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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2020 15:40:25 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Apr 27, 2020 16:07:43 GMT -5
Ill give you the top name.
LSU WR JaMarr Chase. He is better than the LSU WRs that were drafted this year. Much better. Probably better than Jeudy and Lamnb too. Im thinking he goes top 10 easy.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2020 16:31:28 GMT -5
Ill give you the top name. LSU WR JaMarr Chase. He is better than the LSU WRs that were drafted this year. Much better. Probably better than Jeudy and Lamnb too. Im thinking he goes top 10 easy. Thanks I'm gonna dig in if they don't cancel the season. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 27, 2020 17:02:10 GMT -5
Ill give you the top name. LSU WR JaMarr Chase. He is better than the LSU WRs that were drafted this year. Much better. Probably better than Jeudy and Lamnb too. Im thinking he goes top 10 easy. Don't sleep on Waddle from Alabama.. Damontra Smith as well Ross from Clemson Some nice 2nd round talent as well Nico Collins Damotre Coxie from Memphis(reminds me of T.O skillset wise and amazing person...) |
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Apr 27, 2020 17:07:00 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I also have no idea how the talent is going to be next draft. I’ve never watched a draft before that people are talking about late round receivers as potential game breakers like they were this year. |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 27, 2020 19:24:28 GMT -5
Another name that will garner major traction, Sage Surratt.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Apr 27, 2020 19:24:52 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I also have no idea how the talent is going to be next draft. I’ve never watched a draft before that people are talking about late round receivers as potential game breakers like they were this year. They are saying it could be a repeat. |
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Post by lexington11 on Apr 27, 2020 19:25:10 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I also have no idea how the talent is going to be next draft. I’ve never watched a draft before that people are talking about late round receivers as potential game breakers like they were this year. coulter was a steal. |
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Post by piddy283 on May 1, 2020 21:03:41 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I believe this will become a fairly common theme for years to come. With colleges adopting the spread offense, and the NFL following suit, it won't surprise me if WR's become a dime a dozen. |
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Post by Fletch842 on May 2, 2020 5:51:35 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I believe this will become a fairly common theme for years to come. With colleges adopting the spread offense, and the NFL following suit, it won't surprise me if WR's become a dime a dozen. Thats pretty much where my thoughts on the subject are going. |
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Post by GameTime on May 2, 2020 7:44:19 GMT -5
the more choices they have the harder it will be to determine who will shine in the NFL IMO.
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Post by Kruunch on May 2, 2020 10:36:19 GMT -5
We don’t need receivers, it’s a strength of our team. I read that here.. Try not to laugh, I didn’t try hard enough.
We most certainly can use an upgrade at the position.
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Post by fifthavephil on May 2, 2020 20:25:14 GMT -5
Rashod Bateman from the university of Minnesota.
He will be a junior this upcoming season.
