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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 8:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by GameTime on Apr 19, 2020 9:26:35 GMT -5
cool.....Thomas and Wills.... I agree...  |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2020 9:44:13 GMT -5
I'm watching it right now. They provide some good insight. 2 guys I trust.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 10:01:48 GMT -5
The more I watch Wills the more I think he is the real deal but those Bama OLinemen always scare me in the 1st round.
Thomas is still my too option.
Wills and Wirfs after that.
Becton still not an option for me top 10.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 10:36:33 GMT -5
The more I watch Wills the more I think he is the real deal but those Bama OLinemen always scare me in the 1st round. Thomas is still my too option. Wills and Wirfs after that. Becton still not an option for me top 10.Probably off our board till the 3rd round anyway so unfortunately the trade back to the Raiders is only a threat to force the Chargers to give up.what we want |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 10:45:04 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. They are spot on with my analysis.
Thomas is the best OT option for the future at LT and immediate RT.
Wills has a great chance to play both LT and RT as well. My biggest negative wi th him was his team. Bama OLmen dont normally pan out to expectations. That said, I do like Wills ability the mirror and keep his body wall like.
Wirfs IMO can still play tackle but as most have been saying would be a great G. More than the others. But his ability to play both makes him valuable.
Becton, way too raw for me. Too much risk for the reward.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 19, 2020 11:12:01 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. They are spot on with my analysis. Thomas is the best OT option for the future at LT and immediate RT. Wills has a great chance to play both LT and RT as well. My biggest negative wi th him was his team. Bama OLmen dont normally pan out to expectations. That said, I do like Wills ability the mirror and keep his body wall like. Wirfs IMO can still play tackle but as most have been saying would be a great G. More than the others. But his ability to play both makes him valuable. Becton, way too raw for me. Too much risk for the reward. I think Becton has huge bust potential. Listening to a pdosast where they're saying he's basically a wall. No ability to recover, no lateral movement, doesn't get downfield. Thinks he will end up at Guard. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 11:44:42 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. They are spot on with my analysis. Thomas is the best OT option for the future at LT and immediate RT. Wills has a great chance to play both LT and RT as well. My biggest negative wi th him was his team. Bama OLmen dont normally pan out to expectations. That said, I do like Wills ability the mirror and keep his body wall like. Wirfs IMO can still play tackle but as most have been saying would be a great G. More than the others. But his ability to play both makes him valuable. Becton, way too raw for me. Too much risk for the reward. I think Becton has huge bust potential. Listening to a pdosast where they're saying he's basically a wall. No ability to recover, no lateral movement, doesn't get downfield. Thinks he will end up at Guard. I've said from day 1, he doesnt bend his knees blocking. "Too big". Maybe he can get taught this though and overcome it. They even said the name Erick Flowers who I keep connecting him with becuase of his "yogi bear" blocking attempts meaning doesnt get inside leverage. No thanks. Like I said, very high risk high reward type player. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Apr 19, 2020 11:50:50 GMT -5
Good point on Kirby Smart ( Georgia ) connection .
Plus, the last two years Giants , have drafted L. Carter and Baker.
Isaiah Wilson , I would not move up into the first round ,for him. But, wouldn’t hesitate to take him in the second round.
Still hoping for a trade down , for a extra pick or two.
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 19, 2020 12:12:09 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. They are spot on with my analysis. Thomas is the best OT option for the future at LT and immediate RT. Wills has a great chance to play both LT and RT as well. My biggest negative wi th him was his team. Bama OLmen dont normally pan out to expectations. That said, I do like Wills ability the mirror and keep his body wall like. Wirfs IMO can still play tackle but as most have been saying would be a great G. More than the others. But his ability to play both makes him valuable. Becton, way too raw for me. Too much risk for the reward. They did point out that most Bama OL are "beat to death" by the time they get to the NFL and Wills isnt. For whatever that is worth. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 12:19:32 GMT -5
Just finished watching this. They are spot on with my analysis. Thomas is the best OT option for the future at LT and immediate RT. Wills has a great chance to play both LT and RT as well. My biggest negative wi th him was his team. Bama OLmen dont normally pan out to expectations. That said, I do like Wills ability the mirror and keep his body wall like. Wirfs IMO can still play tackle but as most have been saying would be a great G. More than the others. But his ability to play both makes him valuable. Becton, way too raw for me. Too much risk for the reward. They did point out that most Bama OL are "beat to death" by the time they get to the NFL and Wills isnt. For whatever that is worth. I didnt understand that comment. He was a starter for 3 years there. Is he saying most are starting 4 years? Is that extra year "beating them to death"? Was Womack and all the others there all 4 years starting? |
