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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2020 18:40:36 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 4, 2020 19:55:38 GMT -5
Man in those coverage clips he makes it look easy to flip his hips and run with anyone down field, gave them zero space.
This guys nails the reason I want him on this team though. He has an incredibly high ceiling. It's the type that can actually change how we play defense against these offenses. I don't see us passing on him in this draft class.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 4, 2020 20:15:40 GMT -5
Based on physical attributes, he's a bigger, faster, more explosive Sean Taylor, may he RIP.
Taylor - 6'2-ish, 230lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.5 40yd, 10'1 broad Simmons - 6'3-ish, 240lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.39 40yd, 11'0 broad
Not sure if Simmons can play FS like Taylor, but as many of the folks commenting on the post mention, if we have a DC that knows how to use him he should be a game changer. I wouldn't be upset.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2020 20:32:55 GMT -5
Man in those coverage clips he makes it look easy to flip his hips and run with anyone down field, gave them zero space. This guys nails the reason I want him on this team though. He has an incredibly high ceiling. It's the type that can actually change how we play defense against these offenses. I don't see us passing on him in this draft class. I like him a lot but I just dont know if I trust the coaches yet to know how to use him.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 4, 2020 20:37:48 GMT -5
Based on physical attributes, he's a bigger, faster, more explosive Sean Taylor, may he RIP. Taylor - 6'2-ish, 230lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.5 40yd, 10'1 broad Simmons - 6'3-ish, 240lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.39 40yd, 11'0 broad Not sure if Simmons can play FS like Taylor, but as many of the folks commenting on the post mention, if we have a DC that knows how to use him he should be a game changer. I wouldn't be upset. That's my biggest concern. I have no idea who coaches are. They talk a good game and preach versatility but can they implement that vision?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 4, 2020 21:13:45 GMT -5
Based on physical attributes, he's a bigger, faster, more explosive Sean Taylor, may he RIP. Taylor - 6'2-ish, 230lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.5 40yd, 10'1 broad Simmons - 6'3-ish, 240lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.39 40yd, 11'0 broad Not sure if Simmons can play FS like Taylor, but as many of the folks commenting on the post mention, if we have a DC that knows how to use him he should be a game changer. I wouldn't be upset. That's my biggest concern. I have no idea who coaches are. They talk a good game and preach versatility but can they implement that vision? so pass on a great player because your worried about the coaches? If the cant coach a supposed great player what will they do with the rest of the team?
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 4, 2020 21:19:17 GMT -5
Based on physical attributes, he's a bigger, faster, more explosive Sean Taylor, may he RIP. Taylor - 6'2-ish, 230lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.5 40yd, 10'1 broad Simmons - 6'3-ish, 240lbs, 39 inch vert, 4.39 40yd, 11'0 broad Not sure if Simmons can play FS like Taylor, but as many of the folks commenting on the post mention, if we have a DC that knows how to use him he should be a game changer. I wouldn't be upset. That's my biggest concern. I have no idea who coaches are. They talk a good game and preach versatility but can they implement that vision? Man, do they talk a good game. It really doesn't matter, but after BM and PS got done speaking after their initial press conference I remember calling my dad to talk about it and both of us saying we weren't impressed. In short, it boiled down to no command, really. Judge could be a buffoon. He could be absolutely god awful. I'm 100% bought in, though. He sounds like a breath of fresh air. No icing, all cake, and I love it. I don't see us taking a step back in terms of the big picture. I think going into next off-season, Giants fans are going to be real excited.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 4, 2020 22:05:45 GMT -5
Man, do they talk a good game. It really doesn't matter, but after BM and PS got done speaking after their initial press conference I remember calling my dad to talk about it and both of us saying we weren't impressed. In short, it boiled down to no command, really. Judge could be a buffoon. He could be absolutely god awful. I'm 100% bought in, though. He sounds like a breath of fresh air. No icing, all cake, and I love it. I don't see us taking a step back in terms of the big picture. I think going into next off-season, Giants fans are going to be real excited. Piddy who the **** wants a cake with no icing?
