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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 11:21:02 GMT -5
Now I would be shocked if we don’t take OT in the first round, but with Gettleman it’s entirely possible he falls for someone like Simmons and pulls the trigger. Even if we did take an OT in round one I would not rule out them taking another one fairly early as well, especially if they traded back and were able to accumulate a couple more picks.
So outside the Big 4 you have guys like
-Josh Jones OT Houston
-Ezra Cleveland OT Boise State
-Austin Jackson OT USC
-Ben Bartch OT St. John’s (MN)
-Prince Tega Wanogho OT Auburn
-Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia
-Lucas Niang OT TCU
There are other prospects too but that’s naming a few. So say hypothetically they were to go elsewhere with their first pick. If they wanted to go OT with their next pick whether it be a later first round pick via trade back or their second round pick, who would you be targeting? I know quite a few people are pretty high on Lucas Niang and Prince was getting a lot of attention in the mocks earlier. I really like what I’ve seen from Ben Bartch although the level of comp would be a massive jump (he did do really well at the Senior Bowl I thought). Josh Jones and Cleveland are intriguing guys as well. I’ve seen a couple games from Austin Jackson and didn’t really like what I saw, but it could have been a bad game or two.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 11:50:54 GMT -5
Anyone named Isaiah should be drafted by us 
I'm on board with Josh Jones for sure, I think Jackson has some potential to be good. I've also heard some very good things about Cleveland. I don't know where the grades on NFL.com come from but he isn't that far off from Thomas/Wirfs. He seems to have good technique but has issues with power.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 12:02:00 GMT -5
They all suck . Just kidding. I would not mind taking Young and Wilson with our first 2 picks.
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Post by fifthavephil on Mar 28, 2020 12:13:42 GMT -5
Anyone named Isaiah should be drafted by us
I'm on board with Josh Jones for sure, I think Jackson has some potential to be good. I've also heard some very good things about Cleveland. I don't know where the grades on NFL.com come from but he isn't that far off from Thomas/Wirfs. He seems to have good technique but has issues with power.
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 12:19:38 GMT -5
Anyone named Isaiah should be drafted by us
I'm on board with Josh Jones for sure, I think Jackson has some potential to be good. I've also heard some very good things about Cleveland. I don't know where the grades on NFL.com come from but he isn't that far off from Thomas/Wirfs. He seems to have good technique but has issues with power.
Who is Jackson ? So outside the Big 4 you have guys like -Josh Jones OT Houston -Ezra Cleveland OT Boise State - Austin Jackson OT USC-Ben Bartch OT St. John’s (MN) -Prince Tega Wanogho OT Auburn -Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia -Lucas Niang OT TCU |
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 12:38:36 GMT -5
Anyone named Isaiah should be drafted by us
I'm on board with Josh Jones for sure, I think Jackson has some potential to be good. I've also heard some very good things about Cleveland. I don't know where the grades on NFL.com come from but he isn't that far off from Thomas/Wirfs. He seems to have good technique but has issues with power.
