Rise and fall of the prospects - rumors

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It's that time, when actual real evaluators and team leaks become reality, and the draft board now enters into the hands of the guys who make a living studying these players for actual teams.

I'm going to post some rumors that might interest the Giants, that I will try and provide links...these are insider rumblings and GM's of teams offering smoke ....or fire?

Please feel free to add to this thread as we get closer to D Day....


Andrew Thomas

Yes, THAT Andrew Thomas

Ahead of the 2020 NFL Draft, the New York Giants will video interview Georgia offensive tackle Andrew Thomas, according to a report by Jordan Reid of The Draft Network.

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Georgia OT Andrew Thomas, who’s widely seen as one of the best offensive tackle prospects in this class, has had FaceTime meetings with the #Browns, #Dolphins, #Jaguars, and #Jets. He also has a meeting with the #Giants upcoming this week, per source.

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The 6-foot-5, 315-pound Thomas was a key player on Georgia teams that won 11 or more games three straight seasons, won three straight SEC Eastern Division titles, and played in three straight New Year's Six Bowl games. One of the top high school recruits in Georgia, Thomas started all 15 games at right tackle as a true freshman and earned Freshman All-America honors from ESPN, USA Today and the Football Writers Association of America. He switched to left tackle the next season.
Thomas, the No. 17 overall prospect according to NFL.com’s Daniel Jeremiah, was named to the Walter Camp All-America First Team in 2019, when he also won the SEC's Jacobs Blocking Trophy. He was UGA's first recipient of the award in 21 years.

Henry Ruggs

24 of his 98 receptions were touchdowns..that's a stat, and that is insane.

Some NFL teams, according to their GM's have Ruggs WR1...this is a tweet from move the sticks and DJ

Simmons? 

The theme of this draft- speed! Every team I talk to mentions the importance of getting faster. Teams like KC & BAL are going to be an obstacle for a LONG time. Need explosive plays/playmakers on both sides of the ball.

I'll avoid the Yannick Ngakoue rumor, as that is speculation...he wants out, we need a pass rush. When we get some smoke there I can post it up. 


I posted this in another thread,  Isaiah Wilson being a riser 

thedraftnetwork.com/articles/nfl-draft-isaiah-wilson-first-round-team-fits



Jeremy Chinn

Seems like this is Simmons 2 according to some scouts...huge athletic Swiss army safety. DJ thinks he could sneak into round 1.

www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/draft-profile-prospect-s-jeremy-chinn-southern-illinois

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Adding to Andrew Thomas...and the video calls

nfltraderumors.co/georgia-ot-andrew-thomas-meeting-virtually-with-five-teams/

Giants AND...Browns, Dolphins, Jaguars and Jets...smoke or fire? 

[IrishMike]

Please don't trade for Ngakoue. Don't mind the player at all but will cost a ton of $ no sense giving up picks too.

I heard on the radio this morning that only the Redskins and Lions reached out to Chase Young. Guess teams don't think he is getting past 3.

[IrishMike]

Apr 8, 2020 17:35:30 GMT -5 Aris said:

Adding to Andrew Thomas...and the video calls

nfltraderumors.co/georgia-ot-andrew-thomas-meeting-virtually-with-five-teams/

Giants AND...Browns, Dolphins, Jaguars and Jets...smoke or fire? 

Any word on what other OTs the Giants are talking to? I'm thinking this is smoke (due diligence) if he is the only OT they talk to. Even if they love this kid they better have a plan if he gets taken before their pick. I would make a list of my top 10 prospects and talk to them all just in case.

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Apr 8, 2020 17:39:04 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

Please don't trade for Ngakoue. Don't mind the player at all but will cost a ton of $ no sense giving up picks too.

I heard on the radio this morning that only the Redskins and Lions reached out to Chase Young. Guess teams don't think he is getting past 3.

Interesting article by Benjamin Solak suggesting that Okudah should not be counted out as a Redskins pick

thedraftnetwork.com/articles/jeffrey-okudah-chase-young-ohio-state-washington-redskins-nfl-draft-2020

They do use PFF at times in this article, to take a deep breath before reading 

This question dominated much of the last offseason: coverage versus pass rush. Pro Football Focus instigated and largely carried that conversation across the landscape over the last couple of years, and it's forced a recalibration in our perception of how defenses flow.

Good pass rushes speed up a quarterback's time to throw; good coverage defenders slow it down.

He goes on further to suggest, and I believe correctly, the CB drops talent quicker as he plays, and you need more of them to "slow the QB's time"...vs a single dominating pass rusher. 

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Apr 8, 2020 17:41:07 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

Apr 8, 2020 17:35:30 GMT -5 Aris said:

Adding to Andrew Thomas...and the video calls

nfltraderumors.co/georgia-ot-andrew-thomas-meeting-virtually-with-five-teams/

Giants AND...Browns, Dolphins, Jaguars and Jets...smoke or fire? 

Any word on what other OTs the Giants are talking to? I'm thinking this is smoke (due diligence) if he is the only OT they talk to. Even if they love this kid they better have a plan if he gets taken before their pick. I would make a list of my top 10 prospects and talk to them all just in case.

I'm thinking they want to trade back, badly...and they might have him as OT2 or OT3, and in the same group as the others, and just want to play it safe in case he is there at a later pick.