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 4, 2020 22:07:22 GMT -5
Man in those coverage clips he makes it look easy to flip his hips and run with anyone down field, gave them zero space. This guys nails the reason I want him on this team though. He has an incredibly high ceiling. It's the type that can actually change how we play defense against these offenses. I don't see us passing on him in this draft class. I like him a lot but I just dont know if I trust the coaches yet to know how to use him. If our coaches can't figure out how to use him we are screwed anyway. Worst case scenario you pick a position and stick him in it. He can play about 4-5 different positions. Best case scenario they use him to the fullest extent possible and continue the evolution.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 4, 2020 22:12:30 GMT -5
Still an athletic toy playing a non priority position who has questionable football instincts that also can't get off of blocks
Frightening risk at 4,6 ,or 7 when the logical and sound football decision is to take one of the tackles that have a much higher floor,play a high priority position,that allows us to cut Soldier with no hesitation next year and save 20 million in space..and protect the most important asset on this team,Jones
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Post by jintslifer1 on Apr 5, 2020 6:38:28 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 5, 2020 7:29:41 GMT -5
I like him a lot but I just dont know if I trust the coaches yet to know how to use him. If our coaches can't figure out how to use him we are screwed anyway. Worst case scenario you pick a position and stick him in it. He can play about 4-5 different positions. Best case scenario they use him to the fullest extent possible and continue the evolution. That's what makes him so attractive, he could plug multiple holes in our porous defense with one pick due to his versatility. Makes him a 3 down player. That being said, I still would prefer for us to take one of the OT's at 4.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 5, 2020 10:07:34 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 Exactly Peppers is that player A game changer on defense is Young
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:15:04 GMT -5
That's my biggest concern. I have no idea who coaches are. They talk a good game and preach versatility but can they implement that vision? so pass on a great player because your worried about the coaches? If the cant coach a supposed great player what will they do with the rest of the team? For me yes I have no idea about these coaches. We have been through 2 coaching staffs the last 3 years who talked a good game. I am now in a wait and see mode. Miami's defense was so "versatile" they traded away a thier most versatile defender in Minkah Fitzpatrick who proceeded to light it up for the Steelers. Everything I am reading about Simmons says he needs the right fit and scheme. I dont know our scheme or how they envision where he would play plus we have a rookie HC, so yes I am unsure if he would used correctly here.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2020 10:19:49 GMT -5
If our coaches can't figure out how to use him we are screwed anyway. Worst case scenario you pick a position and stick him in it. He can play about 4-5 different positions. Best case scenario they use him to the fullest extent possible and continue the evolution. That's what makes him so attractive, he could plug multiple holes in our porous defense with one pick due to his versatility. Makes him a 3 down player. That being said, I still would prefer for us to take one of the OT's at 4. Nothing wrong with wanted an OT, it's certainly needed. We either improve our O or our D. Simmons is certainly a 3 down player though. He can be on the field in every situation. Those coverage reps on that All 22 was incredible.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2020 10:22:34 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 Exactly Peppers is that player A game changer on defense is Young I don't Peppers ever became that player. He is very skilled but he is 5'11" 213 pounds vs 6'4" 238 pounds. BUT even if Peppers was that player I would still want Simmons, why not have two versatile players? I would prefer 5 of them if we could find that many.
Young is a game changer for sure in a very different way.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:24:28 GMT -5
That's my biggest concern. I have no idea who coaches are. They talk a good game and preach versatility but can they implement that vision? Man, do they talk a good game. It really doesn't matter, but after BM and PS got done speaking after their initial press conference I remember calling my dad to talk about it and both of us saying we weren't impressed. In short, it boiled down to no command, really. Judge could be a buffoon. He could be absolutely god awful. I'm 100% bought in, though. He sounds like a breath of fresh air. No icing, all cake, and I love it. I don't see us taking a step back in terms of the big picture. I think going into next off-season, Giants fans are going to be real excited. I am a little more cautious after the ownership already fired thier last 2 picks at HC. They really don't have a track record of picking good HCs so far. I am hoping for success nd more than 5 wins. I really dont have any reason to believe that they will be better. A rookie HC , a DC from a defense that might be worse than ours and OC that had pro bowlers all over his offensive roster.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:29:49 GMT -5
Exactly Peppers is that player A game changer on defense is Young I don't Peppers ever became that player. He is very skilled but he is 5'11" 213 pounds vs 6'4" 238 pounds. BUT even if Peppers was that player I would still want Simmons, why not have two versatile players? I would prefer 5 of them if we could find that many.
Young is a game changer for sure in a very different way.
I agree the alignments and personell packages you can switch in an out of with out subbing would be advantageous for the defense. I also think Simmons brings more to the table than Peppers and Peppers rookie contract is coming to an end so you have a replacement with a better upside.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:35:58 GMT -5
I like him a lot but I just dont know if I trust the coaches yet to know how to use him. If our coaches can't figure out how to use him we are screwed anyway. Worst case scenario you pick a position and stick him in it. He can play about 4-5 different positions. Best case scenario they use him to the fullest extent possible and continue the evolution. That where I am stuck right now. Our current OLB coach (Bielema) didn't offer Simmons a scholarship because he had no idea how to use him.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:37:28 GMT -5
Man, do they talk a good game. It really doesn't matter, but after BM and PS got done speaking after their initial press conference I remember calling my dad to talk about it and both of us saying we weren't impressed. In short, it boiled down to no command, really. Judge could be a buffoon. He could be absolutely god awful. I'm 100% bought in, though. He sounds like a breath of fresh air. No icing, all cake, and I love it. I don't see us taking a step back in terms of the big picture. I think going into next off-season, Giants fans are going to be real excited. Piddy who the **** wants a cake with no icing? isn't a chocolate cake with no icing just a brownie? I love brownies.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 5, 2020 10:41:12 GMT -5
Piddy who the **** wants a cake with no icing? isn't a chocolate cake with no icing just a brownie? I love brownies. a proper brownie should be significantly more dense than chocolate cake. Somewhere between cake and fudge.
