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Post by IrishMike on Apr 18, 2020 22:27:56 GMT -5
Some more Voch Lombardi All 22 film. I had said early on in this off season that Wills has the feet and Thomas has the hands. I think that is evident in these two videos. I also said I think Wills is OT3 and Thomas OT1. Well who really knows. I do think if we go OT then it will be Jedrick Wills. I called him "boring" and I still think that, but not in a bad way. Dude is just so smooth.
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 18, 2020 22:30:03 GMT -5
but can wills truly play LT? if not I can't see it at 4.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 18, 2020 22:50:07 GMT -5
but can wills truly play LT? if not I can't see it at 4. Not sure. My thought is that Judge has already called Nick Saban to ask his opinion on that and get the real reason why he played RT. Also I think that Judge and company like Solder more than people here do, so he is probably ok with taking a RT and not forcing a pick for a LT that is graded lower. I still think we don't go OT, but if we do then I think it'll be Wills. |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2020 1:56:51 GMT -5
but can wills truly play LT? if not I can't see it at 4. Not sure. My thought is that Judge has already called Nick Saban to ask his opinion on that and get the real reason why he played RT. Also I think that Judge and company like Solder more than people here do, so he is probably ok with taking a RT and not forcing a pick for a LT that is graded lower. I still think we don't go OT, but if we do then I think it'll be Wills. Because Tua is a lefty? He also played LT when Hurts was QB. Alot of talk on podcasts we could be leaning towards Wills. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 2:18:05 GMT -5
Not sure. My thought is that Judge has already called Nick Saban to ask his opinion on that and get the real reason why he played RT. Also I think that Judge and company like Solder more than people here do, so he is probably ok with taking a RT and not forcing a pick for a LT that is graded lower. I still think we don't go OT, but if we do then I think it'll be Wills. Because Tua is a lefty? He also played LT when Hurts was QB. Alot of talk on podcasts we could be leaning towards Wills. Actually didn't know he played LT when Hurts was the qb This is good because if true it means he can swap with no issues As of now watching his tape and some games he has better footwork and technique than half the starting RTs right now...he comes in and he is an instant impact on that line with an upward arrow And yeah...seems the Wirf smoke is drifting Wills way..Jeremiah has him going to us in his final mock and he is as connected as anyone |
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Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2020 2:41:17 GMT -5
Because Tua is a lefty? He also played LT when Hurts was QB. Alot of talk on podcasts we could be leaning towards Wills. This is good because if true it means he can swap with no issues As of now watching his tape and some games he has better footwork and technique than half the starting RTs right now...he comes in and he is an instant impact on that line with an upward arrow And yeah...seems the Wirf smoke is drifting Wills way..Jeremiah has him going to us in his final mock and he is as connected as anyone I was wrong about that, he always played RT. Here a quote from Saban: “He was the left tackle for us by playing right tackle because Tua [Tagovailoa] was left-handed,’’ Saban said. “But he always played right tackle. He played right tackle in high school, he’s always played right tackle here. He has all the physical abilities to be able to play left tackle. He’s got the feet, he can pass-block well enough, he’s smart, he can do all the things he needs to do to be a left tackle.' |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 2:47:19 GMT -5
Actually didn't know he played LT when Hurts was the qbThis is good because if true it means he can swap with no issues As of now watching his tape and some games he has better footwork and technique than half the starting RTs right now...he comes in and he is an instant impact on that line with an upward arrow And yeah...seems the Wirf smoke is drifting Wills way..Jeremiah has him going to us in his final mock and he is as connected as anyone I was wrong about that, he always played RT. Here a quote from Saban: “He was the left tackle for us by playing right tackle because Tua [Tagovailoa] was left-handed,’’ Saban said. “But he always played right tackle. He played right tackle in high school, he’s always played right tackle here. He has all the physical abilities to be able to play left tackle. He’s got the feet, he can pass-block well enough, he’s smart, he can do all the things he needs to do to be a left tackle.'Interesting.... Remember folks RT has become as important as LT these days the way teams move their best pass.rushers over to the weak link..which usually is the RT.. How many times have we seen a Clay Matthews jr,Kahlil Mack..ect move over our right side |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2020 7:24:53 GMT -5
Personally, I still would take Thomas, but if the Giants think Wills is the guy (or Wirfs for that matter), I'll be equally happy. I'm a casual college football watcher, happened to have seen about 10 Georgia games over the last few years, so have seen a lot more of Thomas than the other guys. What Saban says to the press on his players is a tad suspect, but I would image he would be completely straight with Judge whom he as a personal relationship with. I've developed very high respect for Kirk Ferentz and how he develops O Lineman, so Wirfs certainly has that going for him.
