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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 10:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 20, 2020 10:31:02 GMT -5
I would trade TEs straight up.
Or trade Engram for a 2nd round pick. Give me Cole Kmet and never look back.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2020 10:35:27 GMT -5
If you can trade him for OL/Pass rush help or a decent draft pick, do it.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2020 10:36:08 GMT -5
I would trade TEs straight up. Or trade Engram for a 2nd round pick. Give me Cole Kmet and never look back. The Niners have no picks in rounds 2-4. I don't know what the compensation would be.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 10:44:58 GMT -5
The Giants should be willing to do any trade minimum round 3 or Oline / pash rush like Analyst mentioned. Engram isn't making it to his second contract with the Giants and always injured.
I rather have a top 10 TE that's healthy vs. a Top 5 that gets injured by a strong gust of wind...
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 10:45:54 GMT -5
I would trade TEs straight up. Or trade Engram for a 2nd round pick. Give me Cole Kmet and never look back. The Niners have no picks in rounds 2-4. I don't know what the compensation would be. They want to trade him for a bag of peanuts (5th rounder?) Nah....
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Post by Kruunch on Apr 20, 2020 10:51:35 GMT -5
He’ll probably go there and become Lou Gehrig never miss a game and be impervious to injuries.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Apr 20, 2020 10:56:35 GMT -5
I'd trade him straight up for a 7th rounder.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 20, 2020 10:58:37 GMT -5
I love how someone is trying to make our starting TE...their back-up TE. 😂
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 11:05:36 GMT -5
I love how someone is trying to make our starting TE...their back-up TE. 😂 He is a game-breaker when healthy. Unfortunately, his body is made up of tissue and dry sticks....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 20, 2020 11:09:48 GMT -5
I love how someone is trying to make our starting TE...their back-up TE. 😂 He is a game-breaker when healthy. Unfortunately, his body is made up of tissue and dry sticks.... He also is not a good blocker. That limits his number of plays on a lot of teams.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2020 11:12:56 GMT -5
A 5th round pick would be about right for the amount of games he's missed. The Niners aren't giving up a starter.
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Post by hadenough on Apr 20, 2020 11:15:23 GMT -5
He is a game-breaker when healthy. Unfortunately, his body is made up of tissue and dry sticks.... He also is not a good blocker. That limits his number of plays on a lot of teams. That’s why I would never use him on the oline. Maybe the beating he takes blocking wears down his body. Split him wide all game, every game. His skill is running a straight line. Let him do it. Posts, seams, flys, corners...anything deep. He’d be a good blocking WR and would be a good deep threat generally with a size mismatch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 11:15:28 GMT -5
Better hurry before they change their mind.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 11:39:25 GMT -5
A 5th round pick would be about right for the amount of games he's missed. The Niners aren't giving up a starter. That's a bad price bro. He still has 2 years on his rookie contract, he is a Top 5 TE when healthy and was a first rounder. If the Giants would have accepted a 5th for him, the deal would have been done in the first 10 seconds of the conversation. Here is how the conversation would have went: John Lynch calls up DG and says, what would you want in exchange for EE? DG would say, how about your 5th rounder. Loud laughter from John Lynch's phone would make DG almost deaf and John Lynch would have said sorry, that laughter wasn't directed at you, we were watching a funny movie, Oh and SOLD!
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 11:40:21 GMT -5
He is a game-breaker when healthy. Unfortunately, his body is made up of tissue and dry sticks.... He also is not a good blocker. That limits his number of plays on a lot of teams. Wrong He is a very good blocker the way he is utilized. Just because he isn't a Bavaro type as a 6th linemen doesn't mean he is useless. Shanon sharp is basically the same player,Shanahan used him on the lbs and safeties downfield to spring Davis.. Just like Engram is here Can you imagine Engram at the 2nd level getting a block on a 2nd level guy after Moestet or Brieda get through with their speed and their exotic running game? I actually see what they want to do A 22 with 2 great reciebing TEs ,including the closest thing to Bavaro I've seen,a FB that runs pass patterns like Will Tye and blocks like Moose Johnson... Deebo.. Yeah good luck trying to stop that offense because how do you line up.. You go heavy and the TEs and FB kill you matchup wise in the passing game and you go light the 49ers March 8 plays 80 yards without throwing a single pass.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 11:41:41 GMT -5
He also is not a good blocker. That limits his number of plays on a lot of teams. That’s why I would never use him on the oline. Maybe the beating he takes blocking wears down his body. Split him wide all game, every game. His skill is running a straight line. Let him do it. Posts, seams, flys, corners...anything deep. He’d be a good blocking WR and would be a good deep threat generally with a size mismatch. Id rather draft Claypool and trade Engram if thats what people want to do.. Same player without the injuries and a rookie deal
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 11:44:43 GMT -5
I still find it comical that he is being discussed for trades..
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 11:47:30 GMT -5
That’s why I would never use him on the oline. Maybe the beating he takes blocking wears down his body. Split him wide all game, every game. His skill is running a straight line. Let him do it. Posts, seams, flys, corners...anything deep. He’d be a good blocking WR and would be a good deep threat generally with a size mismatch. Id rather draft Claypool and trade Engram if thats what people want to do.. Same player without the injuries and a rookie deal What would you take for him, has to beat least a 3rd, right?
