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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 6:11:00 GMT -5
We have some good ones in this years draft. After hearing about DeAndre Baker again in weird context, from not understanding the playbook (Bettchers fault) to sleeping in meetings (Shurmur fault), and finally buying a Rolls Royce for his mom (IrishMikes budgets fault) we can be certain of one thing, this kid might have a few screws loose. Add in another missing 3rd round pick traded for a always injured and missing games Sam Beal and a late round pick of half a year play and record low grades, the Ballentine...oh and the big money signing of the average Bradberry...one thing is certain, we are either still horribly weak on cornerback or depending on the sleepy, confused and impulsive buyer Baker, potentially can be. Okay, so that begs us to ponder, will we draft a cornerback in a deep class, and if we do, does the player have to also have a last name that begins with a B. Here's a quick breakdown on the better ones and taking into account as to what strengths they have. All IMHO of course All AroundJeffrey Okudah - best cornerback prospect in years. Amazing back peddle and hips, reads routes better then anyone, fluid...largest wingspan at the combine, with great ball skills. He is the best all around corner in this class, and like it or not, can still be a target of the NY Giants. Positional value says so. Jaylon Johnson - CB3 for me. Can play press and zone equally great.. Kristian Fulton - smaller corner that went from a zone in 2018 to press on the great 2019 LSU team...DB university. Many experts have him CB2. Fantastic feet, can do both press/man and zone. Damon Arnette - You don't hear much about him, cause he plays with the phenom, Okudah, and next years top ten corner, Mr Wade. He's another great all around corner who should see the first round, or at worst early day 2 due to the depth at certain positions. Man cover guys (speed corners) Noah Igbinoghene - Don't be shocked if you hear his name....this Auburn kid shut down every top WR on Alabama to a tune of 1 catch in 4 attempts for 33 yards, and one break up. Only 20 years old.... A.J. Terrell - Was torched by Ja’Marr Chase in the National Championship game, but he was at every catch point. Long, great hips, fast...he's a easy day 1 pick C.J. Henderson - a burner who was hurt a lot this year. His sophomore year he was a top 10 pick. PRESS ZONE Guys who are lacking athletic ability thus limit route tree's by pressing the receivers Trevon Diggs - A one time wide receiver like the now playing in Buffalo brother. Long and physical....1st day pick if you're looking for a press. Cameron Dantzler - Slow 40 at the combine so is not going man, but this guy is a stud at the LOS.... Bryce Hall - 23 forced incompletions before snapping his ankle last year...HUGE wingspan, only the phenom is longer. Press master. OFF ZONE These guys will be able to play a slot, or in space on the outside if fast enough..something our Baker has trouble with. Jeff Gladney - 32 inch arms at only 5'10...he's as good a slot you will find. He breaks up everything, and has speed to play outside zone. John Reid - Again, enough speed to play the outside, and a great tackler. Josiah Scott - Small corner with intense quicks...will be a slot, but unlike other slots, can tackle. .
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 7:39:25 GMT -5
I'm actually looking at the slot guys as while we have a frog like wart on Baker,we still have to give him at least this year to see if his last 5 or 6 game improvement was legit or a mirage..and also being used as he should We have a bunch of outside type guys (Beal and Ballentine)... Slot is??
A guy like Pride or one of the guys you listed. The more shifty type guys.. Another thing about slot corners is that going against slot receivers,even in timing based offenses like the WCO and Coryell they still often run option routes(and especially these modern offenses that now incorporate air raid principles..which are also option routes)..so they also have to have almost instantaneous reaction time and Al's kinda have to know what defensive coverage our team is running (I think a huge reason our slot guys were lost was also because of the confusion and thinking our defense was playing one thing the slot receiver saw what was 8n front of him was not what our slot corner thought we were running...thus wide open space at times)
One last think to think over
If we stay put at 37 and take Reisner or even the trade up for Ford or another T(all 3 played well at RT last year btw) Okudah is now a glaring BPA meets need that I'd be jumping up and down for (and hope Detroit trades back so we have a clear shot)...
So for those shortsighted about having to waste recourses on a non priority position this year......
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 7:50:10 GMT -5
One other thing Remember we all thought last year's class (or.we.were told by the bedroom scouts)was the worst since 2000 Then starting with us taking Baker 25 or so were taken in the next 3 rounds?