Also, I agree with GL that RT is right up there with LT in importance. The way that defenses shift you get plenty of pro-bowl pass rush from that spot as well.
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Post by piddy283 on Apr 19, 2020 7:31:00 GMT -5
This was the initial video of Wills that got my attention. The very first play is impressive. Lombardi even rewinds the clip a few times to point out how effortless Wills slide is (3:35 & 5:00).
If we stay at #4, he'd be my favorite pick.
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Post by jaymas on Apr 19, 2020 8:39:07 GMT -5
I'm no expert but I don't see why Wills couldn't play LT. His fundamental technique seems so sound. Silky was a good way to put it.
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 19, 2020 8:39:53 GMT -5
Wills or Thomas, id be THRILLED with either.
As for the LT vs RT debate, i dont see it being an issue having him playing on the left. I always figured he was the RT at Bama because Tua is a lefty making RT his blindside protector
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Post by GameTime on Apr 19, 2020 8:52:49 GMT -5
been my favorites from start of the draft talk.
Thomas -1
Wills -2
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 19, 2020 9:08:39 GMT -5
I picked Wirfs in my mock but it was because all of the supposed people in the know saying that was what was going to happen. I originally liked Thomas the best and have stated on this board numerous times that Andrew Thomas was my favorite. Wills was generally thought to be on the right side cause Tua being left handed.
But I had thought Thomas, Wills, Wirfs and then Becton. Becton now with the test coming up dirty should absolutely be the 4th OT. Wirfs is projected by a number of mock draft guys as a Guard. It just makes sense either Thomas or Wills. Thomas has experience as a LT I would think that gives him at least a slight edge.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2020 9:27:45 GMT -5
Not sure. My thought is that Judge has already called Nick Saban to ask his opinion on that and get the real reason why he played RT. Also I think that Judge and company like Solder more than people here do, so he is probably ok with taking a RT and not forcing a pick for a LT that is graded lower. I still think we don't go OT, but if we do then I think it'll be Wills. Because Tua is a lefty? He also played LT when Hurts was QB. Alot of talk on podcasts we could be leaning towards Wills. Nah he was a RT always. No one really knows why other than maybe him and the coaches. That might not even be a factor though. We need two OTs. |
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2020 9:34:24 GMT -5
One of the reasons like Trey Adams in the 3rd round. He matched up (#72) very good against Chase Young (#2)
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2020 9:56:57 GMT -5
One of the reasons like Trey Adams in the 3rd round. He matched up (#72) very good against Chase Young (#2) Yeah so I have been a fan of Adams for a while. Dude is huge and a solid player. He had a major injury though, which is always scary with a man his size. My question is this though, where will he be drafted? I have seen everything from round 2 all the way to round 6. IMO if this guy is there in round 5 I don't know how anyone passes on him.
Terrible video of him though. Chase Young beats him outside every snap lol.
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Post by TEM on Apr 19, 2020 10:06:59 GMT -5
One of the reasons like Trey Adams in the 3rd round. He matched up (#72) very good against Chase Young (#2) Yeah so I have been a fan of Adams for a while. Dude is huge and a solid player. He had a major injury though, which is always scary with a man his size. My question is this though, where will he be drafted? I have seen everything from round 2 all the way to round 6. IMO if this guy is there in round 5 I don't know how anyone passes on him.
Terrible video of him though. Chase Young beats him outside every snap lol.
What I see him doing is forcing Young in to the outside to make a wide arc to the QB and he aint getting there. |
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Post by bavarobeast on Apr 19, 2020 10:24:07 GMT -5
been my favorites from start of the draft talk. Thomas -1 Wills -2 Ditto I’m not sure why some don’t think Thomas is choice A - He offers the best combo of pass and run blocking of the 4. I like Wills a lot - he is a beast - but I think he’ll be a long term RT or maybe even a Guard when all is said and done. Saying that I’m not ruling out he could end up being solid at LT. I hope we take Thomas. I won’t be disappointed if it’s Wills though. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Apr 19, 2020 10:29:36 GMT -5
Honestly, Wills has been my choice since the combine.
