwing another rookie out there with this group is asking for trouble We dont even need a top CB. Just get a solid vet or 2 who knows what to do. The big money and high draft picks should go to OL and pass rushers. If we get a legit pass rusher or 2, the DBs will look 100X better. |
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 24, 2020 12:30:24 GMT -5
Okudah is a stud!!! He would be our best CB, maybe ever. FAR more talented than a Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Eli Apple or DeAndre Baker. Id be happy with the pick, this is a passing league. What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. We dont pick CBs high every draft. We have a fringe 1st/2nd rounder, a 3rd round supplemental pick that can barely get out of bed without getting injured, and a 6th rounder that was bad last year. No/terrible depth there. Its a premium position that has a steep learning curve with a generally high bust rate. Literally the only reason I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning. We just had a complete overhaul at the position, and were a Baker injury away from trotting out UDFAs there again this year without a contingency plan. Whats that going to be? Drafting another 5th/6th rounder that cant cut it? And whos to say Baker doesnt go back to 1st half of 2019 Baker? Id actually say its our biggest need. CB. LT. C. WR. LB. |
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 12:39:33 GMT -5
We have so many holes that I feel like I can make a case for any position except for QB, RB, DT Okudah is a stud!!! He would be our best CB, maybe ever. FAR more talented than a Corey Webster, Aaron Ross, Eli Apple or DeAndre Baker. Id be happy with the pick, this is a passing league. ... and if Baker turns out to be good, we could have this position locked down at a reasonable price for 4-5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 12:41:34 GMT -5
What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. We dont pick CBs high every draft. We have a fringe 1st/2nd rounder, a 3rd round supplemental pick that can barely get out of bed without getting injured, and a 6th rounder that was bad last year. No/terrible depth there. Its a premium position that has a steep learning curve with a generally high bust rate. Literally the only reason I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning. We just had a complete overhaul at the position, and were a Baker injury away from trotting out UDFAs there again this year without a contingency plan. Whats that going to be? Drafting another 5th/6th rounder that cant cut it? And whos to say Baker doesnt go back to 1st half of 2019 Baker? Id actually say its our biggest need. CB. LT. C. WR. LB. The Giants really need to stop hoping some 3rd round prospects will become good pass rushers because they aren't. I say LT and Pass rushers are the biggest need.. |
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 12:43:54 GMT -5
What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. We dont pick CBs high every draft. We have a fringe 1st/2nd rounder, a 3rd round supplemental pick that can barely get out of bed without getting injured, and a 6th rounder that was bad last year. No/terrible depth there. Its a premium position that has a steep learning curve with a generally high bust rate. Literally the only reason I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning. We just had a complete overhaul at the position, and were a Baker injury away from trotting out UDFAs there again this year without a contingency plan. Whats that going to be? Drafting another 5th/6th rounder that cant cut it? And whos to say Baker doesnt go back to 1st half of 2019 Baker? Id actually say its our biggest need. CB. LT. C. WR. LB. I agree that our CB's are way overrated on this MB. It is definitely a position of need. |
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 12:46:57 GMT -5
We dont pick CBs high every draft. We have a fringe 1st/2nd rounder, a 3rd round supplemental pick that can barely get out of bed without getting injured, and a 6th rounder that was bad last year. No/terrible depth there. Its a premium position that has a steep learning curve with a generally high bust rate. Literally the only reason I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning. We just had a complete overhaul at the position, and were a Baker injury away from trotting out UDFAs there again this year without a contingency plan. Whats that going to be? Drafting another 5th/6th rounder that cant cut it? And whos to say Baker doesnt go back to 1st half of 2019 Baker? Id actually say its our biggest need. CB. LT. C. WR. LB. The Giants really need to stop hoping some 3rd round prospects will become good pass rushers because they aren't. I say LT and Pass rushers are the biggest need.. The problem is that unless Chase Young miraculously drops to 4, there is no pass rusher worth taking at that spot. |
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 12:48:14 GMT -5
What about next year 2021? (Shaun Wade) How about the next 2022? (Derek Stingley Jr.) Do we just keep picking Corners? You cannot build a quality team picking corners high in every draft. A football team has 19 other positions that also need to be addressed. We dont pick CBs high every draft. We have a fringe 1st/2nd rounder, a 3rd round supplemental pick that can barely get out of bed without getting injured, and a 6th rounder that was bad last year. No/terrible depth there. Its a premium position that has a steep learning curve with a generally high bust rate. Literally the only reason I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning . We just had a complete overhaul at the position, and were a Baker injury away from trotting out UDFAs there again this year without a contingency plan. Whats that going to be? Drafting another 5th/6th rounder that cant cut it? And whos to say Baker doesnt go back to 1st half of 2019 Baker? Id actually say its our biggest need. CB. LT. C. WR. LB. Lets take a look at the line you just wrote. I hear people say we dont need a CB, is bc weve spent so much draft capital there. Thats such weak reasoning.