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 19, 2020 12:22:06 GMT -5
They did point out that most Bama OL are "beat to death" by the time they get to the NFL and Wills isnt. For whatever that is worth. I didnt understand that comment. He was a starter for 3 years there. Is he saying most are starting 4 years? Is that extra year "beating them to death"? Was Womack and all the others there all 4 years starting? Dont know. Which is why I said FWIW. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 19, 2020 12:36:57 GMT -5
This was actually really good and Diehl our swiss army knife on the OL and Ohara a the Center were perfect guys to break this down. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 13:12:32 GMT -5
They did point out that most Bama OL are "beat to death" by the time they get to the NFL and Wills isnt. For whatever that is worth. I didnt understand that comment. He was a starter for 3 years there. Is he saying most are starting 4 years? Is that extra year "beating them to death"? Was Womack and all the others there all 4 years starting? Wills is a completely different player... He is lean and athletic while still having great playing strength and off the charts fundamentals... The offense also charged the past few years,they were a run heavy power football team with big guys beating not so big guys and wearing them out with basically game manager qbs(albeit in a pro style offense) With Tua they added a lot of the Perkins/Erhart concepts (they always ran this passing style albeit more non option routes which made it more a Sean Payton style)and opened up the passing game... Which is why their tackles were not good in the NFL,they could dominate in college as a unit with size...but they all became slugs in the pros.. Ironically the guy thay was getting hyped last fall,Leatherwood..is the exact OT Alabama was putting out and why i was not into him at all...and he plays LT.. Wills already looks like a.legit pro tackle already Oh And people.say he has probably the most violent first "punch" they have ever seen (he was knocking the person holding the blocking dummy on his ass with that force) I want this guy mainly to shut Lawrencd up the first time he tries to go around him and he knocks him.on his ass... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 13:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 19, 2020 13:47:48 GMT -5
I could listen to Diehl talk about the weather. He’s very insightful and brings knowledge when he speaks about football.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 13:51:58 GMT -5
I could listen to Diehl talk about the weather. He’s very insightful and brings knowledge when he speaks about football. Thursday will be partly tackle with a chance of linebacker with temperatures mostly above average.  |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 19, 2020 14:06:03 GMT -5
There is NOTHING in the way Thomas moves his feet that reminds me of Flowers.
THAT technique is ready for prime time.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 14:39:15 GMT -5
There is NOTHING in the way Thomas moves his feet that reminds me of Flowers. THAT technique is ready for prime time. None of the fab 4 remind me of flowers ... |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 14:52:49 GMT -5
Easily Thomas' worst game. Against a beas in Chaisson and he still held his own. Thanks for posting. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 19, 2020 14:53:29 GMT -5
There is NOTHING in the way Thomas moves his feet that reminds me of Flowers. THAT technique is ready for prime time. Becton.... |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 15:00:55 GMT -5
Easily Thomas' worst game. Against a beas in Chaisson and he still held his own. Thanks for posting. This says more about Chaisson (who everyone knows I've been much higher on than anyone )being that good IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 15:03:49 GMT -5
Yeah this was a great breakdown. Thanks kissjrj for the post
Breakdown
Wills day 1 starter, can play LT
Thomas has been doing it since a freshmen, and plays against eventual top tier talent. His one issue easy to correct in the NFL.
Wirfs a possible both sides, they worry about him being beat on the inside moves
Becton a bear, with poor hand placement, hugs vs having his hands inside, compared that flaw to Flowers, and it's almost impossible to teach away.
They believe, or O'Hara does, Solder might have another few years, and could of been a down year...can move RT.
Both believe a no brainer for OT > Simmons
Huge tackle drop-off after Wilson and Cleveland...Jones and Jackson late first rounders, but possible no tackles left at 36 until that massive drop.
All those guys after the top 3, including Becton...need time to become starters. DEEP class.
Weak guard class.
No mention of Tyler Badass at center, O'Hara likes Harris and Hennessy...got the sense he was really high on Harris. Likes Ruiz over Cush....more athletic.
Both like the idea of tackle 4 and center 36.
Suggest Simmons too small to play hand in the dirt, we have a safety, so Simmons would be in the box...seemed they compared him to Derwin James, and so fast if he learned moves, and gained weight...could throw that hand in the dirt...no players to learn from as the Giants have no pass rush guys to teach, like Tuck was.