Should , there be a college season, check out Bateman.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 2, 2020 20:31:30 GMT -5
Rashod Bateman from the university of Minnesota. He will be a junior this upcoming season. Should , there be a college season, check out Bateman. To me he was the alpha male in that reciever group Tyler Johnson was a bit overrated to me and I think he took advantage of when teams keyed on Bateman This is a guy that can take over a game outside and in the slot they did this as well) and forced defenses to have to account for him |
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Post by fifthavephil on May 2, 2020 20:39:18 GMT -5
Rashod Bateman from the university of Minnesota. He will be a junior this upcoming season. Should , there be a college season, check out Bateman. To me he was the alpha male in that reciever group Tyler Johnson was a bit overrated to me and I think he took advantage of when teams keyed on Bateman This is a guy that can take over a game outside and in the slot they did this as well) and forced defenses to have to account for him The garnes I watched , he made some unbelievable catches. He was double teamed ( you’re right) made T. Johnson more available. He listed-at 6ft 2in 190lbs. , from the state of Georgia. |
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Post by giants8493 on May 6, 2020 14:09:29 GMT -5
Matt Miller said next years class can rival this years didn't get to see enough this year what say you college football junkies. If there is a season i will be back at the college game next season. I believe this will become a fairly common theme for years to come. With colleges adopting the spread offense, and the NFL following suit, it won't surprise me if WR's become a dime a dozen. wrs are the new running back? |
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Post by piddy283 on May 6, 2020 18:12:49 GMT -5
I believe this will become a fairly common theme for years to come. With colleges adopting the spread offense, and the NFL following suit, it won't surprise me if WR's become a dime a dozen. wrs are the new running back? Bingo |
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Post by giantlegacy on May 6, 2020 19:52:19 GMT -5
I believe this will become a fairly common theme for years to come. With colleges adopting the spread offense, and the NFL following suit, it won't surprise me if WR's become a dime a dozen. wrs are the new running back? Yes and no The NFL is adapting to the talent that's coming out of the college ranks in that the college game has become fast break basketball on grass...and a ton of reciever talent is now regularly coming out The past 5 years after a decade of resistance 90% of the NFL has adapted to the new norm. More talented recoevers=more you can stress the entire defense over the entire field.. Opens up everything So no you aren't devaluing tbe position draft wise In fact the only thing that's going to be devalued are 2nd contracts for recievers,even the number 1 guys. If lets say your number 1 guy is a FA in 2021 why pay him 100 million when you can draft his replacement like Jaylon Waddle.. So actually it emphasizes drafing these guys and especially if you have a chance to control one of these guys for 5 years on a rookie deal..and when you start seeing the market dry up for recievers getting paid you will then start to see these guys get franchised their 6th and 7th year knowing they will get paid as opposed to not getting what they perceive as market value.. |
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Post by jimmieray on May 7, 2020 6:42:52 GMT -5
wrs are the new running back? Yes and no The NFL is adapting to the talent that's coming out of the college ranks in that the college game has become fast break basketball on grass...and a ton of reciever talent is now regularly coming out The past 5 years after a decade of resistance 90% of the NFL has adapted to the new norm. More talented recoevers=more you can stress the entire defense over the entire field.. Opens up everything So no you aren't devaluing tbe position draft wise In fact the only thing that's going to be devalued are 2nd contracts for recievers,even the number 1 guys. If lets say your number 1 guy is a FA in 2021 why pay him 100 million when you can draft his replacement like Jaylon Waddle.. So actually it emphasizes drafing these guys and especially if you have a chance to control one of these guys for 5 years on a rookie deal..and when you start seeing the market dry up for recievers getting paid you will then start to see these guys get franchised their 6th and 7th year knowing they will get paid as opposed to not getting what they perceive as market value.. I'm going to love this trend. Now maybe it will make it better for acquiring and keeping the other critical units with competent personnel, rather than throwing a lot of money at a position that really just touches the ball for fraction of the snaps. Receivers seem to do the best of all positions with gear endorsement deals, and loose their minds when given too much money anyway. Yes, I know QBs keep getting unreal contracts and attention - but as is said so many times, that is the most important position and you have to possess a vast array of qualities to succeed there. I still think it's very odd we have to talk about next year's draft for adding receivers, but trust the process, right?
