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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 7, 2020 13:08:36 GMT -5
He is the second most athletic tackle behind Wirfs and did really well in the shuttle and 3 cone drills. Profiles of him prior to the combine had him as a day 3 pick while some post combine have him as a day 2. Profiles suggest he can be a swing guy immediately but needs good coaching and to build up "functional strength" to be an eventual starter. I think we need two tackles so even if we get one of the Fab 4 (did you coin that term GiantLegacy?) or 1 of the second-tier prospects, I'd like to get this guy with our comp pick or lower (assuming scouts rank him BPA, of course).
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Post by thetruth on Mar 7, 2020 13:11:04 GMT -5
He is the second most athletic tackle behind Wirfs and did really well in the shuttle and 3 cone drills. Profiles of him prior to the combine had him as a day 3 pick while some post combine have him as a day 2. Profiles suggest he can be a swing guy immediately but needs good coaching and to build up "functional strength" to be an eventual starter. I think we need two tackles so even if we get one of the Fab 4 (did you coin that term GiantLegacy?) or 1 of the second-tier prospects, I'd like to get this guy with our comp pick or lower (assuming scouts rank him BPA, of course). love him. he should be a first round prospect IMO. best OT draft ive ever seen. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 13:27:37 GMT -5
He is the second most athletic tackle behind Wirfs and did really well in the shuttle and 3 cone drills. Profiles of him prior to the combine had him as a day 3 pick while some post combine have him as a day 2. Profiles suggest he can be a swing guy immediately but needs good coaching and to build up "functional strength" to be an eventual starter. I think we need two tackles so even if we get one of the Fab 4 (did you coin that term GiantLegacy?) or 1 of the second-tier prospects, I'd like to get this guy with our comp pick or lower (assuming scouts rank him BPA, of course). Fab 4 copyright GiantLegacy.... but yeah...would make a great candidate to double dip with (can play guard as well )along with Driscoll or someone |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 7, 2020 13:46:51 GMT -5
He is the second most athletic tackle behind Wirfs and did really well in the shuttle and 3 cone drills. Profiles of him prior to the combine had him as a day 3 pick while some post combine have him as a day 2. Profiles suggest he can be a swing guy immediately but needs good coaching and to build up "functional strength" to be an eventual starter. I think we need two tackles so even if we get one of the Fab 4 (did you coin that term GiantLegacy?) or 1 of the second-tier prospects, I'd like to get this guy with our comp pick or lower (assuming scouts rank him BPA, of course). Fab 4 copyright GiantLegacy.... but yeah...would make a great candidate to double dip with (can play guard as well )along with Driscoll or someone Is it realistic to get him with comp pick? |
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 7, 2020 13:53:08 GMT -5
He is not a day one starter. May take a year or two to build up strength ( 33.3 in ) arms.( 9 in. ) hands.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 13:55:27 GMT -5
He is not a day one starter. May take a year or two to build up strength ( 33.3 in ) arms.( 9 in. ) hands. The shortish arms tell me he would be a really good guard/good RT type..... ala Deihl.. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 7, 2020 14:00:27 GMT -5
He is not a day one starter. May take a year or two to build up strength ( 33.3 in ) arms.( 9 in. ) hands. The shortish arms tell me he would be a really good guard/good RT type..... ala Deihl.. Prince Wanogho , has 33.5 arms but10 3/8 hands. Just as a comparison. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 14:16:29 GMT -5
The shortish arms tell me he would be a really good guard/good RT type..... ala Deihl.. Prince Wanogho , has 33.5 arms but10 3/8 hands. Just as a comparison. Yeah a few of us have a little concern over his arm length as well... |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 14:33:27 GMT -5
I have not watched a bunch of his film but judging off the Florida State game that I just watched I wasn't too impressed. He seems decent but nothing special about him, doesn't really move people in the run game, no mean streak at all and while he seems decent in pass pro he completely wiffs sometimes.
Now like you said there might be some potential there that the coaches can bring out but he isn't one of the top 6 OTs IMO.
