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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 15:23:40 GMT -5
Ok folks here we go with another addition of a possible free agent plan. Another exercise to see what we can get out there for our money.
Big Splash Anthony Castonzo - $17m. He is the best LT on the market but at his age we should be able to land him for this price. Maybe slightly higher but this is a good estimate.
Corey Littleton - $15m. The top cover LB in the league and just a really great all around LB. LBs are the biggest need for this D.
Markus Golden - $13.5m. He isn't the greatest pass rusher ever, but is consistent and plays the run well as well. Can't keep losing our top pass rushers especially in a year that the free agent pass rushers are weak (thanks franchise tags) and the draft is weak at edge as well.
Leonard Williams - $9m. A very fair price for him, he creates good pressure from the DT spot and helps out in the run game a ton. Keep this DL together.
Shaq Lawson - $7.5m. Very under the radar player that gets after the QB pretty well. Didn't get a ton of snaps but was still productive with the Bills. Should get him for a nice price.
This shores up our OL for a few more years. At this point we can still go OL in round 1 or 2 and if the rookie is able to start we can cut Solder gaining a good chunk of money back. Or the rookie can sit for a year and learn and replace Solder next year.
The DL get's held together and we add Shaq Lawson that is like Golden in his ability to stand up or play down. Gives us flexibility. We also add the top coverage LB in the NFL who is young and at a decent price. We can still go Simmons if we want which would just put our LBs over the top with both of them having tremendous coverage ability, or we can go any other direction in round 1 without fear of having no LBs.
We would have about $20m in cap space, counting our 51 players, before the draft after cutting Bethea. Needing about $7 to sign draft picks leaves us with $13m. I know DG said he wants $20m, but I think that was pre draft as there is no way to fill our holes and have $20m in cap space after the draft. In a year with his job on the line he can't afford to keep $20m sitting there.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 11, 2020 15:55:08 GMT -5
Ok folks here we go with another addition of a possible free agent plan. Another exercise to see what we can get out there for our money.
Big Splash Anthony Castonzo - $17m. He is the best LT on the market but at his age we should be able to land him for this price. Maybe slightly higher but this is a good estimate.
Corey Littleton - $15m. The top cover LB in the league and just a really great all around LB. LBs are the biggest need for this D.
Markus Golden - $13.5m. He isn't the greatest pass rusher ever, but is consistent and plays the run well as well. Can't keep losing our top pass rushers especially in a year that the free agent pass rushers are weak (thanks franchise tags) and the draft is weak at edge as well.
Leonard Williams - $9m. A very fair price for him, he creates good pressure from the DT spot and helps out in the run game a ton. Keep this DL together.
Shaq Lawson - $7.5m. Very under the radar player that gets after the QB pretty well. Didn't get a ton of snaps but was still productive with the Bills. Should get him for a nice price.
This shores up our OL for a few more years. At this point we can still go OL in round 1 or 2 and if the rookie is able to start we can cut Solder gaining a good chunk of money back. Or the rookie can sit for a year and learn and replace Solder next year.
The DL get's held together and we add Shaq Lawson that is like Golden in his ability to stand up or play down. Gives us flexibility. We also add the top coverage LB in the NFL who is young and at a decent price. We can still go Simmons if we want which would just put our LBs over the top with both of them having tremendous coverage ability, or we can go any other direction in round 1 without fear of having no LBs.
We would have about $17m in cap space before the draft after cutting Bethea. I know DG said he wants $20m, but I think that was pre draft as there is no way to fill our holes and have $20m in cap space after the draft. In a year with his job on the line he can't afford to keep $20m sitting there.
Littleton is someone the Giants could really use. Williams may be more expensive than 9. Golden hopefully will be less based on injury history and age. And Costanzo may want to go to a contender. I'd settle for Littleton, Williams and Jones. |
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Post by infinite420 on Mar 11, 2020 16:04:24 GMT -5
Ok folks here we go with another addition of a possible free agent plan. Another exercise to see what we can get out there for our money.
Big Splash Anthony Castonzo - $17m. He is the best LT on the market but at his age we should be able to land him for this price. Maybe slightly higher but this is a good estimate.
Corey Littleton - $15m. The top cover LB in the league and just a really great all around LB. LBs are the biggest need for this D.
Markus Golden - $13.5m. He isn't the greatest pass rusher ever, but is consistent and plays the run well as well. Can't keep losing our top pass rushers especially in a year that the free agent pass rushers are weak (thanks franchise tags) and the draft is weak at edge as well.
