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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:16:36 GMT -5
He will have a good chance to make the roster as I’m sure they’ll decide they’d like to stop paying McCown at some point. I think McCown is guaranteed so this is likely a next year event. I hope this works out well for him. Yeah that’s what a I mean. A year or so down the road. Darnold will be established and they won’t need the expensive babysitter anymore
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 4, 2018 12:16:44 GMT -5
I'm just trying to move us forward instead of dwelling on the past.
So we will be talking about all of this for a while.
My wife likes to tell me the same thing.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 12:21:43 GMT -5
Damn - signed to the PS on a team where he will have zero chance to ever be a starter. Must not have had a lot of interest.... Man....You really don't like the kid..... My statement is entirely factual. Nothing to do with “liking” him. I just never thought he was going to be an acceptable NFL starter for us.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 12:25:09 GMT -5
Damn - signed to the PS on a team where he will have zero chance to ever be a starter. Must not have had a lot of interest.... Seems like a lot of unwarranted dislike for a 23 year old kid. But whatever makes your day.... It’s a factual statement. You’re the one that seems very emotional about this subject
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 4, 2018 12:37:03 GMT -5
Man....You really don't like the kid..... My statement is entirely factual. Nothing to do with “liking” him. I just never thought he was going to be an acceptable NFL starter for us. Yet Alex Tanney can be?
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 12:44:35 GMT -5
My statement is entirely factual. Nothing to do with “liking” him. I just never thought he was going to be an acceptable NFL starter for us. Yet Alex Tanney can be? Tanney was not kept with the idea that he could be a starter one day. He was kept because the team thinks that he is the most capable number 2 NOW. That left 2 developmental QB's, and the Giants liked one better than the other.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 4, 2018 13:01:48 GMT -5
Interestingly, Webb will receive his full salary on the Jets PS....
How is that possible when PS players have a max earning? It said so in an ESPN article on Jets signing him.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Sept 4, 2018 13:03:02 GMT -5
Imagine if the Browns signed him and made him go get the towels for Mayfield......
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 4, 2018 13:05:48 GMT -5
Imagine if the Browns signed him and made him go get the towels for Mayfield...... That would give him "the jitters"..
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 4, 2018 13:11:12 GMT -5
Tanney was not kept with the idea that he could be a starter one day. He was kept because the team thinks that he is the most capable number 2 NOW. That left 2 developmental QB's, and the Giants liked one better than the other. What did you see from Tanney that made you think he could be a better emergency QB than Webb with more upside? That's the thing. Webb has more upside and is probably equally as good or potentially better than Tanney in such a situation. That is why most people think the decision was wrong. Not one of us knows how Webb will pan out but to think that coaches don't play favorites is to be oblivious to reality. The choice to cut him had nothing to do with talent. Don't you remember last preseason? Webb was a lot calmer, this preseason he looked totally erratic in game one (probably because he got himself wound up due to a new system and new regime, excited to play a game and prove himself) but obviously did enough to make himself look like the answer at #2 for at least this season in the following two games.
I really don't care whether or not Webb could've been the future at QB, I just don't understand what you were watching when Webb was in the game. It was like you got pissed that they didn't draft a QB in the first, equated that with Webb and when he came out in game one and choked decided that he could never do anything positive in the league. The giants have had Tim Hasselbeck, Jared Lorenzen, Anthony Wright and Sage Rosenfels as back ups in the past, you can't get much worse than any of those guys.
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Post by shocknaweny on Sept 4, 2018 13:15:01 GMT -5
Damn - signed to the PS on a team where he will have zero chance to ever be a starter. Must not have had a lot of interest.... Seems like a lot of unwarranted dislike for a 23 year old kid. But whatever makes your day.... +1
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 13:22:42 GMT -5
Tanney was not kept with the idea that he could be a starter one day. He was kept because the team thinks that he is the most capable number 2 NOW. That left 2 developmental QB's, and the Giants liked one better than the other. What did you see from Tanney that made you think he could be a better emergency QB than Webb with more upside? That's the thing. Webb has more upside and is probably equally as good or potentially better than Tanney in such a situation. That is why most people think the decision was wrong. Not one of us knows how Webb will pan out but to think that coaches don't play favorites is to be oblivious to reality. The choice to cut him had nothing to do with talent. Don't you remember last preseason? Webb was a lot calmer, this preseason he looked totally erratic in game one (probably because he got himself wound up due to a new system and new regime, excited to play a game and prove himself) but obviously did enough to make himself look like the answer at #2 for at least this season in the following two games.
I really don't care whether or not Webb could've been the future at QB, I just don't understand what you were watching when Webb was in the game. It was like you got pissed that they didn't draft a QB in the first, equated that with Webb and when he came out in game one and choked decided that he could never do anything positive in the league. The giants have had Tim Hasselbeck, Jared Lorenzen, Anthony Wright and Sage Rosenfels as back ups in the past, you can't get much worse than any of those guys.