could certainly do a lot worse than Simmons and Wilson in round one and two lol. I’ve heard good things about Cleveland and Ben Bartch. I think it would be best to find a way to get more day 2 picks at minimum. We have OT, LB, Edge, FS, and C that would be preferable to take in rounds rounds 1-3 if they were able to get multiple new picks |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 12:42:26 GMT -5
could certainly do a lot worse than Simmons and Wilson in round one and two lol. I’ve heard good things about Cleveland and Ben Bartch. I think it would be best to find a way to get more day 2 picks at minimum. We have OT, LB, Edge, FS, and C that would be preferable to take in rounds rounds 1-3 if they were able to get multiple new picks I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 12:43:59 GMT -5
So outside the Big 4 you have guys like -Josh Jones OT Houston -Ezra Cleveland OT Boise State - Austin Jackson OT USC-Ben Bartch OT St. John’s (MN) -Prince Tega Wanogho OT Auburn -Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia -Lucas Niang OT TCU  |
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Post by TEM on Mar 28, 2020 13:08:01 GMT -5
Jeramiah Johnson . A great movie. |
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 13:08:10 GMT -5
could certainly do a lot worse than Simmons and Wilson in round one and two lol. I’ve heard good things about Cleveland and Ben Bartch. I think it would be best to find a way to get more day 2 picks at minimum. We have OT, LB, Edge, FS, and C that would be preferable to take in rounds rounds 1-3 if they were able to get multiple new picks I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
I agree on WR although I think someone like Quez Watkins in the 4th round would be arguably as good as a 2nd or 3rd round WR in this draft. Him and Slayton would be able to stretch the field and allow the other guys to work the middle of the field. If they think Love is the guy at FS I’m completely okay with holding off on FS and maybe getting someone later for depth. |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 28, 2020 13:22:07 GMT -5
I've seen every single one of those names except Bartch listed in various top 50s. They're one of the reasons I wouldn't lose my shit if we go Simmons at 4. I view all of them as possibly beating out Flemmings year one but definitely being ready to take over on either side by 2021. For me, if we use our second on a Tackle, or use resources to trade up to ensure getting one of these guys (regardless of where we trade up), we almost definitely don't get a year 1 starting center. If I'm assuming 2 years to being a contender, fine, but I'm not sure I'm happy with that. My favorite of the list is Cleveland. I've read good things about Wilson, as well, but his agility drills don't correlate well to success as an OT.
Draft gods, please let us trade down. Maybe we miss out on a supposedly generational Simmons but much easier to get really good players at our remaining areas of need. We need more picks in the Top 50 - we can get really good players at OT, C, LB, DB and WR if we can get more picks in Top 50.
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 13:25:02 GMT -5
I agree on WR although I think someone like Quez Watkins in the 4th round would be arguably as good as a 2nd or 3rd round WR in this draft. Him and Slayton would be able to stretch the field and allow the other guys to work the middle of the field. If they think Love is the guy at FS I’m completely okay with holding off on FS and maybe getting someone later for depth. That's where I am with FS. I think Love is going to be the man. Just a very smart, solid player not prone to mistakes. Is not the most physically gifted guy in the room but a hard worker and very smart football player. Give me a stud WR in this draft please lol. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 28, 2020 13:27:38 GMT -5
I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
I agree on WR although I think someone like Quez Watkins in the 4th round would be arguably as good as a 2nd or 3rd round WR in this draft. Him and Slayton would be able to stretch the field and allow the other guys to work the middle of the field. If they think Love is the guy at FS I’m completely okay with holding off on FS and maybe getting someone later for depth. Safety I would hold off on this year to be honest Let the kids play another year with better coaching and an infusion of fundamentally sound football players... Concentrate on building the offense around Jones and Barkley in a draft where the strength of this draft is litteraly set up perfect for us to do this (with the BPA caveat of an edge guy somewhere day 2 if they want) Even the "we need a coverage LB" war cry... Inconvenient truth..right now that is a luxury in a way..and that can be schemed around this year if needed Next year it seems a lot of these hybrid type tweener lb/safety types are going to need draft eligible in what seems to be the opposite of this years draft...other than WR(which seems now to be a position tbag will be deep.everu year with all the air raid stuff)its going to be a very deep draft for defense..... Wait till 2021 and play to that strength... |