Wills/Thomas
Wirfs
Becton
They believe OT at 4 is again, an easy selection to make
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 15:10:41 GMT -5
Yeah this was a great breakdown. Thanks kissjrj for the post Breakdown Wills day 1 starter, can play LT Thomas has been doing it since a freshmen, and plays against eventual top tier talent. His one issue easy to correct in the NFL. Wirfs a possible both sides, they worry about him being beat on the inside moves Becton a bear, with poor hand placement, hugs vs having his hands inside, compared that flaw to Flowers, and it's almost impossible to teach away. They believe, or O'Hara does, Solder might have another few years, and could of been a down year...can move RT. Both believe a no brainer for OT > Simmons Huge tackle drop-off after Wilson and Cleveland...Jones and Jackson late first rounders, but possible no tackles left at 36 until that massive drop. All those guys after the top 3, including Becton...need time to become starters. DEEP class. Weak guard class. No mention of Tyler Badass at center, O'Hara likes Harris and Hennessy...got the sense he was really high on Harris. Likes Ruiz over Cush....more athletic. Both like the idea of tackle 4 and center 36. Suggest Simmons too small to play hand in the dirt, we have a safety, so Simmons would be in the box...seemed they compared him to Derwin James, and so fast if he learned moves, and gained weight...could throw that hand in the dirt...no players to learn from as the Giants have no pass rush guys to teach, like Tuck was. Wills/Thomas Wirfs Becton They believe OT at 4 is again, an easy selection to make So Your opinion Do we risk waiting for a C at 99 with how unpredictable everyone's big boards are with this Covid-19 situation if an obvious BPA hits us at 36 with no trade back (Think Murray,Baun,Mims) Or a strategic reach for a particular player we like a lot a C but can't chance with how volatile the draft boards are... History shows a strategic reach for a player teams really like tend to work... Frederick in Dallas was a mid 3rd round graded C in 2013....we all pointed and laughed at Dallas.. Grrrr... |
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 19, 2020 15:15:10 GMT -5
Yeah this was a great breakdown. Thanks kissjrj for the post Breakdown Wills day 1 starter, can play LT Thomas has been doing it since a freshmen, and plays against eventual top tier talent. His one issue easy to correct in the NFL. Wirfs a possible both sides, they worry about him being beat on the inside moves Becton a bear, with poor hand placement, hugs vs having his hands inside, compared that flaw to Flowers, and it's almost impossible to teach away. They believe, or O'Hara does, Solder might have another few years, and could of been a down year...can move RT. Both believe a no brainer for OT > Simmons Huge tackle drop-off after Wilson and Cleveland...Jones and Jackson late first rounders, but possible no tackles left at 36 until that massive drop. All those guys after the top 3, including Becton...need time to become starters. DEEP class. Weak guard class. No mention of Tyler Badass at center, O'Hara likes Harris and Hennessy...got the sense he was really high on Harris. Likes Ruiz over Cush....more athletic. Both like the idea of tackle 4 and center 36. Suggest Simmons too small to play hand in the dirt, we have a safety, so Simmons would be in the box...seemed they compared him to Derwin James, and so fast if he learned moves, and gained weight...could throw that hand in the dirt...no players to learn from as the Giants have no pass rush guys to teach, like Tuck was. Wills/Thomas Wirfs Becton They believe OT at 4 is again, an easy selection to make So Your opinion Do we risk waiting for a C at 99 with how unpredictable everyone's big boards are with this Covid-19 situation if an obvious BPA hits us at 36 with no trade back (Think Murray,Baun,Mims) Or a strategic reach for a particular player we like a lot a C but can't chance with how volatile the draft boards are... History shows a strategic reach for a player teams really like tend to work... Frederick in Dallas was a mid 3rd round graded C in 2013....we all pointed and laughed at Dallas.. Grrrr... I'm hoping that if Ruiz is still there when we pick in the 2nd, that we snatch him up, and I think there will be a number of really good players available in multiple positions at that spot. Should be a tough decision for our FO. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 19, 2020 15:18:40 GMT -5
So Your opinion Do we risk waiting for a C at 99 with how unpredictable everyone's big boards are with this Covid-19 situation if an obvious BPA hits us at 36 with no trade back (Think Murray,Baun,Mims) Or a strategic reach for a particular player we like a lot a C but can't chance with how volatile the draft boards are... History shows a strategic reach for a player teams really like tend to work... Frederick in Dallas was a mid 3rd round graded C in 2013....we all pointed and laughed at Dallas.. Grrrr... I'm hoping that if Ruiz is still there when we pick in the 2nd, that we snatch him up, and I think there will be a number of really good players available in multiple positions at that spot. Should be a tough decision for our FO. History shows there are almost as many great players taken in the fisrt 5 picks in the 2nd as the top 10 overall and its because somehow great players fall out of the first round and teams at the top.of the 2nd scoop these guys ...and teams especially if they hit a BPA at a need early round one are more willing to go BPA here This is why IMO having multiple 2nd round picks often is the way teams get better faster |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 15:24:18 GMT -5