So no one could legitimately think that Webb wasn't that good? The team couldn't legitimately think he wasn't that good -- they must have been playing favorites. (How that makes any sense is beyond me -- what happens to this regime if Webb goes on to be a superstar? You think they would risk that over "favorites"?) I can't legitimately think he's not that good -- it must be that I am butthurt over not taking a QB in the draft. No other team can legitimately think he's not that good -- none of them wanted him on their 53 because....
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Post by Roswell on Sept 4, 2018 14:51:16 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of unwarranted dislike for a 23 year old kid. But whatever makes your day.... It’s a factual statement. You’re the one that seems very emotional about this subject Yeah ok. I’m the guy creating towel boy threads and editorializing about how the kid is not going to amount to anything. Guilty as charged.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 15:00:57 GMT -5
So we will be talking about all of this for a while.
My wife likes to tell me the same thing. “C’mon, honey...that floozy was way back in April. It’s time to move on.”
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Post by nick030567 on Sept 4, 2018 15:32:05 GMT -5
What did you see from Tanney that made you think he could be a better emergency QB than Webb with more upside? That's the thing. Webb has more upside and is probably equally as good or potentially better than Tanney in such a situation. That is why most people think the decision was wrong. Not one of us knows how Webb will pan out but to think that coaches don't play favorites is to be oblivious to reality. The choice to cut him had nothing to do with talent. Don't you remember last preseason? Webb was a lot calmer, this preseason he looked totally erratic in game one (probably because he got himself wound up due to a new system and new regime, excited to play a game and prove himself) but obviously did enough to make himself look like the answer at #2 for at least this season in the following two games.
I really don't care whether or not Webb could've been the future at QB, I just don't understand what you were watching when Webb was in the game. It was like you got pissed that they didn't draft a QB in the first, equated that with Webb and when he came out in game one and choked decided that he could never do anything positive in the league. The giants have had Tim Hasselbeck, Jared Lorenzen, Anthony Wright and Sage Rosenfels as back ups in the past, you can't get much worse than any of those guys.
So no one could legitimately think that Webb wasn't that good? The team couldn't legitimately think he wasn't that good -- they must have been playing favorites. (How that makes any sense is beyond me -- what happens to this regime if Webb goes on to be a superstar? You think they would risk that over "favorites"?) I can't legitimately think he's not that good -- it must be that I am butthurt over not taking a QB in the draft. No other team can legitimately think he's not that good -- none of them wanted him on their 53 because.... Not favorites in that sense. Favorites in the sense that he's not their vision of what they want in their QB and they didn't draft him. And my point was that as a back up he was a better option than Tanney. There could be so many reasons that they didn't want him and it doesn't only have to do with talent or potential. And nothing happens to the regime if he goes on to be a superstar unless they totally bomb finding Eli's successor. Just like it took Reese many years to be fired even though the teams haven't really been consistently good since the 2007-2011 time period.
Not everything is so cut and dry nor do teams come and speak the honest truth at the podium. I think every coach and GM is more comfortable and confident when they scout for their guy at QB, I really just think that's all it is. They knew they didn't want to work with Webb and instead of playing games for 2-3 years they cut him. Unless Webb is such a nervous wreck in practice and before games (which we wouldn't know this to be the case at all, might be or might not be) I just don't see why else you'd cut him from the 2nd or 3rd string role. As I said I just personally feel that if you watched all the QB's that Lauletta and Webb were clearly better and had more potential than Tanney. And I don't even think Tanney did bad at all. There's something they don't like about Webb and I just don't think it's his potential. I think they like the potential of Lauletta better, don't want their to be a QB controversy and felt they might as well just cut Webb now. But I just disagree with keeping Tanney over Webb. If they were both cut I'd probably be okay with the move yet a bit perplexed.
But back to the topic of playing favorites. To think coaches don't play favorites in stubborn ways is naive, coaches and GM's can be quite stubborn and egotistical people. Just think of Coughlin with Markus Kuhn. That guy never made a play on his own whether it was presaeson or regular season. Yet there was just something Coughlin saw in the guy that caused him to constantly choose him over other players and it certainly wasn't his production on the field. Additionally it's not like coaches and Gm's aren't wrong at times.