So can I conclude by this logic If a player does not develop into a top corner in season one ( rookie year) Drafter another one? You are really going with that conclusion? OK. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Feb 24, 2020 13:02:35 GMT -5
Outside of the slim chance of Young falling to us, if we don't trade out, I'd prefer one of the OT's to Okuda, and Okuda over Simmons. I would not be upset if we do end up taking Okuda though, he looks like he could develop into a lock-down CB. they don't grow on trees either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 13:06:17 GMT -5
The Giants really need to stop hoping some 3rd round prospects will become good pass rushers because they aren't. I say LT and Pass rushers are the biggest need.. The problem is that unless Chase Young miraculously drops to 4, there is no pass rusher worth taking at that spot. I agree so the move would be to trade back. Looks like a LT will be the pick to make me happy.. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 13:07:25 GMT -5
Get Byron Jones or a Logan Ryan... We have so many young pups..throwing another rookie out there with this group is asking for trouble How about bringing back Prince?? He should be cheaper and hopefully would only be needed for this season.. You mean cracked egg 2.0? I have no idea about his health was after moving on but I seem to remember him always on the injury list with a hamstring or groin. To me Ryan is the perfect budget guy if we do this |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 13:16:27 GMT -5
The problem is that unless Chase Young miraculously drops to 4, there is no pass rusher worth taking at that spot. I agree so the move would be to trade back. Looks like a LT will be the pick to make me happy.. Start researching Chaisson from LSU I think after the combines he makes it into the top 10. I like him a lot more than most,but be reminds me of a lighter version of Danille Hunter. Watch this bitch fit this next statement causes But I would actually take him over Simmons,even at 4 . To me he is the only guy I would take on defense early(other than Young) FWIW He was the only guy to give Andrew Thomas trouble this year |
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 24, 2020 13:26:04 GMT -5
I agree so the move would be to trade back. Looks like a LT will be the pick to make me happy.. Start researching Chaisson from LSU I think after the combines he makes it into the top 10. I like him a lot more than most,but be reminds me of a lighter version of Danille Hunter. Watch this bitch fit this next statement causes But I would actually take him over Simmons,even at 4 . To me he is the only guy I would take on defense early(other than Young) FWIW He was the only guy to give Andrew Thomas trouble this year simmons all day over chaisson, Simmons is one of the best players in the draft, can do it all, and comes without the injury history. He can line up everywhere and has the production To back it up. He shows up in big games as well. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 13:26:28 GMT -5
Apparently he got over his health issues it seems (go figure) I mean he could be a bargain vet option I'd actually prefer Logan Ryan if we go this route as he also has a connection to Judge and he was kinda the defensive MVP for the Titans in the playoffs |
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 24, 2020 13:27:32 GMT -5
I agree so the move would be to trade back. Looks like a LT will be the pick to make me happy.. Start researching Chaisson from LSU I think after the combines he makes it into the top 10. I like him a lot more than most,but be reminds me of a lighter version of Danille Hunter. Watch this bitch fit this next statement causes But I would actually take him over Simmons,even at 4 . To me he is the only guy I would take on defense early(other than Young) FWIW He was the only guy to give Andrew Thomas trouble this year simmons all day over chaisson, Simmons is one of the best players in the draft, can do it all, and comes without the injury history. He can line up everywhere and has the production To back it up. He shows up in big games as well. |
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 24, 2020 13:29:56 GMT -5
I feel like these two guys are being forgotten as possibilities for us in the event that we can't find a trade back partner, when they are likely to be the two highest rated players on the board at 4 (if they are even there).
I would be fine with Okudah at 4, but Brown would be a head-scratcher, especially if we re-sign Williams after using a first-rounder on Lawrence last year. But Brown seems a lot like a Gettleman pick ....
For me, it all comes down to how closely rated the available OTs are to Okudah. If close, give me the OT who will be a staple of our line for 10 to 13 years over the corner who will lock down 1/2 the field for 8 to 10. I rank both positions pretty closely but have OT slightly higher and have noted how hard finding a good OT has been for us. That said, I wouldn't question the pick if it is Okudah. Brown? That would make sense to me only if he is rated much higher than Okudah/OT of choice and, as you put forth, we can't trade back. Okudah is way above any of these OT prospects. Especially when you can get an Ezra cleavland in the later rounds with not much drop off from the top guys. Okudah is a top 3 player in the draft. |
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 13:32:01 GMT -5
The problem is that unless Chase Young miraculously drops to 4, there is no pass rusher worth taking at that spot. I agree so the move would be to trade back. Looks like a LT will be the pick to make me happy.. That's my preferred scenario ... a trade back and selection of an OT |
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 13:42:28 GMT -5
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