Leonard Williams - $9m. A very fair price for him, he creates good pressure from the DT spot and helps out in the run game a ton. Keep this DL together.
Shaq Lawson - $7.5m. Very under the radar player that gets after the QB pretty well. Didn't get a ton of snaps but was still productive with the Bills. Should get him for a nice price.
This shores up our OL for a few more years. At this point we can still go OL in round 1 or 2 and if the rookie is able to start we can cut Solder gaining a good chunk of money back. Or the rookie can sit for a year and learn and replace Solder next year.
The DL get's held together and we add Shaq Lawson that is like Golden in his ability to stand up or play down. Gives us flexibility. We also add the top coverage LB in the NFL who is young and at a decent price. We can still go Simmons if we want which would just put our LBs over the top with both of them having tremendous coverage ability, or we can go any other direction in round 1 without fear of having no LBs.
We would have about $17m in cap space before the draft after cutting Bethea. I know DG said he wants $20m, but I think that was pre draft as there is no way to fill our holes and have $20m in cap space after the draft. In a year with his job on the line he can't afford to keep $20m sitting there.
Castonzo for $17? Golden for $13.5? Littleton for $15m? Im thankful you arent running the ship. L Williams will get the top annual pay of all those guys, in the $14-15m range. Castonzo may sucker a team into $12m, Littleton $10m, Golden maybe $10m. Id like the Lawson signing, but I doubt he gets less than $10m, as well. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 11, 2020 16:28:18 GMT -5
Only , players I would be interested in are:
Mc Govern at 12 million a year
Glasgow at 9- 10 million
H. Vitaili at 9-10 million
Shaq Lawson , 9 million a year . He a good pass rusher.
Resign Tomlinson9-10 million a year
Littleton 15 million is too much (12 millions.Ok ) .Same for L.Williams 12 million a year
CBA, hasn’t been approved yet and will go into affect next year.
Free agent players are better to go for a Franchise tag . This way next year they can cash in.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 16:33:39 GMT -5
Littleton is someone the Giants could really use. Williams may be more expensive than 9. Golden hopefully will be less based on injury history and age. And Costanzo may want to go to a contender. I'd settle for Littleton, Williams and Scott. I think Williams will be more expensive than $9m also, but that is the estimate I found. Same with Golden. Like him or not he got 10 sacks last year and people have to pay for production. Would love to sign Littleton though. |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 16:39:48 GMT -5
Castonzo for $17? Golden for $13.5? Littleton for $15m? Im thankful you arent running the ship. L Williams will get the top annual pay of all those guys, in the $14-15m range. Castonzo may sucker a team into $12m, Littleton $10m, Golden maybe $10m. Id like the Lawson signing, but I doubt he gets less than $10m, as well. Listen lets not pretend that either of us know what these guys will sign for. It's a guessing game. Where did your numbers come from? My guess is you made them up. I didn't make up my numbers though, they were the published estimates based on other players of similar ages/skills ect taking into account hire salary cap ect.
I think Williams will go for more than $9m simply because of age and draft pedigree. Castonzo is the top LT on the market, he will go for way more than $12m. Go see what the top LT in free agency gets each year. Littleton is the top LB in free agency and the top coverage LB in the league, he will almost certainly make more than $10m, although possibly less than $15m. Golden got 10 sacks and someone is going to have to pay up to land him because this free agent class has very little pass rush talent and the draft is very weak in the edge department. For that same reason Lawson might go for more, but it was not my estimate.
I'm sure playing GM is fun when you make up your own numbers and magically can sign everyone for super cheap, that is not reality. Try to do it with someone else's numbers, especially if there is some reasoning and thought behind it.
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 17:10:51 GMT -5
Ok folks here we go with another addition of a possible free agent plan. Another exercise to see what we can get out there for our money.
Big Splash Anthony Castonzo - $17m. He is the best LT on the market but at his age we should be able to land him for this price. Maybe slightly higher but this is a good estimate.
Corey Littleton - $15m. The top cover LB in the league and just a really great all around LB. LBs are the biggest need for this D.
Markus Golden - $13.5m. He isn't the greatest pass rusher ever, but is consistent and plays the run well as well. Can't keep losing our top pass rushers especially in a year that the free agent pass rushers are weak (thanks franchise tags) and the draft is weak at edge as well.
Leonard Williams - $9m. A very fair price for him, he creates good pressure from the DT spot and helps out in the run game a ton. Keep this DL together.
Shaq Lawson - $7.5m. Very under the radar player that gets after the QB pretty well. Didn't get a ton of snaps but was still productive with the Bills. Should get him for a nice price.