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Post by bringsimmsback on Mar 28, 2020 13:37:37 GMT -5
I agree on WR although I think someone like Quez Watkins in the 4th round would be arguably as good as a 2nd or 3rd round WR in this draft. Him and Slayton would be able to stretch the field and allow the other guys to work the middle of the field. If they think Love is the guy at FS I’m completely okay with holding off on FS and maybe getting someone later for depth. Safety I would hold off on this year to be honest Let the kids play another year with better coaching and an infusion of fundamentally sound football players... Concentrate on building the offense around Jones and Barkley in a draft where the strength of this draft is litteraly set up perfect for us to do this (with the BPA caveat of an edge guy somewhere day 2 if they want) Even the "we need a coverage LB" war cry... Inconvenient truth..right now that is a luxury in a way..and that can be schemed around this year if needed Next year it seems a lot of these hybrid type tweener lb/safety types are going to need draft eligible in what seems to be the opposite of this years draft...other than WR(which seems now to be a position tbag will be deep.everu year with all the air raid stuff)its going to be a very deep draft for defense..... Wait till 2021 and play to that strength... Good points. Hopefully what I've read about Martinez being way better than Ogletree at setting the defense is a big help for our secondary as well. If we get around to a long term deal for Williams, we may have enough for a vet Slot CB or FS on a 1 year deal to fill whatever role Love isn't doing. Then next year replace that vet CB with a draftee. Or trade back and get it all this year! In the never happens-in-the-real-world of On the Clock, I can trade back to 9 or 12 in the first and then trade back again in the 2nd and fill every spot. Easy-Peasy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 13:47:40 GMT -5
Some experts are suggesting Josh Jones, who with Bartch shined at the senior bowl...will and could be taken before even Becton. I can see 5 taken top 15...and a Cleveland with his great combine but needing to get with Barkley and remember leg day, Niang who has never given up a college sack in 3 years starting and possibly small school Bartch who was flattening top rushers in the senior bowl drills...all might be sneaking into the back of that 1st...
Wilson, Prince and Jackson (a 5 star recruit with amazing feet) will probably go 2nd round... Wilson is a bit rough pass blocking though, horrible leverage ( Tyre Phillips, another SEC top OT, same issues) and not quick feet, but damn, he's actually more a physical specimen than Becton....all IMHO of course. Some others that will be for certain there in the spot we traded away to rent Leonard Williams are... Matt Peart and his near 37 inch arms Robert Hunt, who will be a moving, and starting as a top NFL guard, as will Jon Runyan, the tackle made famous for beating Chase Young all game long Jack Driscoll who plays RT off the Prince on the left, VERY athletic and quick, strength issues Cameron Clark and his near perfect technique but lack of athletic ability Danny Pinter...ex tight end with great movement Alex Taylor, skinny Bball player, one season 6'8 guy with long arms and huge hands...weighed in at 308 Saahdiq Charles, the Burrow blind side tackle with incredible athletic ability, and absolutely all project regarding technique. A guy many of us mocked a lot during the year was Calvin Throckmorton from the Ducks...until a player showed exactly why we do have the underwear olympics, and tested himself to a "possible" center with some of the worse testing ever. Check out his 10 yard splits, 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle....and oddly enough, he's been one of the better players on the OL for Oregon. Shorter arms, and lack of athletic ability says center...and he's taken 189 snaps there, the majority at right tackle. We're talking late day 3 pick, for a possible center. Not, IMHO, a bad spot to take a flyer on him, as his tape is not THAT bad. Some basics on some of the area we need the most, and guys we need to be paying attention if we do go Simmons or get lucky with a drop of Chase Young. Hope this contributes somewhat to some decision making on draft day. Personally, I like Cleveland, Niang and Bartch for the early second pick post combine....after we take Henry Ruggs at the 4 spot.   |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Mar 28, 2020 14:19:11 GMT -5
I have seen Josh Jones and Austin Jackson in mock drafts both ranked as high as the 5th OT's in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if either or both these OT's go in the 1st rd as well. Bucky Brooks has Jackson the top 5 rated OT's.
If we wanted and thought one of these guys were good enough a number of them will be available with our 2nd rd pick. But then there goes our Center or WR imo.
Hope we can trade back just a few spots and pick up another 2nd and 3rd for sure. Possibly one of these teams with multiple 1st rd picks. That would be sooo sweeeeeet. This draft is loaded with talent, we need some extra top picks this draft. Just hope and a prayer at this time.