And I was just wondering what it is that you see that isn't that good over Tanney as you seem to fully agree with the move. I mean plenty of young QB's are erratic and inconsistent, Eli was one of them and he went on to win two super bowls. But he also made a lot of good plays his rookie year that made you see the potential he could manifest through hard work and opportunities.The biggest negative I saw in Webb's game (from the outside looking in) is that he has a tendency to roll out of the pocket unnecessarily opposed to stepping up. I think that's something that's correctable though.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 15:40:01 GMT -5
It’s a factual statement. You’re the one that seems very emotional about this subject Yeah ok. I’m the guy creating towel boy threads and editorializing about how the kid is not going to amount to anything. Guilty as charged. And you’re the one that was completely wrong about the guy and is now trying to save face. You would rather believe that our new regime is a bunch of mouthbreathing idiots than admit you were wrong about Webb. Guilty as charged. No worries ... went through the same stuff with Nassib
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 4, 2018 15:50:12 GMT -5
So no one could legitimately think that Webb wasn't that good? The team couldn't legitimately think he wasn't that good -- they must have been playing favorites. (How that makes any sense is beyond me -- what happens to this regime if Webb goes on to be a superstar? You think they would risk that over "favorites"?) I can't legitimately think he's not that good -- it must be that I am butthurt over not taking a QB in the draft. No other team can legitimately think he's not that good -- none of them wanted him on their 53 because.... Not favorites in that sense. Favorites in the sense that he's not their vision of what they want in their QB and they didn't draft him. And my point was that as a back up he was a better option than Tanney. There could be so many reasons that they didn't want him and it doesn't only have to do with talent or potential. And nothing happens to the regime if he goes on to be a superstar unless they totally bomb finding Eli's successor. Just like it took Reese many years to be fired even though the teams haven't really been consistently good since the 2007-2011 time period.
Not everything is so cut and dry nor do teams come and speak the honest truth at the podium. I think every coach and GM is more comfortable and confident when they scout for their guy at QB, I really just think that's all it is. They knew they didn't want to work with Webb and instead of playing games for 2-3 years they cut him. Unless Webb is such a nervous wreck in practice and before games (which we wouldn't know this to be the case at all, might be or might not be) I just don't see why else you'd cut him from the 2nd or 3rd string role. As I said I just personally feel that if you watched all the QB's that Lauletta and Webb were clearly better and had more potential than Tanney. And I don't even think Tanney did bad at all. There's something they don't like about Webb and I just don't think it's his potential. I think they like the potential of Lauletta better, don't want their to be a QB controversy and felt they might as well just cut Webb now. But I just disagree with keeping Tanney over Webb. If they were both cut I'd probably be okay with the move yet a bit perplexed.
But back to the topic of playing favorites. To think coaches don't play favorites in stubborn ways is naive, coaches and GM's can be quite stubborn and egotistical people. Just think of Coughlin with Markus Kuhn. That guy never made a play on his own whether it was presaeson or regular season. Yet there was just something Coughlin saw in the guy that caused him to constantly choose him over other players and it certainly wasn't his production on the field. Additionally it's not like coaches and Gm's aren't wrong at times.
And I was just wondering what it is that you see that isn't that good over Tanney as you seem to fully agree with the move. I mean plenty of young QB's are erratic and inconsistent, Eli was one of them and he went on to win two super bowls. But he also made a lot of good plays his rookie year that made you see the potential he could manifest through hard work and opportunities.The biggest negative I saw in Webb's game (from the outside looking in) is that he has a tendency to roll out of the pocket unnecessarily opposed to stepping up. I think that's something that's correctable though.
I’m not saying that I agree that Tanney should have been kept over Webb - I just don’t see losing Webb as having a big impact, since I thought that it was highly unlikely that he would become a top tier NFL starter. What I saw this preseason was that he wasn’t ready to be a viable #2. If Shurmur and Gettleman liked other guys better, I am in no position to dispute that based upon what I saw from Webb.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 4, 2018 16:37:59 GMT -5
Yeah ok. I’m the guy creating towel boy threads and editorializing about how the kid is not going to amount to anything. Guilty as charged. And you’re the one that was completely wrong about the guy and is now trying to save face. You would rather believe that our new regime is a bunch of mouthbreathing idiots than admit you were wrong about Webb. Guilty as charged. No worries ... went through the same stuff with Nassib Save face? This is a message board. Not a proving ground. I’ve been on the boards 12 years man, never got into with anybody before. But ok. Go make 15 more threads about the failures of Davis Webb. Just try not to get defensive when others render their opinion on them. I’ll let you have the last word. Seems real important to you.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 4, 2018 16:53:11 GMT -5
personally, all I've really seen of Tanney was at the end of the Pats game. He looked decent enough against the backup scrubs. Like TCHOF, I'm not getting all that worked up over this one, but I certainly understand why some are not happy. At this point, I question Stewart still being on the roster more than this move.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 4, 2018 17:46:23 GMT -5
Its such a huge battle to get to the NFL takes years of hard work from an early age (in most cases) but to not want someone to succeed is wrong. At least for me it is. I agree 100% with you. ...except he’s building a straw-man argument. I haven’t read one comment on this board that would suggest the author hopes Barkley fails. In his eyes... Not agreeing with the Barkley pick = wanting Barkley to fail I would LOVE to be proven wrong about the Barkley pick...I just doubt I will be. youre misunderstanding what I wrote. The second paragraph was a reference to Webb, not Barkley. I should’ve been clearer with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 18:53:51 GMT -5
personally, all I've really seen of Tanney was at the end of the Pats game. He looked decent enough against the backup scrubs. Like TCHOF, I'm not getting all that worked up over this one, but I certainly understand why some are not happy. At this point, I question Stewart still being on the roster more than this move. And most likely that is all you ever will see. Which is why he shouldn’t be on the team.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 4, 2018 18:57:46 GMT -5
Stop it. What the heck is a "We shoulda drafted a QB #1 hater?".