This shores up our OL for a few more years. At this point we can still go OL in round 1 or 2 and if the rookie is able to start we can cut Solder gaining a good chunk of money back. Or the rookie can sit for a year and learn and replace Solder next year.
The DL get's held together and we add Shaq Lawson that is like Golden in his ability to stand up or play down. Gives us flexibility. We also add the top coverage LB in the NFL who is young and at a decent price. We can still go Simmons if we want which would just put our LBs over the top with both of them having tremendous coverage ability, or we can go any other direction in round 1 without fear of having no LBs.
We would have about $17m in cap space before the draft after cutting Bethea. I know DG said he wants $20m, but I think that was pre draft as there is no way to fill our holes and have $20m in cap space after the draft. In a year with his job on the line he can't afford to keep $20m sitting there.
I have already showed in your last FA spending post . The Draft will cost 10 million. You can not fill out the rest of the roaster and have a buffer with 7 million. overthecap.com/draft/ |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 17:14:31 GMT -5
I have already showed in your last FA spending post . The Draft will cost 10 million. You can not fill out the rest of the roaster and have a buffer with 7 million. overthecap.com/draft/No. In the last post we agreed $10m was too much and estimated it closer to $8m; I then went on to ignore the idea $7m is not enough to fill out the rest of the roster, because I don't agree with that thought. Honestly until we know exactly what the cap is and that salary floor is I am not going to argue over a few million dollars. I'm they can figure things out, these numbers are all estimates anyway. If I am off $1m per player here that can gain or lose $5m more. We don't have to be exactly on point with estimates of estimates, it's just for fun. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 17:23:37 GMT -5
I have already showed in your last FA spending post . The Draft will cost 10 million. You can not fill out the rest of the roaster and have a buffer with 7 million. overthecap.com/draft/No. In the last post we agreed $10m was too much and estimated it closer to $8m; I then went on to ignore the idea $7m is not enough to fill out the rest of the roster, because I don't agree with that thought. Honestly until we know exactly what the cap is and that salary floor is I am not going to argue over a few million dollars. I'm they can figure things out, these numbers are all estimates anyway. If I am off $1m per player here that can gain or lose $5m more. We don't have to be exactly on point with estimates of estimates, it's just for fun. Our first 2 picks will cost 8.3 Pick 4 will cost 6.7 Pick 36 will cost 1.6 Even if what you say is true. 7 is enough to fill out the roster. Where is your buffer? You can not go into the season without a minimum of 6 million. Where is the money need to sign players when injuries happen? ( and they will happen) |
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 11, 2020 17:26:07 GMT -5
Definitely do NOT love Castanzo or Littleton especially at those prices
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 17:29:32 GMT -5
Our first 2 picks will cost 8.3 Pick 4 will cost 6.7 Pick 36 will cost 1.6 Even if what you say is true. 7 is enough to fill out the roster. Where is your buffer? You can not go into the season without a minimum of 6 million. Where is the money need to sign players when injuries happen? ( and they will happen) Our salary cap is an estimate. The prices I have listed to pay players is an estimate. How much money we need to fill out the roster is an estimate. The buffer needed going into the season is an estimate.
I really have zero interest in arguing about estimates to the fourth power. Sorry, I know how much you love to fight about math and usually I am up for it, just have no interest in this one bud.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 17:29:58 GMT -5
Definitely do NOT love Castanzo or Littleton especially at those prices Any reason why, other than price? |
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Post by shocknaweny on Mar 11, 2020 17:35:12 GMT -5
I just prefer drafting our own guy to groom for LT and if they wanna spend big bucks on the offensive line get the guy we should have had in the 2016 NFL Draft Jack Conklin and then for Littleton I would prefer to go after a Vic Beasley or a Kyle Van Noy maybe....someone that offers more pass rush for less money too
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 17:47:16 GMT -5
With the Comp pick established . This is exactly what the draft will cost . ( excluding any trades)
Pick 4: $6,698,020
Pick 36: $1,515,503
Pick 99: $754,270
Pick 110: $742,112
Pick 150: $611,882
Pick 183: $568,218
Pick 218: $542,324
Pick 238: $534,051
Pick 244: $532,759
Pick 247: $532,158
Pick 255: $532,158
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Total: $12,872,862
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 17:49:48 GMT -5
Our first 2 picks will cost 8.3 Pick 4 will cost 6.7 Pick 36 will cost 1.6 Even if what you say is true. 7 is enough to fill out the roster. Where is your buffer? You can not go into the season without a minimum of 6 million. Where is the money need to sign players when injuries happen? ( and they will happen) Our salary cap is an estimate. The prices I have listed to pay players is an estimate. How much money we need to fill out the roster is an estimate. The buffer needed going into the season is an estimate.