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 11:48:04 GMT -5
Id rather draft Claypool and trade Engram if thats what people want to do.. Same player without the injuries and a rookie deal What would you take for him, has to beat least a 3rd, right? Yep
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Post by thetruth on Apr 20, 2020 11:55:30 GMT -5
He is a game-breaker when healthy. Unfortunately, his body is made up of tissue and dry sticks.... He also is not a good blocker. That limits his number of plays on a lot of teams. If your scheme is from the 80's then absolutely.
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Post by McCherry on Apr 20, 2020 12:08:07 GMT -5
A 5th round pick would be about right for the amount of games he's missed. The Niners aren't giving up a starter. That's a bad price bro. He still has 2 years on his rookie contract, he is a Top 5 TE when healthy and was a first rounder. If the Giants would have accepted a 5th for him, the deal would have been done in the first 10 seconds of the conversation. Here is how the conversation would have went: John Lynch calls up DG and says, what would you want in exchange for EE? DG would say, how about your 5th rounder. Loud laughter from John Lynch's phone would make DG almost deaf and John Lynch would have said sorry, that laughter wasn't directed at you, we were watching a funny movie, Oh and SOLD! I agree. He's in the final year of his contract though, the Giants haven't pickup up his option yet. I would say a high 3rd of low 4th is fair, but the Niners don't have one to offer. They have one of the best TE's in football and the stock isn't very high for a player who's missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons.
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Post by lasion2 on Apr 20, 2020 12:38:30 GMT -5
Just spitballing in compensation...
The Niners do have 2 first round picks. There could be a swap arranged. Something like:
Giants get #31 Niners get Engram and #99?
Not terribly plausible and not something I’m clamoring for, but interesting to think about. Trade back gets ya 2 firsts, 2 seconds but lose Engram and no 3rd.
Could reasonably fill 0T, LB, C, WR in the first 40 picks. Any 4th round TEs jump out at you?
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 20, 2020 12:42:56 GMT -5
If you can trade him for OL/Pass rush help or a decent draft pick, do it. It's the 49ers. I expect their usual style offer of a 6th rounder next year and a case of mouthpieces for Engram and the Giants 2nd rounder this year. And then some walking it back in the media after the Giants don't take it.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 20, 2020 12:48:11 GMT -5
Just spitballing in compensation... The Niners do have 2 first round picks. There could be a swap arranged. Something like: Giants get #31 Niners get Engram and #99? Not terribly plausible and not something I’m clamoring for, but interesting to think about. Trade back gets ya 2 firsts, 2 seconds but lose Engram and no 3rd. Could reasonably fill 0T, LB, C, WR in the first 40 picks. Any 4th round TEs jump out at you? Parkinson in the 5th Kaden Smith clone from the same school
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 20, 2020 13:00:13 GMT -5
I would trade TEs straight up. Or trade Engram for a 2nd round pick. Give me Cole Kmet and never look back. harrison Bryant all day. He would be our kittle.
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 20, 2020 13:45:01 GMT -5
I would trade TEs straight up. Or trade Engram for a 2nd round pick. Give me Cole Kmet and never look back. harrison Bryant all day. He would be our kittle. I think Cole Kmet will be the next great true TE. He has so much upside and has never been able to focus on just football.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Apr 20, 2020 13:47:49 GMT -5
I would certainly entertain trading him if it makes sense and targets a need. I don't want to be negative, but I think after last year it's safe to say he truly is injury prone, and this last injury is probably the most serious.
I would love to keep him and see him stay healthy and flourish and be all the things everyone said he could be.
The thing that concerns me is when a player starts to show a consistency of getting injured, especially over a period of 3 years or more, does that player ever really just stop being injury prone and getting hurt? I can't think of any, but I can think of a lot of players (some who have played on the Giants) who were injury prone and stayed that way.
Remember Mike Sherrard? Used to love that guy, he made plays when he was healthy. There have been others. (Beason). Typically guys are either durable or they aren't.
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Post by jb456 on Apr 20, 2020 15:04:23 GMT -5
That's a bad price bro. He still has 2 years on his rookie contract, he is a Top 5 TE when healthy and was a first rounder. If the Giants would have accepted a 5th for him, the deal would have been done in the first 10 seconds of the conversation. Here is how the conversation would have went: John Lynch calls up DG and says, what would you want in exchange for EE? DG would say, how about your 5th rounder. Loud laughter from John Lynch's phone would make DG almost deaf and John Lynch would have said sorry, that laughter wasn't directed at you, we were watching a funny movie, Oh and SOLD! I agree. He's in the final year of his contract though, the Giants haven't pickup up his option yet. I would say a high 3rd of low 4th is fair, but the Niners don't have one to offer. They have one of the best TE's in football and the stock isn't very high for a player who's missed 13 games in the past 2 seasons. I heard that but maybe a 5th this year and a 3rd in 2021. The only issue with the 49ers is that they are a good team so the 3rd is probably a really low round 3rd. I actually don't think this deal is going to get done based on the 49ers draft picks they have in 2020...
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Post by Kase1 on Apr 20, 2020 15:10:46 GMT -5
Maybe if we trade Engram and our 3rd rd comp pick for their later 1st round pick, id be interested.
Like everyone has said, when healthy, he's a top tier TE....Unfortunately hes never played a whole season. I hate to give up on such a talent, but he just isnt reliable enough to be counted on
All that being said, I think my fav TE is either Harrison Bryant or Cheyenne O'Grady. I gotta do some more research on Kmet
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