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 15:11:41 GMT -5
Rumors are Niang could fall to Day 3 which would be insane. There’s questions about injuries apparently and with the virus going around it’s going to be extremely tough to get guys in to do physicals. Makes guys coming back from injuries or have had injuries in the past at risk of sliding much further than they should.
Niang at the beginning of round 4 would be crazy. Potential Day 1 starter at OT on day 3 of the draft.
If they go for the top guys in round one I’m cool with that, but I wouldn’t be as upset as some if they went elsewhere in round one. My preferred route would be trading back and getting as much as we possibly can, whether that’s two firsts and another day two pick, multiple day 2 picks, etc. We have a lot of holes and there will be a ton of talented players available in days one and two. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and round up more day 3 picks for some HR swings on guys with possible injury concerns
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 15:26:45 GMT -5
Rumors are Niang could fall to Day 3 which would be insane. There’s questions about injuries apparently and with the virus going around it’s going to be extremely tough to get guys in to do physicals. Makes guys coming back from injuries or have had injuries in the past at risk of sliding much further than they should. Niang at the beginning of round 4 would be crazy. Potential Day 1 starter at OT on day 3 of the draft. If they go for the top guys in round one I’m cool with that, but I wouldn’t be as upset as some if they went elsewhere in round one. My preferred route would be trading back and getting as much as we possibly can, whether that’s two firsts and another day two pick, multiple day 2 picks, etc. We have a lot of holes and there will be a ton of talented players available in days one and two. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and round up more day 3 picks for some HR swings on guys with possible injury concerns What was the last medical on that hip?  He could be the most productive tackle with the worse technique ever in college...I'm talking this guy barely gives up a pressure, let alone a sack... withthefirstpick.com/2020/03/23/tcu-ot-lucas-niang-reportedly-expected-to-fall-to-day-3/ |
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Post by snyder55 on Mar 28, 2020 15:52:00 GMT -5
the talent in the early part of round 1 is excellent as a mater of fact the whole1st round looks really good so it might be hard to make a mistake.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 28, 2020 16:15:32 GMT -5
could certainly do a lot worse than Simmons and Wilson in round one and two lol. I’ve heard good things about Cleveland and Ben Bartch. I think it would be best to find a way to get more day 2 picks at minimum. We have OT, LB, Edge, FS, and C that would be preferable to take in rounds rounds 1-3 if they were able to get multiple new picks I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 16:21:39 GMT -5
I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
except for maybe delpit and duggar. I really really like Antoine Winfield Jr as well |
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 16:29:17 GMT -5
Rumors are Niang could fall to Day 3 which would be insane. There’s questions about injuries apparently and with the virus going around it’s going to be extremely tough to get guys in to do physicals. Makes guys coming back from injuries or have had injuries in the past at risk of sliding much further than they should. Niang at the beginning of round 4 would be crazy. Potential Day 1 starter at OT on day 3 of the draft. If they go for the top guys in round one I’m cool with that, but I wouldn’t be as upset as some if they went elsewhere in round one. My preferred route would be trading back and getting as much as we possibly can, whether that’s two firsts and another day two pick, multiple day 2 picks, etc. We have a lot of holes and there will be a ton of talented players available in days one and two. Wouldn’t be a bad idea to try and round up more day 3 picks for some HR swings on guys with possible injury concerns What was the last medical on that hip? He could be the most productive tackle with the worse technique ever in college...I'm talking this guy barely gives up a pressure, let alone a sack... withthefirstpick.com/2020/03/23/tcu-ot-lucas-niang-reportedly-expected-to-fall-to-day-3/ Agreed 100%. The fact he never gave up a sack in 3 years is crazy. Idc what level of play it is... and he played against quality teams and opponents and still did this. The hip is definitely something that will hurt his draft stock. Without that he would go much earlier I’d think. I would love to take a swing at him around round 4, especially if we had someone picked to be the LT of the future earlier too. I would love a trade back to get at the least a second and third. Getting something like Chaisson / Cleveland, Bartch, Prince, or another OT / Mims / Akeem Davis-Gaither / Ruiz, Hennessy, or another Center / Niang... in the first 4 rounds would be awesome. Would fill a lot of holes with very talented players |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 17:07:43 GMT -5
I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
except for maybe delpit and duggar. Didn't mean that as an insult to the Safety's in this class, I think there will be value at other positions of greater need is all. |
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Post by bluebuddha on Mar 28, 2020 17:37:09 GMT -5
I would go WR over FS, especially in this draft. I agree though. The best scenario is we trade back with Miami, get the player we wanted at 4 and squeeze two 2nd round picks out of them. We have to hope Detroit/Washington don't trade back and hope we can convince Miami that someone else is trying to trade up.