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 10:43:21 GMT -5
Man in those coverage clips he makes it look easy to flip his hips and run with anyone down field, gave them zero space. This guys nails the reason I want him on this team though. He has an incredibly high ceiling. It's the type that can actually change how we play defense against these offenses. I don't see us passing on him in this draft class. I was also impressed how quickly he closes once he recognizes the play and his reach to make text book tackle a player length way from him. We have no speed on this defense he instantly changes that for the front seven whether its chasing,crashing or blitzing he gets there quick. There is a reason that he has so many TFLs.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2020 10:57:12 GMT -5
If our coaches can't figure out how to use him we are screwed anyway. Worst case scenario you pick a position and stick him in it. He can play about 4-5 different positions. Best case scenario they use him to the fullest extent possible and continue the evolution. That where I am stuck right now. Our current OLB coach (Bielema) didn't offer Simmons a scholarship because he had no idea how to use him. I'm not so worried about Bielema. As a LB coach he is teaching the guys how to play LB. When he works with Simmons he will be teaching him the finer points of playing LB. Graham and Judge are the ones that will be dictating how to use Simmons and I think they won't have an issue with that.
If we pick him of course.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 5, 2020 10:59:12 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 I’m a Peppers fan, but he’s not close to the player that Simmons is
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 5, 2020 11:01:37 GMT -5
That where I am stuck right now. Our current OLB coach (Bielema) didn't offer Simmons a scholarship because he had no idea how to use him. I'm not so worried about Bielema. As a LB coach he is teaching the guys how to play LB. When he works with Simmons he will be teaching him the finer points of playing LB. Graham and Judge are the ones that will be dictating how to use Simmons and I think they won't have an issue with that.
If we pick him of course.
That's a great point also that he moved around so often he never really was taught the nuances of the position.He does have the IQ and coachability to pick things up as he excelled at every position he was put in college.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4You wouldn't take Chase Young at 4?
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 5, 2020 12:52:33 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 How about 6’5, 250lbs with a 4.5u 40 yard dash. 3’ vert and 130 inch broad. 34 inch arms and 10 3/8 hands? That guy is on our roster too.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 5, 2020 14:06:40 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 peppers is nothing like simmons,,simmons is the best LB/safety/CB/Pass rush combo in this draft. He does things that peppers is supposed to do but doesn't. Your saying he's a tweener because he excels at multiple positions? yeah I'll take that. He is going to be just as valuable as young to the team he gets drafted by. All this negative talk about simmons but chase young has his drawbacks as well. at least we know simmons shows up when it counts most, in big games.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 5, 2020 16:16:32 GMT -5
I can’t keep thinking we already have a very similar player on our roster. He and Jabril peppers seem like almost identical talents. At 4, you need a game changer. Simmons may or may not be that, but in my opinion. You don’t take a tweener at 4 peppers is nothing like simmons,,simmons is the best LB/safety/CB/Pass rush combo in this draft. He does things that peppers is supposed to do but doesn't. Your saying he's a tweener because he excels at multiple positions? yeah I'll take that. He is going to be just as valuable as young to the team he gets drafted by. All this negative talk about simmons but chase young has his drawbacks as well. at least we know simmons shows up when it counts most, in big games. People still calling people a tweener like it is a negative make me laugh. Since judge became coach he has described his desire to sign "tweeners" in every interview I have seen. He uses the term versatile but it means the exact same thing. These same people still think a DT has to be 350 pounds while the best DT in football is 280 pounds. They think DEs have to be 280 pounds yet the best DE in the draft is 265 pounds.
They are simply blinded to the reality of the modern NFL. Tweener is no longer a bad thing. The very fact that Simmons is even talked about as being a top 5-10 pick should make that very obvious. But the hate is so strong in some people they will bury their head in the sand and ignore reality in an attempt to make their dreams come true.
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 6, 2020 0:02:02 GMT -5
It’s not hate or dreams. I think it’s a well thought out, rational argument to take the OT over Simmons.
Daniel Jones’ development is the most important issue of this season. This drafts strengths offer the resources to provide him with instant upgrades at tackle, center, and WR. The ancillary benefits of giving Barkley space to do what he can do and immediate cap relief are icing.
I’m not allergic to defense. I’d take Chase Young at 4. He is an immense talent at a premier position that is a priority need. From watching this fIlm review, I think Simmons is very few of those things. The only argument I hear from the people whose heads aren’t buried in sand is;
Our defense was bad and this is a great athlete.
There will be other great athletes. There may not be another chance to shepherd Daniel Jones maturation like the one we will have in 3 weeks.. We need a franchise qb, not a great athlete.
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