That is a foolish reference. Are you suggesting that if a fan believes it would have been wiser to draft Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold, they are somehow a "hater?"
What twisted logic could point to that conclusion?
MS , are you saying that there is no one on these boards that wanted a QB for the Giants at the #2 spot and when that did not happen didn't become negative and have a sky is falling attitude??? Is that what you are saying? Who is being hated in this scenario?
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 4, 2018 19:43:14 GMT -5
Gotta say, you know you have a passionate fanbase when half the first page of a messageboard (the week before the season starts) is about cutting a 2nd year QB who's never been part of a 53 man roster for more than 2 days.
Hope the kid can have a career somewhere, but damn we need football to start proper...........
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Post by Parademon1 on Sept 4, 2018 20:18:14 GMT -5
Can't use the word "hate" now Big Red, it seems to offend some people's little sensibilities & feelings I guess. Welcome to the new pansy ass America bro.
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Post by BigBlueRules on Sept 4, 2018 20:20:01 GMT -5
OMG that must mean Darnold is a bust!!!
exactly! If Webb continues to improve the Jets will use him as trade bait.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 20:45:22 GMT -5
Can't use the word "hate" now Big Red, it seems to offend some people's little sensibilities & feelings I guess. Welcome to the new pansy ass America bro. I don’t have any problem with the use of the word “hate”...what I have a problem with is folks like yourself conflating simple disagreement with hatred.
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 4, 2018 21:14:20 GMT -5
Can't use the word "hate" now Big Red, it seems to offend some people's little sensibilities & feelings I guess. Welcome to the new pansy ass America bro. You don't like it?....You are free to post on another message board.
Calling other posters "haters" is childish and not what we want here. But this IS America and it's up to you.
If you want to talk about our team and not each other...that would be a welcome change.
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Post by krappdetector on Sept 4, 2018 21:53:04 GMT -5
Imagine if the Browns signed him and made him go get the towels for Mayfield...... Mayfield probably wet himself with glee. But I honestly liked the lad and wish him the best. (He could even turn into a coach someday and come back to haunt us!) ..and listen to Morehead, guys. The bickering is juvenile. We've got games to watch and ideas to post, so UP YOUR GAME!
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 4, 2018 22:06:19 GMT -5
Imagine if the Browns signed him and made him go get the towels for Mayfield...... Mayfield probably wet himself with glee. But I honestly liked the lad and wish him the best. (He could even turn into a coach someday and come back to haunt us!) ..and listen to Morehead, guys. The bickering is juvenile. We've got games to watch and ideas to post, so UP YOUR GAME!I appreciate that. This MB has been a vast improvement so far from the old boards. And we have to nip nonsense in the bud so it doesn't spiral out of control like it did on the old MB. We're all in this together. It has nothing to do with being sensitive, or soft or whatever foolishness folks might claim when they are lashing out. It's about making this a good place to talk about our team without being called all kinds of names for stating your view honestly and in good faith.
If a few folks don't understand that, then this may not be the place for them. Fortunately, the vast majority do get it.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 4, 2018 22:28:15 GMT -5
Mayfield probably wet himself with glee. But I honestly liked the lad and wish him the best. (He could even turn into a coach someday and come back to haunt us!) ..and listen to Morehead, guys. The bickering is juvenile. We've got games to watch and ideas to post, so UP YOUR GAME!I appreciate that. This MB has been a vast improvement so far from the old boards. And we have to nip nonsense in the bud so it doesn't spiral out of control like it did on the old MB. We're all in this together. It has nothing to do with being sensitive, or soft or whatever foolishness folks might claim when they are lashing out. It's about making this a good place to talk about our team without being called all kinds of names for stating your view honestly and in good faith.
If a few folks don't understand that, then this may not be the place for them. Fortunately, the vast majority do get it.
Wow. "This MB has been a vast improvement so far from the old boards....If a few folks don't understand that, then this may not be the place for them. Fortunately, the vast majority do get it." Really? When you say "we have to nip nonsense in the bud so it doesn't spiral out of control" who is we?
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