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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2020 9:00:17 GMT -5
$18.75M dead cap hit for Jags this year. What a horrendous signing. Have no idea what the Bears are doing what kind of a message does this send to Trubisky.... Well since Foles stinks I would say the message to Trubinsky is "you're our guy Mitch".
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 19, 2020 15:01:09 GMT -5
what kind of a message does this send to Trubisky.... Well since Foles stinks I would say the message to Trubinsky is "you're our guy Mitch". I don't see it that way, actually I think Foles has played some good football going back to his days at Philly, and Mitch isn't exactly playing like a winner
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2020 15:23:37 GMT -5
Well since Foles stinks I would say the message to Trubinsky is "you're our guy Mitch". I don't see it that way, actually I think Foles has played some good football going back to his days at Philly, and Mitch isn't exactly playing like a winner Well he was awful in Jax last year after he came back. His record there was 0-4. He was benched for a late round rookie. He had a good run in the playoffs a few years ago. I give him credit for that. But he is essentially a career back up who parlayed a SB run into a huge deal. Good for him. But he is nothing but a back up and spot starter.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 19, 2020 15:31:49 GMT -5
If they had traded for Dalton, then I would say that Mitch would be in trouble. I just don't get the Foles thing. He's actually never played a full season in his entire career. The most games he's ever started in a season is 11.
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Post by Waybackfan on Mar 19, 2020 16:06:03 GMT -5
Trubisky is 2020 season starter, gets hurt in 4th game. Foles takes over, leads Bears to SB win. Oz has spoken.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 6:44:23 GMT -5
If they had traded for Dalton, then I would say that Mitch would be in trouble. I just don't get the Foles thing. He's actually never played a full season in his entire career. The most games he's ever started in a season is 11. Foles is better than Mitch, not even close. The only issue as you pointed out is Foles has never played a full season. He is injury prone IMO.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 8:47:34 GMT -5
If they had traded for Dalton, then I would say that Mitch would be in trouble. I just don't get the Foles thing. He's actually never played a full season in his entire career. The most games he's ever started in a season is 11. Foles is better than Mitch, not even close. The only issue as you pointed out is Foles has never played a full season. He is injury prone IMO. He's not better than Mitch. But maybe you can say that he sucks less than Mitch.
Foles is a back up QB.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 8:56:49 GMT -5
Foles is better than Mitch, not even close. The only issue as you pointed out is Foles has never played a full season. He is injury prone IMO. He's not better than Mitch. But maybe you can say that he sucks less than Mitch.
Foles is a back up QB.
1- Yes he is. 2- No he isnt. He was the backup in Philly and the team played better with him in the starters role instead of Wentz. He was signed to be a starter with the Rams, he was a starter in Jax until he got hurt, he will beat out Mitch and be the starter in Chicago. Im not saying he is a great srtarter, but he is like Fitzpatrick IMO. Better than a bunch of starters in this league but not top 10 or anything. I know you think he sucks, but he has had tremendous success in the past seasons and in the postseason.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 9:00:34 GMT -5
He's not better than Mitch. But maybe you can say that he sucks less than Mitch.
Foles is a back up QB.
1- Yes he is. 2- No he isnt. He was the backup in Philly and the team played better with him in the starters role instead of Wentz. He was signed to be a starter with the Rams, he was a starter in Jax until he got hurt, he will beat out Mitch and be the starter in Chicago. Im not saying he is a great srtarter, but he is like Fitzpatrick IMO. Better than a bunch of starters in this league but not top 10 or anything. I know you think he sucks, but he has had tremendous success in the past seasons and in the postseason. Mitch sucks......and so does Foles.
Lost every game he played in last year and was benched for Grardner Minchew. Didn't last very long on a team desperate for QB.
