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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:14:28 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of this or read about it but wanted to throw it out there. If I was GM and really wanted Simmons I would sign Jason Peters to a one year deal. I know he is old but giving our players at RT he would be the starter and I believe a serviceable one at that. Then we can go Defense with our 4th pick. Either Okudah or Simmons (Young if there obviously). It’s very hard right now to think we aren’t going Tackle when we really don’t have a good RT on our Roster.
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 27, 2020 13:13:29 GMT -5
I don't think Peter's can make it through a full season anymore. Not someone I'd want to be an anchor of my line. If we simply needed veteran backup depth I'd be ok, but not as a starter.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Mar 27, 2020 13:32:17 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of this or read about it but wanted to throw it out there. If I was GM and really wanted Simmons I would sign Jason Peters to a one year deal. I know he is old but giving our players at RT he would be the starter and I believe a serviceable one at that. Then we can go Defense with our 4th pick. Either Okudah or Simmons (Young if there obviously). It’s very hard right now to think we aren’t going Tackle when we really don’t have a good RT on our Roster. if we were trying to do something like that i would rather trade for trent williams.
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Post by TEM on Mar 27, 2020 14:04:44 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 27, 2020 15:53:47 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can. /thread
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Post by lasion2 on Mar 27, 2020 16:04:12 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can. I agree with you. And I’m impressed with the succinctness. A lot of folks are gonna say we’ve been kicking the can on LBs for just as long, and they’re right. But, I think it’s more important to protect our qb and 2,000 yard producer in the backfield right now, while they’re still cheap, young, and developing. Draft the OT. If you can go back a few spots and still get the one you want? Even better.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 27, 2020 16:19:32 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can. I think if they find Simmons to hard to pass up if he is there of course they can still go Tackle in round 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
Wow, all respect to any opinion, but this is as TEM suggests, the worse kick the can for Simmons plan I have heard...
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Post by houndstoothhat on Mar 27, 2020 17:06:48 GMT -5
Now that we got at least 1 real CB, take the OT and move on! Do not even want to see Simmons in Blue, unless its the Lions!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 27, 2020 18:14:35 GMT -5
Wow, all respect to any opinion, but this is as TEM suggests, the worse kick the can for Simmons plan I have heard... I want the tackle but the word generational is being used about Simmons who knows what the Giants think of him. Some say he can help you in a lot of ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 21:47:36 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can. I agree with you. And I’m impressed with the succinctness. A lot of folks are gonna say we’ve been kicking the can on LBs for just as long, and they’re right. But, I think it’s more important to protect our qb and 2,000 yard producer in the backfield right now, while they’re still cheap, young, and developing. Draft the OT. If you can go back a few spots and still get the one you want? Even better. Great Post BUT you Surely Know NO ONE but you knows what that word means
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Post by Sarcasman on Mar 27, 2020 21:53:57 GMT -5
I agree with you. And I’m impressed with the succinctness. A lot of folks are gonna say we’ve been kicking the can on LBs for just as long, and they’re right. But, I think it’s more important to protect our qb and 2,000 yard producer in the backfield right now, while they’re still cheap, young, and developing. Draft the OT. If you can go back a few spots and still get the one you want? Even better. Great Post BUT you Surely Know NO ONE but you knows what that word means Brevity loses out to a twelve letter word. Is that irony? I can never tell.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 22:01:52 GMT -5
Wow, all respect to any opinion, but this is as TEM suggests, the worse kick the can for Simmons plan I have heard... Not just Simmons. This plan is for anyone we wanted to select with the 4th overall pick other then a Tackle. Personally I want a tackle but I don’t always get what I want Right now even at 38 Peters is a nine-time Pro Bowl and six-time All-Pro offensive tackle who is building his resume for a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Better then Gates, Eric Smith, Cameron Fleming, Chad Slade or Nate Wozniak I don’t know you but you seem to like controversy and to argue about everything. I guess that’s your thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 1:10:10 GMT -5
Wow, all respect to any opinion, but this is as TEM suggests, the worse kick the can for Simmons plan I have heard... Not just Simmons. This plan is for anyone we wanted to select with the 4th overall pick other then a Tackle. Personally I want a tackle but I don’t always get what I want Right now even at 38 Peters is a nine-time Pro Bowl and six-time All-Pro offensive tackle who is building his resume for a spot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Better then Gates, Eric Smith, Cameron Fleming, Chad Slade or Nate Wozniak I don’t know you but you seem to like controversy and to argue about everything. I guess that’s your thing. I live for it, love it...can do it 24/7....that's what they do on these boards...debate. I'm not going out for beers with anybody here, just debating football with the many "other" GM's.... You can post anything you want, but I assure you, it will be challenged by somebody...especially if the plan consists of a 38 year old tackle.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 8:02:40 GMT -5
I don't think we can afford either of them .Williams is on the wrong side of 30. Peters is on the wrong side of 35. Draft an OT and stop kicking the can. I agree with you. And I’m impressed with the succinctness. A lot of folks are gonna say we’ve been kicking the can on LBs for just as long, and they’re right. But, I think it’s more important to protect our qb and 2,000 yard producer in the backfield right now, while they’re still cheap, young, and developing. Draft the OT. If you can go back a few spots and still get the one you want? Even better. I can tell you this from experience. Shoring up the Offensive line helps keep that LB off the field. The best thing for the team is to keep that LB off the field as much as possible.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 9:53:48 GMT -5
I can tell you this from experience. Shoring up the Offensive line helps keep that LB off the field. The best thing for the team is to keep that LB off the field as much as possible. I would say having a good LB helps get the LB off the field. Eventually he will get on the field, I would like it if he can get himself off.