I truly believe DJ from the NFL Network has a pulse on the league, and these rumors from all the insiders create all the movement you see on these boards as the last 2 weeks arrive. 

[giantlegacy]

Apr 8, 2020 17:55:02 GMT -5 Aris said:

Apr 8, 2020 17:41:07 GMT -5 IrishMike said:

Any word on what other OTs the Giants are talking to? I'm thinking this is smoke (due diligence) if he is the only OT they talk to. Even if they love this kid they better have a plan if he gets taken before their pick. I would make a list of my top 10 prospects and talk to them all just in case.

I'm thinking they want to trade back, badly...and they might have him as OT2 or OT3, and in the same group as the others, and just want to play it safe in case he is there at a later pick.

I truly believe DJ from the NFL Network has a pulse on the league, and these rumors from all the insiders create all the movement you see on these boards as the last 2 weeks arrive. 

And DJ has definitely zeroed in on Wirfs for us...adding more smoke from the combines ..

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Apr 8, 2020 18:09:28 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Apr 8, 2020 17:55:02 GMT -5 Aris said:

I'm thinking they want to trade back, badly...and they might have him as OT2 or OT3, and in the same group as the others, and just want to play it safe in case he is there at a later pick.

I truly believe DJ from the NFL Network has a pulse on the league, and these rumors from all the insiders create all the movement you see on these boards as the last 2 weeks arrive. 

And DJ has definitely zeroed in on Wirfs for us...adding more smoke from the combines ..

Becton and Wirfs, the two that need the most coaching, but the two with probably the higher ceilings. 

Maybe Thomas is a smokescreen

[nygfanstrick]

Can Chase Young leak himself hitting bongs during Quarantine so he can fall to 4 please

[Blue Hulk]

I like Jeremy Chinn

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Tua flunks physical - BRITTLE

Tua Tagovailoa's injury history hasn't stopped him from still checking in as one of the premier quarterbacks in the 2020 NFL Draft class, but some teams have reportedly become increasingly wary of the former Alabama quarterback's health as the draft approaches. As highlighted by AL.com, former Cleveland Browns general manager Michael Lombardi, during a recent episode of his "GM Shuffle" podcast, claimed that two teams have "flunked" Tagovailoa on their pre-draft physical.

“It’s not just his hip,” Lombardi said. “It’s his ankle. It’s his wrist. He broke his wrist the first day of spring ball one year. … He’s brittle. He is brittle. You can’t deny it.”

While Lombardi did not reveal which teams flunked the former Crimson Tide star, one of them was a team with a top-10 pick, according to Lombardi.



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[giantlegacy]

Apr 10, 2020 18:17:33 GMT -5 Aris said:

Tua flunks physical - BRITTLE

Tua Tagovailoa's injury history hasn't stopped him from still checking in as one of the premier quarterbacks in the 2020 NFL Draft class, but some teams have reportedly become increasingly wary of the former Alabama quarterback's health as the draft approaches. As highlighted by AL.com, former Cleveland Browns general manager Michael Lombardi, during a recent episode of his "GM Shuffle" podcast, claimed that two teams have "flunked" Tagovailoa on their pre-draft physical.

“It’s not just his hip,” Lombardi said. “It’s his ankle. It’s his wrist. He broke his wrist the first day of spring ball one year. … He’s brittle. He is brittle. You can’t deny it.”

While Lombardi did not reveal which teams flunked the former Crimson Tide star, one of them was a team with a top-10 pick, according to Lombardi.



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A team that is lying through its teeth hoping he falls to them

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Apr 10, 2020 18:20:32 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

Apr 10, 2020 18:17:33 GMT -5 Aris said:

Tua flunks physical - BRITTLE

A team that is lying through its teeth hoping he falls to them

Smoke might be thick here...but no denying he is brittle. If I was the Giants with a 38 year old Manning, I'd pass on him...just because of the injuries. 

[giantlegacy]

Apr 10, 2020 18:28:52 GMT -5 Aris said:

Apr 10, 2020 18:20:32 GMT -5 giantlegacy said:

A team that is lying through its teeth hoping he falls to them

Smoke might be thick here...but no denying he is brittle. If I was the Giants with a 38 year old Manning, I'd pass on him...just because of the injuries. 

Yep
Herbert would have been our guy anyway

[Fletch842]

I think the teams that are failing him, are not doing so because of the pre-draft physical he took last week, rather his total injury history, assuming they are not trying to scare other teams away, as GL said above. I don't think any team is failing he due to any of the recent data (his physical a few weeks ago, the video's he's been releasing, etc).

[IrishMike]

Apr 11, 2020 7:15:16 GMT -5 Fletch842 said:

I think the teams that are failing him, are not doing so because of the pre-draft physical he took last week, rather his total injury history, assuming they are not trying to scare other teams away, as GL said above. I don't think any team is failing he due to any of the recent data (his physical a few weeks ago, the video's he's been releasing, etc).

I agree. It's being "reported" that teams are worried he is a 1 contract player in this league. People scoff at the idea but it's a legit concern. The Redskins have been down that road pretty recently.

I'm shocked Thomas appears to be dropping out of favor as coming to the Giants. I still have him as OT #1 on my list.