Two extra 2nd round picks in this draft would be an incredible deal for us.
except for maybe delpit and duggar. Ilike Jeremy Chin also. |
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Post by nygfanstrick on Mar 28, 2020 18:34:55 GMT -5
except for maybe delpit and duggar. Didn't mean that as an insult to the Safety's in this class, I think there will be value at other positions of greater need is all. I get that. Tbh I would have a hard time getting too mad if they went basically with a BPA philosophy. I mean obviously without RB, QB, or DT in the very early rounds. There’s a lot of talent and going to fill needs sometimes leaves you in a spot where you’re sacrificing a pretty significant amount of talent to fill a need |
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Post by IrishMike on Mar 28, 2020 18:44:22 GMT -5
Didn't mean that as an insult to the Safety's in this class, I think there will be value at other positions of greater need is all. I get that. Tbh I would have a hard time getting too mad if they went basically with a BPA philosophy. I mean obviously without RB, QB, or DT in the very early rounds. There’s a lot of talent and going to fill needs sometimes leaves you in a spot where you’re sacrificing a pretty significant amount of talent to fill a need I agree. I really like DGs approach of filling as many holes, even with short term plug in guys, before the draft so he can focus on just finding talent. I'd rather a great player at a position I don't need over a dud at a position of need. Luckily I think this class matches up to our needs pretty well coverage LBs, OTs, Cs and WRs galore. Not a ton of pass rush talent though, but I'll take 4 out of 5. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Mar 28, 2020 19:34:33 GMT -5
Now I would be shocked if we don’t take OT in the first round, but with Gettleman it’s entirely possible he falls for someone like Simmons and pulls the trigger. Even if we did take an OT in round one I would not rule out them taking another one fairly early as well, especially if they traded back and were able to accumulate a couple more picks. So outside the Big 4 you have guys like -Josh Jones OT Houston -Ezra Cleveland OT Boise State -Austin Jackson OT USC -Ben Bartch OT St. John’s (MN) -Prince Tega Wanogho OT Auburn -Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia -Lucas Niang OT TCU There are other prospects too but that’s naming a few. So say hypothetically they were to go elsewhere with their first pick. If they wanted to go OT with their next pick whether it be a later first round pick via trade back or their second round pick, who would you be targeting? I know quite a few people are pretty high on Lucas Niang and Prince was getting a lot of attention in the mocks earlier. I really like what I’ve seen from Ben Bartch although the level of comp would be a massive jump (he did do really well at the Senior Bowl I thought). Josh Jones and Cleveland are intriguing guys as well. I’ve seen a couple games from Austin Jackson and didn’t really like what I saw, but it could have been a bad game or two. Prince and Isaiah are the real deal. Probably going in 2nd - I’d be cool with either. Questions about some others but still a good list, 👍🏻 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 20:13:51 GMT -5
except for maybe delpit and duggar. Didn't mean that as an insult to the Safety's in this class Well, you better let them know that and apologize...they are graded high in sensitivity |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 8, 2020 16:55:19 GMT -5
this is why OT does t have to be the very first pick. I think bartch is going to be a player, we should be watching him closely. |
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