I really have zero interest in arguing about estimates to the fourth power. Sorry, I know how much you love to fight about math and usually I am up for it, just have no interest in this one bud.
So your math is based upon what.? You can call it what you want . The numbers don't work. I just showed real number on what the NFL deems each pick's value. 12.9 million . They are not arbitrary numbers( estimates) Set minimum values. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 11, 2020 17:52:22 GMT -5
Definitely do NOT love Castanzo or Littleton especially at those prices Thats the problem with free agency #1 tier players are way over priced. Tier 2 is a better place to shop and teams get some nice bang for the buck there. Thats where the Packers found the smiths who transformed their pass rush. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 11, 2020 17:56:20 GMT -5
I just prefer drafting our own guy to groom for LT and if they wanna spend big bucks on the offensive line get the guy we should have had in the 2016 NFL Draft Jack Conklin and then for Littleton I would prefer to go after a Vic Beasley or a Kyle Van Noy maybe....someone that offers more pass rush for less money too I would like to see them Draft their left tackle of the future and off ball linebacker, take the growing pains and keep the cap straight and the youth on the roster coming. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 17:58:14 GMT -5
Definitely do NOT love Castanzo or Littleton especially at those prices Thats the problem with free agency #1 tier players are way over priced. Tier 2 is a better place to shop and teams get some nice bang for the buck there. Thats where the Packers found the smiths who transformed their pass rush. I agree tier 2 is the way to go . That is how depth is built. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 11, 2020 18:13:50 GMT -5
Yeah
I'm not paying any OT other than maybe a swing backup when there are possibly 4 players we can take in the top 10 that will probably be as good on a rookie deal day one
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 18:17:33 GMT -5
I just prefer drafting our own guy to groom for LT and if they wanna spend big bucks on the offensive line get the guy we should have had in the 2016 NFL Draft Jack Conklin and then for Littleton I would prefer to go after a Vic Beasley or a Kyle Van Noy maybe....someone that offers more pass rush for less money too Drafting your LT is great, until you can't find one. It has been a long time since Will Beatty was here and we have been trying to get a LT since. I would not mind doubling down. If we get Castonzo and draft one we at least have a fail safe option. I am of course good with going with Conklin which in effect is the same thing.
I went with Littleton over Beasley or Van Noy because I wanted a LB that can cover. They would certainly help the pass rush but would not add much to the pass coverage of our LBs. Nothing wrong with that, just a different path is all.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 18:18:48 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not paying any OT other than maybe a swing backup when there are possibly 4 players we can take in the top 10 that will probably be as good on a rookie deal day one Fair enough. Are you ok going into the season with Gates starting at RT and no back up on the roster? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 18:31:00 GMT -5
Ok folks here we go with another addition of a possible free agent plan. Another exercise to see what we can get out there for our money.
Big Splash Anthony Castonzo - $17m. He is the best LT on the market but at his age we should be able to land him for this price. Maybe slightly higher but this is a good estimate.
Corey Littleton - $15m. The top cover LB in the league and just a really great all around LB. LBs are the biggest need for this D.
Markus Golden - $13.5m. He isn't the greatest pass rusher ever, but is consistent and plays the run well as well. Can't keep losing our top pass rushers especially in a year that the free agent pass rushers are weak (thanks franchise tags) and the draft is weak at edge as well.
Leonard Williams - $9m. A very fair price for him, he creates good pressure from the DT spot and helps out in the run game a ton. Keep this DL together.
Shaq Lawson - $7.5m. Very under the radar player that gets after the QB pretty well. Didn't get a ton of snaps but was still productive with the Bills. Should get him for a nice price.
This shores up our OL for a few more years. At this point we can still go OL in round 1 or 2 and if the rookie is able to start we can cut Solder gaining a good chunk of money back. Or the rookie can sit for a year and learn and replace Solder next year.
The DL get's held together and we add Shaq Lawson that is like Golden in his ability to stand up or play down. Gives us flexibility. We also add the top coverage LB in the NFL who is young and at a decent price. We can still go Simmons if we want which would just put our LBs over the top with both of them having tremendous coverage ability, or we can go any other direction in round 1 without fear of having no LBs.