We all know that reciever has become probably the deepest position coming out now for a few years that actually have a high % of players hit in the NFL because of all the air raid and spread formations in college The reaction to this started in 2017 with a historically deep corner class because teams need guys to cover these receivers So the good news is there will never be a shortage of corners coming into the league
Unfortunately,unlike all these recievers,there is a high trend right now since this started of a high bust rate for corners % per drafted .... Just look at the Eagles and Cowboys (minus Jones)from that 2017 class... Both teams took a combined 5 corners.... none have been anything more then barely functional (the eagles having to trade for Slay ) Both teams went spray and pray with premium picks and kinda have nothing to show for it.
So this is also a worrisome trend even though there are a lot more choices coming out.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 3, 2020 7:50:10 GMT -5
I'm actually looking at the slot guys as while we have a frog like wart on Baker,we still have to give him at least this year to see if his last 5 or 6 game improvement was legit or a mirage..and also being used as he should We have a bunch of outside type guys (Beal and Ballentine)... Slot is?? A guy like Pride or one of the guys you listed. The more shifty type guys.. Another thing about slot corners is that going against slot receivers,even in timing based offenses like the WCO and Coryell they still often run option routes(and especially these modern offenses that now incorporate air raid principles..which are also option routes)..so they also have to have almost instantaneous reaction time and Al's kinda have to know what defensive coverage our team is running (I think a huge reason our slot guys were lost was also because of the confusion and thinking our defense was playing one thing the slot receiver saw what was 8n front of him was not what our slot corner thought we were running...thus wide open space at times) One last think to think over If we stay put at 37 and take Reisner or even the trade up for Ford or another T(all 3 played well at RT last year btw) Okudah is now a glaring BPA meets need that I'd be jumping up and down for (and hope Detroit trades back so we have a clear shot)... So for those shortsighted about having to waste recourses on a non priority position this year...... they aren’t raking okudah, that isn’t happening. Cb isn’t a need before the 3rd at the earliest. Amik Robertson would be an outstanding pick and slot corner.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 7:52:40 GMT -5
I'm actually looking at the slot guys as while we have a frog like wart on Baker,we still have to give him at least this year to see if his last 5 or 6 game improvement was legit or a mirage..and also being used as he should We have a bunch of outside type guys (Beal and Ballentine)... Slot is?? A guy like Pride or one of the guys you listed. The more shifty type guys.. Another thing about slot corners is that going against slot receivers,even in timing based offenses like the WCO and Coryell they still often run option routes(and especially these modern offenses that now incorporate air raid principles..which are also option routes)..so they also have to have almost instantaneous reaction time and Al's kinda have to know what defensive coverage our team is running (I think a huge reason our slot guys were lost was also because of the confusion and thinking our defense was playing one thing the slot receiver saw what was 8n front of him was not what our slot corner thought we were running...thus wide open space at times) One last think to think over If we stay put at 37 and take Reisner or even the trade up for Ford or another T(all 3 played well at RT last year btw) Okudah is now a glaring BPA meets need that I'd be jumping up and down for (and hope Detroit trades back so we have a clear shot)... So for those shortsighted about having to waste recourses on a non priority position this year...... they aren’t raking okudah, that isn’t happening. Cb isn’t a need before the 3rd at the earliest. Amik Robertson would be an outstanding pick and slot corner. Nope We made our bed with Baker (basicly using 3 picks last year to take him)last year. Taking Okudah makes Gettleman the Matt Millen of CBs ... Robertson at 99 Pride at 111
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 3, 2020 8:11:53 GMT -5
Wow, this is great, thank you. I'm no expert but after watching some film on the top OTs, Okudah and Simmons, I like Okudah the best out of all of them. I wish Gettleman had gotten a stud LB in free agency instead of a cornerback.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 8:19:01 GMT -5
