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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 5, 2020 14:24:09 GMT -5
Exactly and I'm not gonna apiece the whiners by joining in. I'd rather they take a chance from time to time with a good player then take risks with unproven draft picks. I want Williams back I'm not gonna dog him because DG traded for him he is a fine player and can do a lot for a team hopefully it's us. My problem is that he could have signed Williams AND still had those unproven picks. He essentially paid two picks for a rental player. Maybe that's worth it to turn a top 10 defense into a top 5 defense on a playoff team. Not worth it to turn a 30th ranked defense into a 28th ranked defense on a team picking in the top 5 of the draft. Was it really worth the two picks to maybe save some money on a contract? He Obviously thought he was gonna get more play and maybe a bargain in the end he thought wrong. I get where your coming from but it's done it's over time to move on and get to drafting with the picks we have and hopefully getting some good work done in free agency. He won't be the first or last to take chance on a talented player. What might have come into play here is him trying to help the coaching staff as much as possible to get a few more wins and save there jobs would have benefitted not only the coaching staff but Jones also if they could have gotten it done. I just don't hang onto things good or bad it's a recipe for trouble. |
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Post by trueblueatnyc on Mar 5, 2020 15:12:34 GMT -5
My problem is that he could have signed Williams AND still had those unproven picks. He essentially paid two picks for a rental player. Maybe that's worth it to turn a top 10 defense into a top 5 defense on a playoff team. Not worth it to turn a 30th ranked defense into a 28th ranked defense on a team picking in the top 5 of the draft. Was it really worth the two picks to maybe save some money on a contract? He Obviously thought he was gonna get more play and maybe a bargain in the end he thought wrong. I get where your coming from but it's done it's over time to move on and get to drafting with the picks we have and hopefully getting some good work done in free agency. He won't be the first or last to take chance on a talented player. What might have come into play here is him trying to help the coaching staff as much as possible to get a few more wins and save there jobs would have benefitted not only the coaching staff but Jones also if they could have gotten it done. I just don't hang onto things good or bad it's a recipe for trouble. So long as the deal effects the offseason I don't think it's hanging on to it. Like I said, all of his other moves I could understand the logic, if not the execution. In this particular case, the logic just wasn't there. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 5, 2020 15:41:28 GMT -5
Just be glad you don't have to make this decision for the Giants haha. We need a coverage LB so bad, we need an OT so bad. Both sitting there, can only have 1. OT is more premium position, LB has the higher grade....oh what to do. All I know is that no matter what we do DG better not miss on the pick or we will be sitting here with another "hindsight" thread in a few years wondering what if. Let's Williams walk With the number 4 pick....the NY Giants select(and in that dramatic pause every Giants fan braces for inevitable knowing this team is on a hamster wheel and blew it) Derrick Brown... Derrick Brown is a freaking beast. He will be an All - Pro. Plus he is a class dude. Not sure he’s a priority but he’d be pretty close to a sure thing and coupled with Dexter would be quite a load to deal with up front. I don’t know this because I have sources at Auburn - only Alabama😬. I do live closer to Auburn and one of my daughters went to grad school at Auburn but I have zero inside info there. I’ve watched DB every game for the past 2 years and he was a man among boys. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 5, 2020 15:45:36 GMT -5
Let's Williams walk With the number 4 pick....the NY Giants select(and in that dramatic pause every Giants fan braces for inevitable knowing this team is on a hamster wheel and blew it) Derrick Brown... Derrick Brown is a freaking beast. He will be an All - Pro. Plus he is a class dude. Not sure he’s a priority but he’d be pretty close to a sure thing and coupled with Dexter would be quite a load to deal with up front. I don’t know this because I have sources at Auburn - only Alabama😬. I do live closer to Auburn and one of my daughters went to grad school at Auburn but I have zero inside info there. I’ve watched DB every game for the past 2 years and he was a man among boys. If we didn't trade for Williams I'd be more inclined to not hate that pick But it's a very hard swallow to light a 2020 3rd and 2021 5th and then have to bypass one of the o linemen because Gettleman had to replace him with this guy... He is going to be incredible......just would be beyond horrific to go this route for us with what else could be done with that pick |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 5, 2020 16:37:46 GMT -5