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 7, 2020 15:09:49 GMT -5
I have not watched a bunch of his film but judging off the Florida State game that I just watched I wasn't too impressed. He seems decent but nothing special about him, doesn't really move people in the run game, no mean streak at all and while he seems decent in pass pro he completely wiffs sometimes. Now like you said there might be some potential there that the coaches can bring out but he isn't one of the top 6 OTs IMO. Wasn't even thinking of him within top 6 OTs - was wondering if he would be there at the end of round 3 or with our round 4 pick. |
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 7, 2020 16:22:37 GMT -5
Scott frantz. OT Kansas. Has nice upside, needs a year of nfl coaching. I like him better than Cleveland, He gets pushed around way too much.
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Post by Kase1 on Mar 7, 2020 16:26:26 GMT -5
This is from thedraftnetwork.com....Sounds like Chad Wheeler 2.0, LOL. PASS!!!!
If you want a "developmental" OT, Id look at Yasir Durant from Mizzou, Jack Driscoll from Auburn, Calvin Throckmorton from Oregon, Trey Adams from Washington, or Matt Pert from UConn
Pass Sets - Light feet and easy movement skills allow him to drop off the LOS with relative ease; but with that said he's too soft at contact and can become a swinging gate for inside counters and power rushes to uproot him. Needs to find more punch power and functional strength to hold ground and anchor.
Length - Anatomical length would be classified as "fine" but his functional punch range and strike zone is only modest and he needs to be more assertive and anticipatory with his throws to keep rushers off balance more consistently. Does not show ideal functional strength in extended scenarios.
Balance - Everything looks pretty good until you put a body on him. He'll get pushed around too easily and get bullied at the point of attack by heavy hands, causing him to hinge, turn or lose leverage too easily. Catches hands and doesn't have the core and lower body strength to squat and hold ground.
Hand Technique - He doesn't illustrate a lot of secure fits — he's a puncher and a feeler but doesn't really set the hook and gather control of the block with consistency. Would love to see more punch power developed to offset gap penetration and ensure secure blocks being latched in at first contact.
Power at POA - Wouldn't call him a mauler and wouldn't call him "sufficient", either. Needs more core strength and lower body power and hand explosion. Doesn't reset the LOS at his wins come from mobility on extended plays or riding defenders out of the play with momentum on his side.
Football IQ - He's very raw. He's highly promising but he's super raw none the less. He needs better awareness to protect his inside and he needs more savvy hand usage to capitalize on his mobility gifts. He's pretty effective with his angles to the second level or climbing out of double teams.
Functional Athleticism - This is where he currently shines. He's light on his feet and an easy mover in all directions, whether that be laterally or taking depth in his pass sets. Foot speed helps him stay in control and mirror in space or stay persistent and press into the body of defenders.
Anchor Ability - Needs to continue to develop his frame and become a more powerful player — worried right now that he doesn't have the threshold of strength to be an effective pro. He's got plenty of room to grow on his frame as well — so may just need an incubation period.
Flexibility - He's smooth and fluid. Not always the most disciplined to have a dynamic base but that is more a byproduct of strength issues and consistent footwork than it is mobility and range of motion. Hips are fluid and offer needed hinges to roll through contact. As he adds more mass, he'll be fine here.
Competitive Toughness - Comes up short of the expectations of a tackle in any scheme. Right now, if he were pressed into action he'd probably be better served at center but his build and upside deserve a chance to shine at the tackle position first. Doesn't play with an overly impressive mean streak, either.
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Best Trait - Flexibility
Worst Trait - Fundamentals
Best Film - Hawaii (2019)
Worst Film - Florida State (2019)
Red Flags - None
Player Summary - Ezra Cleveland projects as a developmental OT prospect in the NFL. He's got the movement skills to eventually become a starter, but as is here's currently too raw to offer consideration for early playing time. Cleveland needs to focus on gaining functional strength and improving his framing of blocks and ability to finish. Cleveland's movement skills offer promise but the test will be whether or not he's able to maintain that mobility once he's stacked extra muscle on his frame.