Wow, this is great, thank you. I'm no expert but after watching some film on the top OTs, Okudah and Simmons, I like Okudah the best out of all of them. I wish Gettleman had gotten a stud LB in free agency instead of a cornerback. My buyers remorse was trading up for Baker and not taking one of the tackles possibly... Ford from Oklahoma would be anchoring our right side of the line for 10 years (or Reisner at 37 without the trade up) Of course we would be sweating out Detroit for Okudah right about now (but It could have been a 2 way street,Detroit has Okudah targeted they dont trade back knowing we had a need at CB..they trade back and he falls in our lap)
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 3, 2020 8:45:54 GMT -5
Wow, this is great, thank you. I'm no expert but after watching some film on the top OTs, Okudah and Simmons, I like Okudah the best out of all of them. I wish Gettleman had gotten a stud LB in free agency instead of a cornerback. My buyers remorse was trading up for Baker and not taking one of the tackles possibly... Ford from Oklahoma would be anchoring our right side of the line for 10 years (or Reisner at 37 without the trade up) Of course we would be sweating out Detroit for Okudah right about now (but It could have been a 2 way street,Detroit has Okudah targeted they dont trade back knowing we had a need at CB..they trade back and he falls in our lap) Personally, I want Detroit to be head over heels in love with Okudah....or Simmons....or an OT. Ideally, Washington and Detroit stay put at #2 and #3, giving us the best chance and most leverage for a potential trade back.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 8:48:56 GMT -5
My buyers remorse was trading up for Baker and not taking one of the tackles possibly... Ford from Oklahoma would be anchoring our right side of the line for 10 years (or Reisner at 37 without the trade up) Of course we would be sweating out Detroit for Okudah right about now (but It could have been a 2 way street,Detroit has Okudah targeted they dont trade back knowing we had a need at CB..they trade back and he falls in our lap) Personally, I want Detroit to be head over heels in love with Okudah....or Simmons....or an OT. Ideally, Washington and Detroit stay put at #2 and #3, giving us the best chance and most leverage for a potential trade back. Simmons at 3 would be a perfect case scenario because we now have the perfect trade back partner and no risk of that disastrous decision for us.. Hell I'll even take getting "our" 3rd back at this point Even one extra day 2 pick opens up the entire draft for us
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 3, 2020 8:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Apr 3, 2020 9:03:33 GMT -5
QB, CB, LT, Edge...
can never have enough good ones.
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 3, 2020 9:07:12 GMT -5
QB, CB, LT, Edge... can never have enough good ones. We can never have enough good quarterbacks ? I know what you meant, I enjoy busting your balls.
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Post by TEM on Apr 3, 2020 9:15:52 GMT -5
BBI has Arnette as a 3rd round pick. I would run to the lectern with his name if he is there in the 3rd.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 3, 2020 9:18:48 GMT -5
QB, CB, LT, Edge... can never have enough good ones. We can never have enough good quarterbacks ? I know what you meant, I enjoy busting your balls. appreciate it....keeps me on my toes. and yes.....I see the Giants going for Tua this draft for sure......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 9:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 9:31:12 GMT -5
BBI has Arnette as a 3rd round pick. I would run to the lectern with his name if he is there in the 3rd. No way he makes it to 99 even if he personally shares videos every day with bong gas masks till the draft
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 3, 2020 9:34:40 GMT -5
I think Baker turns it around this year with new coaching. His skill set is there, no question in my mind. I guess he needs some motivation which is unfortunate but hopefully these new coaches get the best out of him. If so, he is a lock down type IMO.
With Baker as the #2, Bradberry #1
Ballentine, Beal, Haley beind that.
I guess a mid/later round CB could be in play.
Arnette is one I like but he is probably a 2nd rounder.
Troy Pride Jr from ND and Bryce Hall from Virginia are 2 other kids Id keep an eye on.
Essang Bassey as a slot corner seems like a decent look.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 3, 2020 9:38:18 GMT -5
I think Baker turns it around this year with new coaching. His skill set is there, no question in my mind. I guess he needs some motivation which is unfortunate but hopefully these new coaches get the best out of him. If so, he is a lock down type IMO. I tend to agree He did a great job against the Alabama WRs,the Ole Miss WRs that were lined up opposite of him ..guys either balling in the pros or will be soon..
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 3, 2020 9:46:14 GMT -5
BBI has Arnette as a 3rd round pick. I would run to the lectern with his name if he is there in the 3rd. I think He said most of the scouts had Arnette day 2. I believe his grades just put Arnette around the 3rd round but thinks he going to go earlier.
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