Becton is a freak of nature but there are concerns with his pass protection technique and we know all too much with that. What scares me with Becton is if he tries to solely rely on his strength and power rather than technique. But with that said, his issues are absolutely correctable given the right OL coach.
Wirfs from what I've read may end up being a better guard than tackle. Giants need a franchise tackle, on either side. The last two tackles we picked in the first round both wound up with more success at guard in Pugh and Flowers, as their draft profiles thought they would be.
Thomas seems like the most safe pick when it comes to OL to me. Issues Ive heard were with footwork in pass protection which again can be corrected.
Wills seems to me like a homerun hit. The whole height thing doesnt concern me, he is an inch shorter than Thomas, Wirfs. If hes drafted I fully expect him to start on the right side and hopefully slide over to the left in 2021.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 10:30:07 GMT -5
One of the reasons like Trey Adams in the 3rd round. He matched up (#72) very good against Chase Young (#2) Injury history unfortunately Sadly he is a luxury pick after we get our guy 4/6...and if we don't trade back we can't take advantage of the competitive medical advantage theory that Kirwin speaks of |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 10:33:05 GMT -5
been my favorites from start of the draft talk. Thomas -1 Wills -2 Ditto I’m not sure why some don’t think Thomas is choice A - He offers the best combo of pass and run blocking of the 4. I like Wills a lot - he is a beast - but I think he’ll be a long term RT or maybe even a Guard when all is said and done. Saying that I’m not ruling out he could end up being solid at LT. I hope we take Thomas. I won’t be disappointed if it’s Wills though. He has done absolutely nothing to warrant this perceived drop out of the top 10 from being the 4th best player in the country Somebody is going to get a 10 to even 15 year above average day one starter at T with perennial pro bowl talent this year |
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Post by wtfjjk on Apr 19, 2020 10:33:20 GMT -5
Thomas is the guy for me. WIlls has some great feet. His feet are so sick I actually laughed at how funny he looks sliding and shuffling but unless his video was mirrored and he was actually playing LT, I'll take Thomas.
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Post by cocktailkerry on Apr 19, 2020 10:49:51 GMT -5
but can wills truly play LT? if not I can't see it at 4. This is the drum I've been banging on for the past several weeks. If we stay at 4 and take a Tackle, whoever that player is should be in competition to start on the left side from day 1. If none of the OTs are in position to do that, take BPA, Simmons, Okudah, even Derrick Brown if he is the highest graded and the grades aren't close. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 19, 2020 10:50:53 GMT -5
A lot of so called elite defensive ends rush the Right side now. Why not exploit a weakness.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 10:52:34 GMT -5
A lot of so called elite defensive ends rush the Right side now. Why not exploit a weakness. Strahan started that trend |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 19, 2020 12:15:54 GMT -5
but can wills truly play LT? if not I can't see it at 4. This is the drum I've been banging on for the past several weeks. If we stay at 4 and take a Tackle, whoever that player is should be in competition to start on the left side from day 1. If none of the OTs are in position to do that, take BPA, Simmons, Okudah, even Derrick Brown if he is the highest graded and the grades aren't close. It's highly unlikely anyone we draft at 4 will start day one at LT. And we need both anyway. Obviously you want to draft they guy who you think can excell there at some point. |
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2020 14:09:06 GMT -5
This is the drum I've been banging on for the past several weeks. If we stay at 4 and take a Tackle, whoever that player is should be in competition to start on the left side from day 1. If none of the OTs are in position to do that, take BPA, Simmons, Okudah, even Derrick Brown if he is the highest graded and the grades aren't close. It's highly unlikely anyone we draft at 4 will start day one at LT. And we need both anyway. Obviously you want to draft they guy who you think can excell there at some point. Lane Johnson and Trenton Brown are the highest paid OTs in the league (by average salary) both are right tackles. |
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Post by rbe40 on Apr 19, 2020 14:12:47 GMT -5
Time to change your mind again
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Post by stroswift10nyg on Apr 19, 2020 15:01:27 GMT -5
Mechi Becton tested positive for drugs so he could fall 2nd round.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 19, 2020 15:04:04 GMT -5
Time to change your mind again Been on the Thomas train all year and I think he is a beast. I think if we take a OT it'll be Wills though. |
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