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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 12:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 24, 2020 12:14:24 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending.
Time to lock up L Williams.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 12:37:40 GMT -5
Post by piddy283 on Feb 24, 2020 12:37:40 GMT -5
While I won't be completely upset if we sign a very young, very promising, well-rounded DE like Ngakoue, I prefer we spend the money elsewhere. Bring in a top tier LB and a C, or a CB and FS, for the same cost.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 12:52:24 GMT -5
Sounds like the Jags are going to tag him anyway
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 12:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 12:57:54 GMT -5
Sounds like the Jags are going to tag him anyway Thats what Im hearing. And just because he wants that $22m per doesnt mean any team would offer it, which they wont. I think he gets $15m per in open market.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 12:58:56 GMT -5
Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 12:58:56 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending. Time to lock up L Williams. IF Ngakoue is asking $22m, what do you think Williams wants/asking now? $25m?
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 13:00:16 GMT -5
While I won't be completely upset if we sign a very young, very promising, well-rounded DE like Ngakoue, I prefer we spend the money elsewhere. Bring in a top tier LB and a C, or a CB and FS, for the same cost. If we did this .It would make the JPP trade look horrible. Pay Yannick more money for less production. IMO: 22 million a year for Ngakoue is a boat anchor.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 13:32:04 GMT -5
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Post by lexington11 on Feb 24, 2020 13:32:04 GMT -5
While I won't be completely upset if we sign a very young, very promising, well-rounded DE like Ngakoue, I prefer we spend the money elsewhere. Bring in a top tier LB and a C, or a CB and FS, for the same cost. If we did this .It would make the JPP trade look horrible. Pay Yannick more money for less production. IMO: 22 million a year for Ngakoue is a boat anchor. hes over rated and can’t stop the run. Williams can’t sack the qb but pressures and can stuff the run.
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Post by TEM on Feb 24, 2020 13:35:51 GMT -5
If we did this .It would make the JPP trade look horrible. Pay Yannick more money for less production. IMO: 22 million a year for Ngakoue is a boat anchor. hes over rated and can’t stop the run. Williams can’t sack the qb but pressures and can stuff the run. We will get Williams for far less then 22. Yannick has already made his stance on what he thinks is value is. He may find some Team to pay him. We did it with OV.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 24, 2020 13:41:19 GMT -5
hes over rated and can’t stop the run. Williams can’t sack the qb but pressures and can stuff the run. We will get Williams for far less the 22. Yannick has already made his stance on what he thinks is value is. He may find some Team to pay him. We did it with OV. 14.5 for Wiiliams and bring in Littleton.... MLB now not a huge need and the middle of the defense is very solid
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 24, 2020 15:03:40 GMT -5
Sounds like the Jags are going to tag him anyway Thats what Im hearing. And just because he wants that $22m per doesnt mean any team would offer it, which they wont. I think he gets $15m per in open market. If Jerry didnt pony up for Lawrence, Yannick would never sniff this. Those two players are pretty similar. Id say hes getting at least 18 per.....pass rushers come at a premium $$ LW will get 13-14 me thinks.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 15:24:54 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 15:24:54 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending. Time to lock up L Williams. I don't think he is averaging 10 sacks a year, and he is part of a stacked front 7 no thank you
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 15:26:20 GMT -5
We will get Williams for far less the 22. Yannick has already made his stance on what he thinks is value is. He may find some Team to pay him. We did it with OV. 14.5 for Wiiliams and bring in Littleton.... MLB now not a huge need and the middle of the defense is very solid Pay Golden also I know it's a new system.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 15:28:44 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 15:28:44 GMT -5
hes over rated and can’t stop the run. Williams can’t sack the qb but pressures and can stuff the run. We will get Williams for far less then 22. Yannick has already made his stance on what he thinks is value is. He may find some Team to pay him. We did it with OV. He's better then OV rushing the passer but he has never been the lead dog think he needs to go somewhere that he has another legit pass rusher.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 15:32:31 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 15:32:31 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending. Time to lock up L Williams. IF Ngakoue is asking $22m, what do you think Williams wants/asking now? $25m? Where do you get this he isn't asking Donald money he already said it he is an interior player. He didn't say he wanted to beat Lawrences bench mark contract. where does this come from.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 15:48:33 GMT -5
Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 15:48:33 GMT -5
IF Ngakoue is asking $22m, what do you think Williams wants/asking now? $25m? Where do you get this he isn't asking Donald money he already said it he is an interior player. He didn't say he wanted to beat Lawrences bench mark contract. where does this come from. It was a question. Calm down. Im pretty sure Williams is going to want to be paid top dollar. He isnt going to go to FA to not get paid. What I was saying is Ngakoue wont get $22m a year. Thats ridiculous. He is starting up high at the top like a good negotiator does. Williams will do the same. He may ask for $20m a year. Doesnt mean he will get it. Look at this list: NFL's highest paid defensive linemen (average salary per year): 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million You dont think he is better than some on here? Atkins and Casey (DTs) are also both making more than $15m per
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 16:05:35 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 16:05:35 GMT -5