Just realized how gross that sounded.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 9:58:52 GMT -5
I can tell you this from experience. Shoring up the Offensive line helps keep that LB off the field. The best thing for the team is to keep that LB off the field as much as possible. I would say having a good LB helps get the LB off the field. Eventually he will get on the field, I would like it if he can get himself off.
Just realized how gross that sounded.
IMO: The offense's ability to stay on the field has always been the best Defense We have been in the bottom 3rd of the league in TOP for too long. www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/average-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2020-02-03
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:04:33 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of this or read about it but wanted to throw it out there. If I was GM and really wanted Simmons I would sign Jason Peters to a one year deal. I know he is old but giving our players at RT he would be the starter and I believe a serviceable one at that. Then we can go Defense with our 4th pick. Either Okudah or Simmons (Young if there obviously). It’s very hard right now to think we aren’t going Tackle when we really don’t have a good RT on our Roster. I have thought about Peters but I think he is just to worn out at this point. You have the right idea for sure though. I really believe that is why we brought Fleming in here. At $4m a year I don't think we brought him in just to be a back up. He has a good amount of starts (26 out of 75 games) and has done well when called on to start. He has experience with the Pats half of our staff and with Garrett/Columbo in Dallas.
Personally I think they have their eye on a defender in round 1, probably Simmons, maybe Okudah though. If that player is not there they go OT. If that player is there then they go Defense. Now they can go OT in a later round and see how quickly he can get to starter level. DG has taken three OL (rnd 2, 3 or 4) and 2 have started right away, 1 took a year to start. So we take a mid round OT and if he can't start right away Cam Fleming gets the start.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:15:31 GMT -5
No doubt it is harder for the other team to score if our O is on the field. TOP is a two way stat though. The offense has to stay on the field BUT the defense has to get off the field. Also TOP is a funny stat because teams behind run a hurry up and teams ahead try to drain the clock. No doubt we were bad on both sides, but look at the number of plays run.
86 times last year we could not get off the field on 3rd down, that is 8th worst in the league. Our D was on the field for 1061 plays last year (28th), our O was on the field for 1012 plays last year (19th). Our D was actually worse than our O.
We need an OL and a LB.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 10:21:14 GMT -5
No doubt it is harder for the other team to score if our O is on the field. TOP is a two way stat though. The offense has to stay on the field BUT the defense has to get off the field. Also TOP is a funny stat because teams behind run a hurry up and teams ahead try to drain the clock. No doubt we were bad on both sides, but look at the number of plays run.
86 times last year we could not get off the field on 3rd down, that is 8th worst in the league. Our D was on the field for 1061 plays last year (28th), our O was on the field for 1012 plays last year (19th). Our D was actually worse than our O.
We need an OL and a LB.
I agree we need both. We addressed those 2 deficiencies going into the draft. Exactly what should have been done pre-draft. It will be one or the other taken. I would like the OT.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:22:49 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of this or read about it but wanted to throw it out there. If I was GM and really wanted Simmons I would sign Jason Peters to a one year deal. I know he is old but giving our players at RT he would be the starter and I believe a serviceable one at that. Then we can go Defense with our 4th pick. Either Okudah or Simmons (Young if there obviously). It’s very hard right now to think we aren’t going Tackle when we really don’t have a good RT on our Roster. they have to stop putting band aids on the OL. They need a premier OT more than thy need Simmons or Okudah. IMO a debate is not even needed.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 10:27:50 GMT -5
I agree we need both. We addressed those 2 deficiencies going into the draft. Exactly what should have been done pre-draft. It will be one or the other taken. I would like the OT. 100%. I'm glad we don't have the glaring hole in either spot we had a few months ago. I prefer the LB but honestly just want a great player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:29:23 GMT -5
I haven’t heard of this or read about it but wanted to throw it out there. If I was GM and really wanted Simmons I would sign Jason Peters to a one year deal. I know he is old but giving our players at RT he would be the starter and I believe a serviceable one at that. Then we can go Defense with our 4th pick. Either Okudah or Simmons (Young if there obviously). It’s very hard right now to think we aren’t going Tackle when we really don’t have a good RT on our Roster. they have to stop putting band aids on the OL. They need a premier OT more than thy need Simmons or Okudah. IMO a debate is not even needed. I agree. Becton FTW. My post was just saying if we didn’t
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 10:32:43 GMT -5
they have to stop putting band aids on the OL. They need a premier OT more than thy need Simmons or Okudah. IMO a debate is not even needed. I agree. Becton FTW. My post was just saying if we didn’t cool.... Becton IMO is a semi distant 4th OL draft prospect. Thats my armchair GM speaking He seems to lack a decent amount of technique and just being 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier means nothing to me in the NFL. Giants needs a an OT to start right now and he aint it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 10:52:04 GMT -5
I agree. Becton FTW. My post was just saying if we didn’t cool.... Becton IMO is a semi distant 4th OL draft prospect. Thats my armchair GM speaking He seems to lack a decent amount of technique and just being 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier means nothing to me in the NFL. Giants needs a an OT to start right now and he aint it. So you’re a Wirfs guy? Btw. I am sure every guy would take an extra 2 inches
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Post by GameTime on Mar 28, 2020 11:22:35 GMT -5
cool.... Becton IMO is a semi distant 4th OL draft prospect. Thats my armchair GM speaking He seems to lack a decent amount of technique and just being 2 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier means nothing to me in the NFL. Giants needs a an OT to start right now and he aint it. So you’re a Wirfs guy? Btw. I am sure every guy would take an extra 2 inches Nope....I am a Thomas guy. He seems the most ready to go for LT
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