We would have about $17m in cap space before the draft after cutting Bethea. I know DG said he wants $20m, but I think that was pre draft as there is no way to fill our holes and have $20m in cap space after the draft. In a year with his job on the line he can't afford to keep $20m sitting there.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 18:32:21 GMT -5
So your math is based upon what.?  |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 11, 2020 18:34:44 GMT -5
What happened to Clowney? Changed up almost all of the players on this one. My big contract this time was the LT.
Did you finally realize Clowney isn't the greatest edge player in the league and Conklin isn't the worst pass blocker in the league?  |
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Post by TCHOF on Mar 11, 2020 18:35:01 GMT -5
With the Comp pick established . This is exactly what the draft will cost . ( excluding any trades) Pick 4: $6,698,020 Pick 36: $1,515,503 Pick 99: $754,270 Pick 110: $742,112 Pick 150: $611,882 Pick 183: $568,218 Pick 218: $542,324 Pick 238: $534,051 Pick 244: $532,759 Pick 247: $532,158 Pick 255: $532,158 -------------------------- Total: $12,872,862 All of these guys are making the team? |
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 11, 2020 18:45:54 GMT -5
With the Comp pick established . This is exactly what the draft will cost . ( excluding any trades) Pick 4: $6,698,020 Pick 36: $1,515,503 Pick 99: $754,270 Pick 110: $742,112 Pick 150: $611,882 Pick 183: $568,218 Pick 218: $542,324 Pick 238: $534,051 Pick 244: $532,759 Pick 247: $532,158 Pick 255: $532,158 -------------------------- Total: $12,872,862 All of these guys are making the team? Probably not. The better question is when does TEM have the time to come up with all these base salaries? Right down to the last cent. Either he’s brilliant, or he looked it up. |
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Post by infinite420 on Mar 11, 2020 18:58:15 GMT -5
Castonzo for $17? Golden for $13.5? Littleton for $15m? Im thankful you arent running the ship. L Williams will get the top annual pay of all those guys, in the $14-15m range. Castonzo may sucker a team into $12m, Littleton $10m, Golden maybe $10m. Id like the Lawson signing, but I doubt he gets less than $10m, as well. Listen lets not pretend that either of us know what these guys will sign for. It's a guessing game. Where did your numbers come from? My guess is you made them up. I didn't make up my numbers though, they were the published estimates based on other players of similar ages/skills ect taking into account hire salary cap ect.
I think Williams will go for more than $9m simply because of age and draft pedigree. Castonzo is the top LT on the market, he will go for way more than $12m. Go see what the top LT in free agency gets each year. Littleton is the top LB in free agency and the top coverage LB in the league, he will almost certainly make more than $10m, although possibly less than $15m. Golden got 10 sacks and someone is going to have to pay up to land him because this free agent class has very little pass rush talent and the draft is very weak in the edge department. For that same reason Lawson might go for more, but it was not my estimate.
I'm sure playing GM is fun when you make up your own numbers and magically can sign everyone for super cheap, that is not reality. Try to do it with someone else's numbers, especially if there is some reasoning and thought behind it.
It's actually very easy to guess where these guys going to get paid usually look at the top guys at their position and you figure out where these guys fit in. Top T makes 16.5, so youre suggesting Castonzo at age 31 is going to break than number? Top LBer are Mack/miller at 20+, then guys like Deon Jones who are closeish at 14 per. Littletpn isnt even Jones, and AtL put themselves in cap hell giving a LBer like that $70m/5yrs. I should have stopped reading after you said Golden was good against the run. Hahahahaha |
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 19:00:14 GMT -5
With the Comp pick established . This is exactly what the draft will cost . ( excluding any trades) Pick 4: $6,698,020 Pick 36: $1,515,503 Pick 99: $754,270 Pick 110: $742,112 Pick 150: $611,882 Pick 183: $568,218 Pick 218: $542,324 Pick 238: $534,051 Pick 244: $532,759 Pick 247: $532,158 Pick 255: $532,158 -------------------------- Total: $12,872,862 All of these guys are making the team? Once the pick is signed to contract . It goes against the cap. |
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 19:03:05 GMT -5
All of these guys are making the team? Probably not. The better question is when does TEM have the time to come up with all these base salaries? Right down to the last cent. Either he’s brilliant, or he looked it up. I posted it in #6 overthecap.com/draft/ |
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Post by TEM on Mar 11, 2020 19:07:59 GMT -5
So your math is based upon what.? There is validity to this. You might as well used the; we have a gazillion dollar estimation of cap space. No matter what you came up with did not take into account the coat of the draft . How to fill the roster. Or the buffer. Your 17 million after FA is ridiculous when the daft itself is going to take up 12 of it. |
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