You and I have gone at this regarding Foles for years. I told you he sucked and he proved it in Jax. Not sure why you're holding onto this.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 9:09:46 GMT -5
1- Yes he is. 2- No he isnt. He was the backup in Philly and the team played better with him in the starters role instead of Wentz. He was signed to be a starter with the Rams, he was a starter in Jax until he got hurt, he will beat out Mitch and be the starter in Chicago. Im not saying he is a great srtarter, but he is like Fitzpatrick IMO. Better than a bunch of starters in this league but not top 10 or anything. I know you think he sucks, but he has had tremendous success in the past seasons and in the postseason. Mitch sucks......and so does Foles.
Lost every game he played in last year and was benched for Grardner Minchew. Didn't last very long on a team desperate for QB.
You and I have gone at this regarding Foles for years. I told you he sucked and he proved it in Jax. Not sure why you're holding onto this.
Ok, ill correct you. He got hurt week 1 mid game after 8 passes and a beautiful TD pass. Came back week 10 and was still not 100% and lost 2 games going 65-95 (68.4%) 568 yards, 2 TDs 1 INT. The Jags were awful, so they moved back to see Gardner. Minshew played great, the Jags season was over, and they went back to Minshew to see if it was real or not so they know going forward. He was, so they think, and that allowed them to move on from Foles. Foles also had a season where he threw 27 TDs to 2 INTs. Sucky QBs dont do that. Or put teams on their backs and win SBs. Not a great QB no. Just cant stay healthy. But is much better than Trubisky
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 9:15:53 GMT -5
Mitch sucks......and so does Foles.
Lost every game he played in last year and was benched for Grardner Minchew. Didn't last very long on a team desperate for QB.
You and I have gone at this regarding Foles for years. I told you he sucked and he proved it in Jax. Not sure why you're holding onto this.
Ok, ill correct you. He got hurt week 1 mid game after 8 passes and a beautiful TD pass. Came back week 10 and was still not 100% and lost 2 games going 65-95 (68.4%) 568 yards, 2 TDs 1 INT. The Jags were awful, so they moved back to see Gardner. Minshew played great, the Jags season was over, and they went back to Minshew to see if it was real or not so they know going forward. He was, so they think, and that allowed them to move on from Foles. Foles also had a season where he threw 27 TDs to 2 INTs. Sucky QBs dont do that. Or put teams on their backs and win SBs. Not a great QB no. Just cant stay healthy. But is much better than Trubisky 3 years ago he was contemplating retirement. The season you are referring to was 2013.
But he decided that there were chumps (Tom Coughlin) willing to pay him a boatload of cash based on two playoff games.
The guy stinks. Decent back up though.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -5
Ok, ill correct you. He got hurt week 1 mid game after 8 passes and a beautiful TD pass. Came back week 10 and was still not 100% and lost 2 games going 65-95 (68.4%) 568 yards, 2 TDs 1 INT. The Jags were awful, so they moved back to see Gardner. Minshew played great, the Jags season was over, and they went back to Minshew to see if it was real or not so they know going forward. He was, so they think, and that allowed them to move on from Foles. Foles also had a season where he threw 27 TDs to 2 INTs. Sucky QBs dont do that. Or put teams on their backs and win SBs. Not a great QB no. Just cant stay healthy. But is much better than Trubisky 3 years ago he was contemplating retirement. The season you are referring to was 2013.
But he decided that there were chumps (Tom Coughlin) willing to pay him a boatload of cash based on two playoff games.
The guy stinks. Decent back up though.
The retirement thing means nothing on if he was a good QB or not. Yes the season was 2013 he broke the record for TD-INT ratio in a season. It was his most extensive stretch as a starter. He wasnt good in STL but come on, STL was an awful team in those years all around. 2 playoff games? Much more than that. There is a reason why teams GMs keep calling his number. Id say its more on my side than yours. Name your bottom 10 starting QBs in the league. Is Foles better than them?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 9:36:19 GMT -5
3 years ago he was contemplating retirement. The season you are referring to was 2013.
But he decided that there were chumps (Tom Coughlin) willing to pay him a boatload of cash based on two playoff games.
The guy stinks. Decent back up though.