Where do you get this he isn't asking Donald money he already said it he is an interior player. He didn't say he wanted to beat Lawrences bench mark contract. where does this come from. It was a question. Calm down. Im pretty sure Williams is going to want to be paid top dollar. He isnt going to go to FA to not get paid. What I was saying is Ngakoue wont get $22m a year. Thats ridiculous. He is starting up high at the top like a good negotiator does. Williams will do the same. He may ask for $20m a year. Doesnt mean he will get it. Look at this list: NFL's highest paid defensive linemen (average salary per year): 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million You dont think he is better than some on here? Atkins and Casey (DTs) are also both making more than $15m per But really what does these players have to do with him he is and above average Interior DL really only OV and he is on par with Casey OV is the outlier with all of them just saying looking at Donalds 22 he is gonna want between 13 and 15.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 16:09:25 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 16:09:25 GMT -5
Where do you get this he isn't asking Donald money he already said it he is an interior player. He didn't say he wanted to beat Lawrences bench mark contract. where does this come from. It was a question. Calm down. Im pretty sure Williams is going to want to be paid top dollar. He isnt going to go to FA to not get paid. What I was saying is Ngakoue wont get $22m a year. Thats ridiculous. He is starting up high at the top like a good negotiator does. Williams will do the same. He may ask for $20m a year. Doesnt mean he will get it. Look at this list: NFL's highest paid defensive linemen (average salary per year): 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million You dont think he is better than some on here? Atkins and Casey (DTs) are also both making more than $15m per I think also if Williams wants to call himself a DE he is devaluing himself further, then he is Kerry Winn good against the run with low sack numbers. he is gonna get what he should get I think the value is the value.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 16:11:09 GMT -5
Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 16:11:09 GMT -5
It was a question. Calm down. Im pretty sure Williams is going to want to be paid top dollar. He isnt going to go to FA to not get paid. What I was saying is Ngakoue wont get $22m a year. Thats ridiculous. He is starting up high at the top like a good negotiator does. Williams will do the same. He may ask for $20m a year. Doesnt mean he will get it. Look at this list: NFL's highest paid defensive linemen (average salary per year): 1. Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald: $22.5 million 2. Cowboys defensive lineman Demarcus Lawrence: $21 million 3. Chiefs defensive lineman Frank Clark: $20.8 million 4. Lions defensive lineman Trey Flowers: $18 million 5. Saints defensive lineman Cameron Jordan: $17.5 million 6. 49ers defensive lineman Dee Ford: $17 million 7. Browns defensive lineman Olivier Vernon: $17 million 8. Eagles defensive lineman Fletcher Cox: $17 million 9. Falcons defensive lineman Grady Jarrett: $17 million 10. Texans defensive lineman J.J. Watt: $16.7 million You dont think he is better than some on here? Atkins and Casey (DTs) are also both making more than $15m per But really what does these players have to do with him he is and above average Interior DL really only OV and he is on par with Casey OV is the outlier with all of them just saying looking at Donalds 22 he is gonna want between 13 and 15. So why even bother keeping him for that much? Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill... You wanna pay nearly $15m for just an above average player at DT?
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 17:26:33 GMT -5
Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 24, 2020 17:26:33 GMT -5
But really what does these players have to do with him he is and above average Interior DL really only OV and he is on par with Casey OV is the outlier with all of them just saying looking at Donalds 22 he is gonna want between 13 and 15. So why even bother keeping him for that much? Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill... You wanna pay nearly $15m for just an above average player at DT? It's the going rate. I like what he brings to the table disruptive really good against the run and guys around him improved. If the price goes to far he won't be here but don't be surprised if they draft the kid from auburn then.
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 17:40:44 GMT -5
Post by TCHOF on Feb 24, 2020 17:40:44 GMT -5
But really what does these players have to do with him he is and above average Interior DL really only OV and he is on par with Casey OV is the outlier with all of them just saying looking at Donalds 22 he is gonna want between 13 and 15. So why even bother keeping him for that much? Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill... You wanna pay nearly $15m for just an above average player at DT? I think that Williams gets $12-13M
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Ngakoue
Feb 24, 2020 18:05:18 GMT -5
Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 24, 2020 18:05:18 GMT -5
So why even bother keeping him for that much? Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill... You wanna pay nearly $15m for just an above average player at DT? I think that Williams gets $12-13M Statistically and age wise he is very similar to Grady Jarrett, who just signed a 4 year $68m contract. ($17m per) My guess is he is closer to that (maybe $15m).
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Ngakoue
Feb 26, 2020 11:24:09 GMT -5
Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 26, 2020 11:24:09 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending. Time to lock up L Williams. If we need Williams so bad, why not just draft the DT from Auburn who can do the same thing cheaper? If we overpay Williams, then Joe Judge did not learn anything from the Pats and DG needs to talk to his pro personnel guru....and fire him
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Ngakoue
Feb 26, 2020 17:06:58 GMT -5
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Post by infinite420 on Feb 26, 2020 17:06:58 GMT -5
Seeking $22/per. What a joke, like his run defending. Time to lock up L Williams. If we need Williams so bad, why not just draft the DT from Auburn who can do the same thing cheaper? If we overpay Williams, then Joe Judge did not learn anything from the Pats and DG needs to talk to his pro personnel guru....and fire him So we should let Leonard Williams walk which in essence creates another hole of need to draft Derrick Brown beause he's cheaper? People act like this money is coming out of their own bank account. There's a cop floor, so you have to spend a certain amount of money, EVERY team overpays for a few players on their team. This is going to be one of those cases where we're going to overpay for defensive tackle so it doesn't create another need.
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