Yeah this was a great breakdown. Thanks kissjrj for the post Breakdown Wills day 1 starter, can play LT Thomas has been doing it since a freshmen, and plays against eventual top tier talent. His one issue easy to correct in the NFL. Wirfs a possible both sides, they worry about him being beat on the inside moves Becton a bear, with poor hand placement, hugs vs having his hands inside, compared that flaw to Flowers, and it's almost impossible to teach away. They believe, or O'Hara does, Solder might have another few years, and could of been a down year...can move RT. Both believe a no brainer for OT > Simmons Huge tackle drop-off after Wilson and Cleveland...Jones and Jackson late first rounders, but possible no tackles left at 36 until that massive drop. All those guys after the top 3, including Becton...need time to become starters. DEEP class. Weak guard class. No mention of Tyler Badass at center, O'Hara likes Harris and Hennessy...got the sense he was really high on Harris. Likes Ruiz over Cush....more athletic. Both like the idea of tackle 4 and center 36. Suggest Simmons too small to play hand in the dirt, we have a safety, so Simmons would be in the box...seemed they compared him to Derwin James, and so fast if he learned moves, and gained weight...could throw that hand in the dirt...no players to learn from as the Giants have no pass rush guys to teach, like Tuck was. Wills/Thomas Wirfs Becton They believe OT at 4 is again, an easy selection to make So Your opinion Do we risk waiting for a C at 99 with how unpredictable everyone's big boards are with this Covid-19 situation if an obvious BPA hits us at 36 with no trade back (Think Murray,Baun,Mims) Or a strategic reach for a particular player we like a lot a C but can't chance with how volatile the draft boards are... History shows a strategic reach for a player teams really like tend to work... Frederick in Dallas was a mid 3rd round graded C in 2013....we all pointed and laughed at Dallas.. Grrrr... I go center, or another tackle at 36...if we have them graded as such IMHO, trust the scouts. We now have the Cowboy head coach during those great top picked OL years, and their OL coach. I'm trusting them to get the OL done this year especially if we go more vertical as expected...but if a 1st round WR they love drops to 36, I'd go that direction...center would be nice, but the OT is such a huge value, you get that spot signed sealed and delivered at 4 (or 5/6), and rest of the draft is gravy. Hopefully, we trade back 2 spots and nail another 2 or 3...makes getting that center and WR so much easier. Such a weak class on defense...such a strong one on top OT's, WR's...as you say...gotta hit the strength of the draft..that's where the value drops down for smoking deals. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 15:28:41 GMT -5
Easily Thomas' worst game. Against a beas in Chaisson and he still held his own. Thanks for posting. Yep, edge number 2 this year and Thomas handled him on an island most snaps...Chaisson has NFL bend and quickness. His issue was production...LSU was expecting a lot more out of him this last year and they at one point began blitzing more as Chaisson was not getting home. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 19, 2020 17:32:16 GMT -5
Easily Thomas' worst game. Against a beas in Chaisson and he still held his own. Thanks for posting. This says more about Chaisson (who everyone knows I've been much higher on than anyone )being that good IMO Any of them ….. Watching that clip has me salivating for an OT |
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 19, 2020 17:46:36 GMT -5
Yeah this was a great breakdown. Thanks kissjrj for the post Breakdown Wills day 1 starter, can play LT Thomas has been doing it since a freshmen, and plays against eventual top tier talent. His one issue easy to correct in the NFL. Wirfs a possible both sides, they worry about him being beat on the inside moves Becton a bear, with poor hand placement, hugs vs having his hands inside, compared that flaw to Flowers, and it's almost impossible to teach away. They believe, or O'Hara does, Solder might have another few years, and could of been a down year...can move RT. Both believe a no brainer for OT > Simmons Huge tackle drop-off after Wilson and Cleveland...Jones and Jackson late first rounders, but possible no tackles left at 36 until that massive drop. All those guys after the top 3, including Becton...need time to become starters. DEEP class. Weak guard class. No mention of Tyler Badass at center, O'Hara likes Harris and Hennessy...got the sense he was really high on Harris. Likes Ruiz over Cush....more athletic. Both like the idea of tackle 4 and center 36. Suggest Simmons too small to play hand in the dirt, we have a safety, so Simmons would be in the box...seemed they compared him to Derwin James, and so fast if he learned moves, and gained weight...could throw that hand in the dirt...no players to learn from as the Giants have no pass rush guys to teach, like Tuck was. Wills/Thomas Wirfs Becton They believe OT at 4 is again, an easy selection to make So Your opinion Do we risk waiting for a C at 99 with how unpredictable everyone's big boards are with this Covid-19 situation if an obvious BPA hits us at 36 with no trade back (Think Murray,Baun,Mims) Or a strategic reach for a particular player we like a lot a C but can't chance with how volatile the draft boards are... History shows a strategic reach for a player teams really like tend to work... Frederick in Dallas was a mid 3rd round graded C in 2013....we all pointed and laughed at Dallas.. Grrrr... It seems like the Giants like Hennessy...36 might be a little early, but he might not make it out of the second. If they like him, maybe they trade down a few spots in the second? |
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