The retirement thing means nothing on if he was a good QB or not. Yes the season was 2013 he broke the record for TD-INT ratio in a season. It was his most extensive stretch as a starter. He wasnt good in STL but come on, STL was an awful team in those years all around. 2 playoff games? Much more than that. There is a reason why teams GMs keep calling his number. Id say its more on my side than yours. Name your bottom 10 starting QBs in the league. Is Foles better than them? Blake Bortles had a couple good years. 4400 yards and 35 TD's. on year. Maybe the Bears should have traded for him.
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 20, 2020 9:39:55 GMT -5
from what I'm reading here it sounds like the Bears are back to square one at QB..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 9:39:57 GMT -5
The retirement thing means nothing on if he was a good QB or not. Yes the season was 2013 he broke the record for TD-INT ratio in a season. It was his most extensive stretch as a starter. He wasnt good in STL but come on, STL was an awful team in those years all around. 2 playoff games? Much more than that. There is a reason why teams GMs keep calling his number. Id say its more on my side than yours. Name your bottom 10 starting QBs in the league. Is Foles better than them? Blake Bortles had a couple good years. 4400 yards and 35 TD's. on year. Maybe the Bears should have traded for him. His first couple of seasons Bortles looked like a real good QB. The problem was his accuracy never materialized. And a lot of those 2015 numbers you called out were inflated by garbage time. The Jags were out of most games that year by half time. And I also think Bortles is better than Trubisky. Dont test my Jags knowledge man, I live down here. lol I see them every week and hear the radio Jags talk every week.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 10:26:57 GMT -5
Blake Bortles had a couple good years. 4400 yards and 35 TD's. on year. Maybe the Bears should have traded for him. His first couple of seasons Bortles looked like a real good QB. The problem was his accuracy never materialized. And a lot of those 2015 numbers you called out were inflated by garbage time. The Jags were out of most games that year by half time. And I also think Bortles is better than Trubisky. Dont test my Jags knowledge man, I live down here. lol I see them every week and hear the radio Jags talk every week. Did you watch Foles win a single game down there?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 11:02:55 GMT -5
His first couple of seasons Bortles looked like a real good QB. The problem was his accuracy never materialized. And a lot of those 2015 numbers you called out were inflated by garbage time. The Jags were out of most games that year by half time. And I also think Bortles is better than Trubisky. Dont test my Jags knowledge man, I live down here. lol I see them every week and hear the radio Jags talk every week. Did you watch Foles win a single game down there? Not of the 2 complete games he played. No. 0-2
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 11:07:35 GMT -5
Did you watch Foles win a single game down there? Not of the 2 complete games he played. No. 0-2 Yeah he got benched on one of the others. Minshew, a late round rookie, was 6-6. and was far superior to Foles. Now Foles has been dumped to anyone who would take him.
What does that tell you as a Jags expert?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 11:18:36 GMT -5
Not of the 2 complete games he played. No. 0-2 Yeah he got benched on one of the others. Minshew, a late round rookie, was 6-6. and was far superior to Foles. Now Foles has been dumped to anyone who would take him.
What does that tell you as a Jags expert?
It tells me you still dont grasp what happened down here. Foles struggled. Yup. Minshew looks like a legit QB in year 1. You cant say just because Minshew outperformed Foles (in very limited time and due to a big injury) that its a negative on Foles. Thats like saying Bledsoe was not that good because a 6th round pick outperformed him. Also false is your comment saying Foles was dumped to anyone who would take him. From what I heard, there were multiple teams trying to trade for Foles. His services are still being demanded, despite your disapproval. Thats says more to me than what you say.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 12:01:12 GMT -5
Yeah he got benched on one of the others. Minshew, a late round rookie, was 6-6. and was far superior to Foles. Now Foles has been dumped to anyone who would take him.
What does that tell you as a Jags expert?
It tells me you still dont grasp what happened down here. Foles struggled. Yup. Minshew looks like a legit QB in year 1. You cant say just because Minshew outperformed Foles (in very limited time and due to a big injury) that its a negative on Foles. Thats like saying Bledsoe was not that good because a 6th round pick outperformed him. Also false is your comment saying Foles was dumped to anyone who would take him. From what I heard, there were multiple teams trying to trade for Foles. His services are still being demanded, despite your disapproval. Thats says more to me than what you say. Lots of interest yet all they got was a 4th round pick.