Updated: 02/24/2020
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Post by TEM on Mar 7, 2020 16:46:20 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 17:06:36 GMT -5
This is from thedraftnetwork.com....Sounds like Chad Wheeler 2.0, LOL. PASS!!!! If you want a "developmental" OT, Id look at Yasir Durant from Mizzou, Jack Driscoll from Auburn, Calvin Throckmorton from Oregon, Trey Adams from Washington, or Matt Pert from UConn Pass Sets - Light feet and easy movement skills allow him to drop off the LOS with relative ease; but with that said he's too soft at contact and can become a swinging gate for inside counters and power rushes to uproot him. Needs to find more punch power and functional strength to hold ground and anchor. Length - Anatomical length would be classified as "fine" but his functional punch range and strike zone is only modest and he needs to be more assertive and anticipatory with his throws to keep rushers off balance more consistently. Does not show ideal functional strength in extended scenarios. Balance - Everything looks pretty good until you put a body on him. He'll get pushed around too easily and get bullied at the point of attack by heavy hands, causing him to hinge, turn or lose leverage too easily. Catches hands and doesn't have the core and lower body strength to squat and hold ground. Hand Technique - He doesn't illustrate a lot of secure fits — he's a puncher and a feeler but doesn't really set the hook and gather control of the block with consistency. Would love to see more punch power developed to offset gap penetration and ensure secure blocks being latched in at first contact. Power at POA - Wouldn't call him a mauler and wouldn't call him "sufficient", either. Needs more core strength and lower body power and hand explosion. Doesn't reset the LOS at his wins come from mobility on extended plays or riding defenders out of the play with momentum on his side. Football IQ - He's very raw. He's highly promising but he's super raw none the less. He needs better awareness to protect his inside and he needs more savvy hand usage to capitalize on his mobility gifts. He's pretty effective with his angles to the second level or climbing out of double teams. Functional Athleticism - This is where he currently shines. He's light on his feet and an easy mover in all directions, whether that be laterally or taking depth in his pass sets. Foot speed helps him stay in control and mirror in space or stay persistent and press into the body of defenders. Anchor Ability - Needs to continue to develop his frame and become a more powerful player — worried right now that he doesn't have the threshold of strength to be an effective pro. He's got plenty of room to grow on his frame as well — so may just need an incubation period. Flexibility - He's smooth and fluid. Not always the most disciplined to have a dynamic base but that is more a byproduct of strength issues and consistent footwork than it is mobility and range of motion. Hips are fluid and offer needed hinges to roll through contact. As he adds more mass, he'll be fine here. Competitive Toughness - Comes up short of the expectations of a tackle in any scheme. Right now, if he were pressed into action he'd probably be better served at center but his build and upside deserve a chance to shine at the tackle position first. Doesn't play with an overly impressive mean streak, either. --- Best Trait - Flexibility Worst Trait - Fundamentals Best Film - Hawaii (2019) Worst Film - Florida State (2019) Red Flags - None Player Summary - Ezra Cleveland projects as a developmental OT prospect in the NFL. He's got the movement skills to eventually become a starter, but as is here's currently too raw to offer consideration for early playing time. Cleveland needs to focus on gaining functional strength and improving his framing of blocks and ability to finish. Cleveland's movement skills offer promise but the test will be whether or not he's able to maintain that mobility once he's stacked extra muscle on his frame. Updated: 02/24/2020 But there are fools that think there isn't much of a drop off between the fab 4 and this guy so we need to go defense no matter what early.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 18:17:18 GMT -5
But there are fools that think there isn't much of a drop off between the fab 4 and this guy so we need to go defense no matter what early.. I doubt anyone has said that. Can you please find the post so I can have a good laugh? Or is this another time where someone makes up things around here? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 20:48:01 GMT -5
But there are fools that think there isn't much of a drop off between the fab 4 and this guy so we need to go defense no matter what early.. I doubt anyone has said that. Can you please find the post so I can have a good laugh? Or is this another time where someone makes up things around here? Unfortunately if I posted a link (it's in the draft section)I could be reported and tossed because it would be considered a "call out" post and that is against the code of conduct here |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 7, 2020 20:51:56 GMT -5
