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Post by TEM on Mar 8, 2020 17:58:00 GMT -5
Ron Rivera and the Washington Redskins don't have many important impending free agents this offseason, but they do have some big decisions to make along the offensive line. While everyone is aware of the Trent Williams drama, both of Washington's starting offensive guards are set to hit free agency as well. It wasn't long ago that Ereck Flowers was considered one of the worst first-round draft busts in recent memory, but the Redskins now want to bring him back. read more.Good for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:09:48 GMT -5
Better for us.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 8, 2020 18:24:08 GMT -5
No ill will
More damning on the previous staffs and such to fail if anything if this guy becomes a steady player..
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 8, 2020 19:34:49 GMT -5
Good for Erik he's making a career after what I thought was a total waste or our 1st rd pick. And you know unless the Skins franchise Sherriff they were in a tough position of losing both their starting Guards and Trent Williams even though he sat out last year. They have to keep both these Guards this year if they can.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 8, 2020 20:21:36 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 8, 2020 20:48:03 GMT -5
Let’s see if they actually bring him back and, if so, for what
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Post by Waybackfan on Mar 9, 2020 5:44:12 GMT -5
Flowers either has a guardian angel or a bunch of compromising photos of Roger Goodell. Anybody else with his talent would be playing in the XFL.
Which is it Rog?
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 9, 2020 5:46:29 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5 It does seem pretty stupid but I've wondered since then if he may be one of those people who needed to fail a lot before he started to do well. I got the impression that he wasn't coachable based on how he acted here and that they got rid of a coach because of him. He may have finally reached the point of being willing to take coaching after going through two teams and failing. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 9, 2020 6:25:09 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5 It does seem pretty stupid but I've wondered since then if he may be one of those people who needed to fail a lot before he started to do well. I got the impression that he wasn't coachable based on how he acted here and that they got rid of a coach because of him. He may have finally reached the point of being willing to take coaching after going through two teams and failing. Probably a combo. We never tried him at guard here though where some including me thought he would be much better. But you are right, he might have needed that kick in the ass too. |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 9, 2020 6:33:19 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5 It does seem pretty stupid but I've wondered since then if he may be one of those people who needed to fail a lot before he started to do well. I got the impression that he wasn't coachable based on how he acted here and that they got rid of a coach because of him. He may have finally reached the point of being willing to take coaching after going through two teams and failing. I agree with this. If you remember, Flowers threw a hissy fit when we signed Solder and became a locker room malcontent. I don’t think this guy was ever going to be a guard here. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 9, 2020 7:08:17 GMT -5
It does seem pretty stupid but I've wondered since then if he may be one of those people who needed to fail a lot before he started to do well. I got the impression that he wasn't coachable based on how he acted here and that they got rid of a coach because of him. He may have finally reached the point of being willing to take coaching after going through two teams and failing. I agree with this. If you remember, Flowers threw a hissy fit when we signed Solder and became a locker room malcontent. I don’t think this guy was ever going to be a guard here. He also failed with the Jags after we cut him. As others have said, I think he needed to be humbled before he was able to move forward. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 9, 2020 7:24:02 GMT -5
I agree with this. If you remember, Flowers threw a hissy fit when we signed Solder and became a locker room malcontent. I don’t think this guy was ever going to be a guard here. He also failed with the Jags after we cut him. As others have said, I think he needed to be humbled before he was able to move forward. Again, as a tackle though. His first play at G was in Washington where he didnt fail. G seemed to be the better position for him when he was here. Powerful, can move people, but not quick footed. Kept his head down too much and pass rushers abused it. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Mar 9, 2020 8:16:26 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5 Yeah, every Giant fan was thinking why they wouldn't try him at guard since he was a turnstile as tackle. Reese went down with that ship. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 9, 2020 14:39:57 GMT -5
It does seem pretty stupid but I've wondered since then if he may be one of those people who needed to fail a lot before he started to do well. I got the impression that he wasn't coachable based on how he acted here and that they got rid of a coach because of him. He may have finally reached the point of being willing to take coaching after going through two teams and failing. I agree with this. If you remember, Flowers threw a hissy fit when we signed Solder and became a locker room malcontent. I don’t think this guy was ever going to be a guard here. I agree. In hindsight it's easy to say but the reality is that he wasn't open to anything with the Giants. It's also likely that the Giants dumping him for a case of gatorade woke him up a bit. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 9, 2020 14:40:44 GMT -5
Yeah Flowers is a decent G. It's the kind of thing that only a moron wouldnt have tried before moving on from him. The combination to that guys match luggage is probably 1-2-3-4-5 Yeah, every Giant fan was thinking why they wouldn't try him at guard since he was a turnstile as tackle. Reese went down with that ship. Rightfully so. A preponderance of failed drafts will do that. |
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 9, 2020 19:05:19 GMT -5
Flowers was a better LG than Hernandez in 2019.
Let that sink in.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2020 19:35:27 GMT -5
No ill will More damning on the previous staffs and such to fail if anything if this guy becomes a steady player.. Flowers will never be a first round talent a change of scenery was a must for both party's he isn't a real good guard but he will show up every week. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2020 19:36:11 GMT -5
No ill will More damning on the previous staffs and such to fail if anything if this guy becomes a steady player.. Flowers will never be a first round talent a change of scenery was a must for both party's he isn't a real good guard but he will show up every week. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2020 19:41:10 GMT -5
Flowers was a better LG than Hernandez in 2019. Let that sink in. Hernandez was fine the first 6 or 7 games fell off some he was average scored a few points lower then flowers as a run blocker and above him as a pass protector. That said Hernandez was a second year player flowers is now going into his 5th or 6th. Will H has room to grow Flowers is what he is and still has the same pass pro Issues even at guard. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 10, 2020 19:50:14 GMT -5
I agree with this. If you remember, Flowers threw a hissy fit when we signed Solder and became a locker room malcontent. I don’t think this guy was ever going to be a guard here. I agree. In hindsight it's easy to say but the reality is that he wasn't open to anything with the Giants. It's also likely that the Giants dumping him for a case of gatorade woke him up a bit. In the end Flowers didn't want to suit up the last game of 2017 refused to, he was a top 10 pick. Are they supposed to salvage there rep buy signing him as a below average guard the next 4 years that has the same issues he had as a tackle in pass pro. The Giants did the right thing they gave him a chance to play tackle he stunk it up. he was do for his 5th year option no thanks. Happy he found a home and it is with a division rival. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 11, 2020 6:08:38 GMT -5
Flowers was a better LG than Hernandez in 2019. Let that sink in. Hernandez was fine the first 6 or 7 games fell off some he was average scored a few points lower then flowers as a run blocker and above him as a pass protector. That said Hernandez was a second year player flowers is now going into his 5th or 6th. Will H has room to grow Flowers is what he is and still has the same pass pro Issues even at guard. I really think our entire line was damaged by poor coaching/schemes. Hopefully we see a big turnaround under Colombo/Garrett. |
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