OK....whatever you say.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 12:31:52 GMT -5
It tells me you still dont grasp what happened down here. Foles struggled. Yup. Minshew looks like a legit QB in year 1. You cant say just because Minshew outperformed Foles (in very limited time and due to a big injury) that its a negative on Foles. Thats like saying Bledsoe was not that good because a 6th round pick outperformed him. Also false is your comment saying Foles was dumped to anyone who would take him. From what I heard, there were multiple teams trying to trade for Foles. His services are still being demanded, despite your disapproval. Thats says more to me than what you say. Lots of interest yet all they got was a 4th round pick.
OK....whatever you say.
Youre missing some logic with that comment. #1 - The Bears are taking on the contract. Most trades of this sort, high profile players, dont get a good return. Look at Gurley. Look at Slay. #2 - Jags were looking to dump salary, not necessarily get a high pick back. Bears were willing to take the contract on. Report: Multiple teams have approached Jags about Nick Foles jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/16/nfl-trade-rumors-multiple-teams-have-approached-jags-for-nick-foles-says-adam-schefter/You need to check the internet more often before posting. First Sale, now this... Come on Morehead!
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 12:50:34 GMT -5
Lots of interest yet all they got was a 4th round pick.
OK....whatever you say.
Youre missing some logic with that comment. #1 - The Bears are taking on the contract. Most trades of this sort, high profile players, dont get a good return. Look at Gurley. Look at Slay. #2 - Jags were looking to dump salary, not necessarily get a high pick back. Bears were willing to take the contract on. Report: Multiple teams have approached Jags about Nick Foles jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/16/nfl-trade-rumors-multiple-teams-have-approached-jags-for-nick-foles-says-adam-schefter/You need to check the internet more often before posting. First Sale, now this... Come on Morehead! Nick Foles isn't a good NFL QB. He's a back up. Any "interest" is consistent with that role. No team would ever look to Nick Foles as any kind of long term answer except as a back up.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 13:19:39 GMT -5
Nick Foles isn't a good NFL QB. He's a back up. Any "interest" is consistent with that role. No team would ever look to Nick Foles as any kind of long term answer except as a back up. Except the Rams, Jags, and now Bears... :-)
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 13:24:10 GMT -5
Nick Foles isn't a good NFL QB. He's a back up. Any "interest" is consistent with that role. No team would ever look to Nick Foles as any kind of long term answer except as a back up. Except the Rams, Jags, and now Bears... :-) Look at it this way....Mitch Trubiski stinks. We can all agree.
The jury is still very much out as to whether or not Nick Foles can win the starting job from him.
Do the math....that means Foles stinks too.
Rams.....released Foles Jags........dumped him after one season for a 4th round pick, (my God he didn't win a single game there)
Bears......??????? TBD.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 13:26:38 GMT -5
Except the Rams, Jags, and now Bears... :-) Look at it this way....Mitch Trubiski stinks. We can all agree.
The jury is still very much out as to whether or not Nick Foles can win the starting job from him.
Do the math....that means Foles stinks too.
Rams.....released Foles Jags........dumped him after one season for a 4th round pick, (my God he didn't win a single game there)
Bears......??????? TBD.
You're going to dig your self all the way to China. Dont do that. Its nasty over there right now.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 13:28:37 GMT -5
Look at it this way....Mitch Trubiski stinks. We can all agree.
The jury is still very much out as to whether or not Nick Foles can win the starting job from him.
Do the math....that means Foles stinks too.
Rams.....released Foles Jags........dumped him after one season for a 4th round pick, (my God he didn't win a single game there)
Bears......??????? TBD.