Sad thing is even if we go OT in round 1 we still need a C, then to replace Solder in another 1-3 years. They have free agency McGovern is a fine center guard on the market and just maybe Gates is the answer at right tackle. Would be nice to land McGovern. Hope Gates works out but I would not trust only having him. At the very least I would bring back Remmers to compete for a job/be a back up. We have very little to no depth on the OL. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 5, 2020 16:42:58 GMT -5
He Obviously thought he was gonna get more play and maybe a bargain in the end he thought wrong. I get where your coming from but it's done it's over time to move on and get to drafting with the picks we have and hopefully getting some good work done in free agency. He won't be the first or last to take chance on a talented player. What might have come into play here is him trying to help the coaching staff as much as possible to get a few more wins and save there jobs would have benefitted not only the coaching staff but Jones also if they could have gotten it done. I just don't hang onto things good or bad it's a recipe for trouble. So long as the deal effects the offseason I don't think it's hanging on to it. Like I said, all of his other moves I could understand the logic, if not the execution. In this particular case, the logic just wasn't there. Mistakes are made all the time as long as there are less of them and more successes. The off season has not even gotten going yet lets see how the rest turns out. It's fine each individual handles things in there own way. In life there are mistakes made if you focus on that one thing nothing else gets done. When I was in the service we learned short memory overcome what ever is in your way whether it is self induced or from some other factor. |
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Post by imgrate on Mar 5, 2020 17:02:12 GMT -5
Lets hope not he is probably top 3 in this draft butttttttt I want my 10 year tackle and the OL done and work to commence on the LBs also. That is the word I have been reading OL and LB are priority supposedly in what order who knows. Sad thing is even if we go OT in round 1 we still need a C, then to replace Solder in another 1-3 years. Maybe, free agency will change our draft thoughts alot, especially with the cap space we have. |
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 5, 2020 17:23:17 GMT -5
all GMs say they will take the highest rated player on the board when they pick, hard to really believe that...teams draft at a position of need, especially the Giants.
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Post by TEM on Mar 5, 2020 18:03:30 GMT -5
That is the difference between us and one of the elite 32 . We have the luxury to condct after the fact team building. An NFL GM picks players in real time without do-overs.
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Post by Miked1958 on Mar 6, 2020 8:52:15 GMT -5
Don't feel bad about that. In 1993 we draft HOF Michael Strahan. In 1995 we took Tyrone Wheatley instead of Derrick Brooks. In 1996 we took Cedric Jones and passed on Ray Lewis. Imagine having a D with Strahan, Brooks and Lewis? Warner is good but isn't great. You can do this for every team up and down tbe draft. No one really knows how players are going to play out. In many cases these guys were mention that were passed over were just as much a a question mark as the one taken. Its easy to sit here now and go up and down draft lists and pick out superstars that panned out and say a certain team passed over this player or that for a bust A little harder to do it on draft day and project which players in those rounds will be stars like a Warren |
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Post by Miked1958 on Mar 6, 2020 8:54:05 GMT -5
Yes the giants wiffed on some pretty popular names in earky rounds past 3 or so years for guys virtually no one knew. But overall the draft is a crap shoot
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Post by ocgiant on Mar 6, 2020 12:24:33 GMT -5
Hindsight is 20/20
The key is do you learn from your mistakes?