I doubt anyone has said that. Can you please find the post so I can have a good laugh? Or is this another time where someone makes up things around here? Unfortunately if I posted a link (it's in the draft section)I could be reported and tossed because it would be considered a "call out" post and that is against the code of conduct here Sorry I can't believe it. You can post the to the thread without calling out the specific poster and you would be fine. |
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Post by DandyDon on Mar 7, 2020 21:44:13 GMT -5
This is from thedraftnetwork.com....Sounds like Chad Wheeler 2.0, LOL. PASS!!!! If you want a "developmental" OT, Id look at Yasir Durant from Mizzou, Jack Driscoll from Auburn, Calvin Throckmorton from Oregon, Trey Adams from Washington, or Matt Pert from UConn Pass Sets - Light feet and easy movement skills allow him to drop off the LOS with relative ease; but with that said he's too soft at contact and can become a swinging gate for inside counters and power rushes to uproot him. Needs to find more punch power and functional strength to hold ground and anchor. Length - Anatomical length would be classified as "fine" but his functional punch range and strike zone is only modest and he needs to be more assertive and anticipatory with his throws to keep rushers off balance more consistently. Does not show ideal functional strength in extended scenarios. Balance - Everything looks pretty good until you put a body on him. He'll get pushed around too easily and get bullied at the point of attack by heavy hands, causing him to hinge, turn or lose leverage too easily. Catches hands and doesn't have the core and lower body strength to squat and hold ground. Hand Technique - He doesn't illustrate a lot of secure fits — he's a puncher and a feeler but doesn't really set the hook and gather control of the block with consistency. Would love to see more punch power developed to offset gap penetration and ensure secure blocks being latched in at first contact. Power at POA - Wouldn't call him a mauler and wouldn't call him "sufficient", either. Needs more core strength and lower body power and hand explosion. Doesn't reset the LOS at his wins come from mobility on extended plays or riding defenders out of the play with momentum on his side. Football IQ - He's very raw. He's highly promising but he's super raw none the less. He needs better awareness to protect his inside and he needs more savvy hand usage to capitalize on his mobility gifts. He's pretty effective with his angles to the second level or climbing out of double teams. Functional Athleticism - This is where he currently shines. He's light on his feet and an easy mover in all directions, whether that be laterally or taking depth in his pass sets. Foot speed helps him stay in control and mirror in space or stay persistent and press into the body of defenders. Anchor Ability - Needs to continue to develop his frame and become a more powerful player — worried right now that he doesn't have the threshold of strength to be an effective pro. He's got plenty of room to grow on his frame as well — so may just need an incubation period. Flexibility - He's smooth and fluid. Not always the most disciplined to have a dynamic base but that is more a byproduct of strength issues and consistent footwork than it is mobility and range of motion. Hips are fluid and offer needed hinges to roll through contact. As he adds more mass, he'll be fine here. Competitive Toughness - Comes up short of the expectations of a tackle in any scheme. Right now, if he were pressed into action he'd probably be better served at center but his build and upside deserve a chance to shine at the tackle position first. Doesn't play with an overly impressive mean streak, either. --- Best Trait - Flexibility Worst Trait - Fundamentals Best Film - Hawaii (2019) Worst Film - Florida State (2019) Red Flags - None Player Summary - Ezra Cleveland projects as a developmental OT prospect in the NFL. He's got the movement skills to eventually become a starter, but as is here's currently too raw to offer consideration for early playing time. Cleveland needs to focus on gaining functional strength and improving his framing of blocks and ability to finish. Cleveland's movement skills offer promise but the test will be whether or not he's able to maintain that mobility once he's stacked extra muscle on his frame. Updated: 02/24/2020 But there are fools that think there isn't much of a drop off between the fab 4 and this guy so we need to go defense no matter what early.. Why do you constantly have to deride other posters who might disagree with you? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 7, 2020 22:00:32 GMT -5
But there are fools that think there isn't much of a drop off between the fab 4 and this guy so we need to go defense no matter what early.. Why do you constantly have to deride other posters who might disagree with you? I'm deriding someone who posted something highly ignorant directed at no one in particular. |
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