You're going to dig your self all the way to China. Dont do that. Its nasty over there right now. I have never understood your love of Nick Foles.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 13:41:20 GMT -5
You're going to dig your self all the way to China. Dont do that. Its nasty over there right now. I have never understood your love of Nick Foles. Love this, hate that.... Those are the wrong words. I think Foles is a better QB than you do. Plain and simple. Any QB that can do what he did in Philly is a good QB. His Rams situation is kinda like how I stand behind Rosen still. The environment sucked. There was no chance for a successful story. Rosen got screwed by Arizona and Miami. No structure. No one teaching him the ropes. No one guiding him. As for Foles, the Rams were a failing organization at the time. Just like the Browns chewing up and spitting out QBs year after year, QB after QB. He nearly took the Eagles downt hat road again a few years ago if that WR caught the perfectly thrown ball for a TD. It gets them to the NFC Champ game. And who knows from there. The Jags saw that and took a chance. He broke his collar bone week 1 derailing everything. Then he went back out there and was clearly not zipping the ball like he could prior to the injury. The season was a wash so they stuck Minshew back out there to see what he had for 2020 and the future. I see the Bears having Foles and Trubisky battle it out, and I see Foles winning. Now, he is older now so who knows how much more he has left, especially after the injury, but thats the plan. Thats what I see. A QB who at times played better than our 15 year 2x SB champion QB. He was never a great QB, but a good one. And now, I am done. We wont ever agree so it is what it is.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 13:43:14 GMT -5
I have never understood your love of Nick Foles. Love this, hate that.... Those are the wrong words. I think Foles is a better QB than you do. Plain and simple. Any QB that can do what he did in Philly is a good QB. His Rams situation is kinda like how I stand behind Rosen still. The environment sucked. There was no chance for a successful story. Rosen got screwed by Arizona and Miami. No structure. No one teaching him the ropes. No one guiding him. As for Foles, the Rams were a failing organization at the time. Just like the Browns chewing up and spitting out QBs year after year, QB after QB. He nearly took the Eagles downt hat road again a few years ago if that WR caught the perfectly thrown ball for a TD. It gets them to the NFC Champ game. And who knows from there. The Jags saw that and took a chance. He broke his collar bone week 1 derailing everything. Then he went back out there and was clearly not zipping the ball like he could prior to the injury. The season was a wash so they stuck Minshew back out there to see what he had for 2020 and the future. I see the Bears having Foles and Trubisky battle it out, and I see Foles winning. Now, he is older now so who knows how much more he has left, especially after the injury, but thats the plan. Thats what I see. A QB who at times played better than our 15 year 2x SB champion QB. He was never a great QB, but a good one. And now, I am done. We wont ever agree so it is what it is. We will agree when you see how he flops in Chicago.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Mar 20, 2020 13:46:30 GMT -5
Love this, hate that.... Those are the wrong words. I think Foles is a better QB than you do. Plain and simple. Any QB that can do what he did in Philly is a good QB. His Rams situation is kinda like how I stand behind Rosen still. The environment sucked. There was no chance for a successful story. Rosen got screwed by Arizona and Miami. No structure. No one teaching him the ropes. No one guiding him. As for Foles, the Rams were a failing organization at the time. Just like the Browns chewing up and spitting out QBs year after year, QB after QB. He nearly took the Eagles downt hat road again a few years ago if that WR caught the perfectly thrown ball for a TD. It gets them to the NFC Champ game. And who knows from there. The Jags saw that and took a chance. He broke his collar bone week 1 derailing everything. Then he went back out there and was clearly not zipping the ball like he could prior to the injury. The season was a wash so they stuck Minshew back out there to see what he had for 2020 and the future. I see the Bears having Foles and Trubisky battle it out, and I see Foles winning. Now, he is older now so who knows how much more he has left, especially after the injury, but thats the plan. Thats what I see. A QB who at times played better than our 15 year 2x SB champion QB. He was never a great QB, but a good one. And now, I am done. We wont ever agree so it is what it is. We will agree when you see how he flops in Chicago. ..... If Brady flops in TB, does that mean he was overrated due to Belichick too?
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 20, 2020 13:47:54 GMT -5
We will agree when you see how he flops in Chicago. ..... If Brady flops in TB, does that mean he was overrated due to Belichick too? Brady is 43. He might be running on the field in a walker.
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