Complicated yet the Giants are in a solid position to make progress and fill some much needed positions OT, DL, LB, CB, & WR
F/A who do you pay for best value and fill one of these positions so that going into the draft the Giants know exactly what the strategy will be if they stay at 4 or trade down which I would still like to see happen to make up for giving up a 3rd
Critical for Giants to get it right for this season and so far the Williams situation is not a good start not sure how Getty ever justifies this one unless he gets him signed and does not overpay. Then the Giants give up a fifth next year too
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 6, 2020 20:32:11 GMT -5
Don't feel bad about that. In 1993 we draft HOF Michael Strahan. In 1995 we took Tyrone Wheatley instead of Derrick Brooks. In 1996 we took Cedric Jones and passed on Ray Lewis. Imagine having a D with Strahan, Brooks and Lewis? Warner is good but isn't great. You can do this for every team up and down tbe draft. No one really knows how players are going to play out. In many cases these guys were mention that were passed over were just as much a a question mark as the one taken. Its easy to sit here now and go up and down draft lists and pick out superstars that panned out and say a certain team passed over this player or that for a bust A little harder to do it on draft day and project which players in those rounds will be stars like a Warren Of course you can. I just find it fun to picture our defense after losing Taylor and company from the 80s and rolling out with Strahan, Brooks and Lewis haha. |
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Post by Jomo on Mar 10, 2020 19:14:28 GMT -5
I know hindsight is always 20/20 but given the state of the Giants right now, I cant believe the opportunity they missed out on in 2018. With the 69th pick, instead of BJ Hill, DG could have used it on Fred Warner who was selected the very next pick by San Fran. The fact DG drafted BJ Hill in 2018, then used the 17th overall on Dexter Lawrence in 2019 only to trade a 3rd and 4/5th (2021) for Leonard Williams in October the same year is crazy. This team still has Tomlinson under contract as well. Going into the 2020 draft, Simmons is a big potential pick at 4 but if Fred Warner was on this team, he wouldnt need to be. Starting off ball LBs would be Connelly and Warner and you could easily pick the OT at #4 or trade back if need be and get that extra pick back. Damn what could have been. And I know I know, if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle (maybe not in 2020) but it just blows seeing they could have had  Don't beat yourself up. Every team's fans can do this each and every year. The draft is too much of a crap shoot to not make plenty of mistakes. We don't own that mantel. |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 10, 2020 19:43:20 GMT -5
I know hindsight is always 20/20 but given the state of the Giants right now, I cant believe the opportunity they missed out on in 2018. With the 69th pick, instead of BJ Hill, DG could have used it on Fred Warner who was selected the very next pick by San Fran. The fact DG drafted BJ Hill in 2018, then used the 17th overall on Dexter Lawrence in 2019 only to trade a 3rd and 4/5th (2021) for Leonard Williams in October the same year is crazy. This team still has Tomlinson under contract as well. Going into the 2020 draft, Simmons is a big potential pick at 4 but if Fred Warner was on this team, he wouldnt need to be. Starting off ball LBs would be Connelly and Warner and you could easily pick the OT at #4 or trade back if need be and get that extra pick back. Damn what could have been. And I know I know, if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle (maybe not in 2020) but it just blows seeing they could have had I don’t remember a single person on this board or the prior board complaining that we took BJ Hill over Warner. Hindsight is 20/20 |
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Post by JoeyCush on Mar 11, 2020 0:36:44 GMT -5
I know hindsight is always 20/20 but given the state of the Giants right now, I cant believe the opportunity they missed out on in 2018. With the 69th pick, instead of BJ Hill, DG could have used it on Fred Warner who was selected the very next pick by San Fran. The fact DG drafted BJ Hill in 2018, then used the 17th overall on Dexter Lawrence in 2019 only to trade a 3rd and 4/5th (2021) for Leonard Williams in October the same year is crazy. This team still has Tomlinson under contract as well. Going into the 2020 draft, Simmons is a big potential pick at 4 but if Fred Warner was on this team, he wouldnt need to be. Starting off ball LBs would be Connelly and Warner and you could easily pick the OT at #4 or trade back if need be and get that extra pick back. Damn what could have been. And I know I know, if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle (maybe not in 2020) but it just blows seeing they could have had I don’t remember a single person on this board or the prior board complaining that we took BJ Hill over Warner. Hindsight is 20/20Thats literally what I said first sentence. My issue is more about passing over Warner for BJ Hill when the following year DG drafts Lawrence in the first and trades for Williams mid season. Just saying, picking Warner would have done this team a lot more good than BJ Hill looking back. |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 11, 2020 4:27:55 GMT -5
I don’t remember a single person on this board or the prior board complaining that we took BJ Hill over Warner. Hindsight is 20/20Thats literally what I said first sentence. My issue is more about passing over Warner for BJ Hill when the following year DG drafts Lawrence in the first and trades for Williams mid season. Just saying, picking Warner would have done this team a lot more good than BJ Hill looking back. You can do the same look-back for any draft pick of any team who didn’t work out. I’m a huge Gettleman critic and even I think that is silly |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 11, 2020 10:45:20 GMT -5
The good thing is in this draft DG will not miss whoever he drafts. There are just so many good players here. The preference of what position we think we need the most improved can be talked back and forth. But whatever position we take we need. It will be a win and no one will be that upset cause we all know we need that other position as well.
So the positive is DG looks good no matter what and can stand up and take a bow for drafting maybe the first 2 picks that anyone of us knew to draft as well. But our first 2 picks should really be terrific players.
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