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Post by giants8493 on May 7, 2020 8:04:16 GMT -5
wrs are the new running back? Yes and no The NFL is adapting to the talent that's coming out of the college ranks in that the college game has become fast break basketball on grass...and a ton of reciever talent is now regularly coming out The past 5 years after a decade of resistance 90% of the NFL has adapted to the new norm. More talented recoevers=more you can stress the entire defense over the entire field.. Opens up everything So no you aren't devaluing tbe position draft wise In fact the only thing that's going to be devalued are 2nd contracts for recievers,even the number 1 guys. If lets say your number 1 guy is a FA in 2021 why pay him 100 million when you can draft his replacement like Jaylon Waddle.. So actually it emphasizes drafing these guys and especially if you have a chance to control one of these guys for 5 years on a rookie deal..and when you start seeing the market dry up for recievers getting paid you will then start to see these guys get franchised their 6th and 7th year knowing they will get paid as opposed to not getting what they perceive as market value.. What is it about spread offenses that make wrs more talented? Is it simply better suiting them for the NFL game? Or is the college system putting the players in a better position to showcase their talents? I guess the best way to answer these questions is to see how much early success they have on the NFL. |
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Post by snyder55 on May 7, 2020 9:11:22 GMT -5
having good receivers is great but not if the QB doesn't have the time to find them and get the ball to them, it takes decent O line blocking and hopefully we have some of those blockers now, we'll see..
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Post by giantlegacy on May 7, 2020 10:27:17 GMT -5
Yes and no The NFL is adapting to the talent that's coming out of the college ranks in that the college game has become fast break basketball on grass...and a ton of reciever talent is now regularly coming out The past 5 years after a decade of resistance 90% of the NFL has adapted to the new norm. More talented recoevers=more you can stress the entire defense over the entire field.. Opens up everything So no you aren't devaluing tbe position draft wise In fact the only thing that's going to be devalued are 2nd contracts for recievers,even the number 1 guys. If lets say your number 1 guy is a FA in 2021 why pay him 100 million when you can draft his replacement like Jaylon Waddle.. So actually it emphasizes drafing these guys and especially if you have a chance to control one of these guys for 5 years on a rookie deal..and when you start seeing the market dry up for recievers getting paid you will then start to see these guys get franchised their 6th and 7th year knowing they will get paid as opposed to not getting what they perceive as market value.. What is it about spread offenses that make wrs more talented? Is it simply better suiting them for the NFL game? Or is the college system putting the players in a better position to showcase their talents? I guess the best way to answer these questions is to see how much early success they have on the NFL. Most of these players are in Air raid systems The air raid is actually the modern mutant of the Erheart/Perkins system Ron Erheart started using in Pittsburgh in the mid 90s that he took back to New England with Belichick (if you think about those early Brady years they were running a prototype or the air raid with all the horizontal routes with slot type receivers but heavy use of tbe 12) What the air raid is is a more simplified version of the Erheart/Perkins,still using the numbers system with option routes but using more horizontal quick routes near the line of scrimmage to draw saferies up to take deep shots,(kinda a mutant version of running it to set up a deep.shot ...with all your RPO,inside a gap zone power,jet sweeps Now back to the recievers The modern College offense is based on flooding the field every play with athletes everywhere,including the qb,knowing defenses can't match up. Now most of your college recievers still are not good route runners,they are good at reading defenses pre snap and going to the open windows quickly.. But more overall revievers =more actually learn how to run good routes,those are the ones that get featured in NCAA passing attacks..and those are the ones we see transition quicker to the NFL becaue they also have the advantage of experiencing playing in option route systems (albeit in college its a basic 3 route option pre snap) So how that translates is a much lower bust rate for the higher rated recievers the past few years,so in effect they are now starting to become a safer early pick .. So we are starting to see a.major flood of talent coming into the league at WR And we are seeing teams start to see this that have buyers remorse on guys they paid and trying to trade them before they are worthless on the trade market (Cooks,Diggs and Hopkins..OBrein made up that story methinks to justify that salary dump) Its going to be interesting when many of these guys come up for new deals..what happens The entire salary structure of positions except qbs will change ... Personally..if you have 3 to 4 good young linemen (like we probably will have) Lock that unit together for 10 years .. Lock up your D line Your qb... Pay one playmaker on offense...in our case right now Barkley... If you have good 2 way TEs pay them... |
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Post by giantlegacy on May 7, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
having good receivers is great but not if the QB doesn't have the time to find them and get the ball to them, it takes decent O line blocking and hopefully we have some of those blockers now, we'll see.. This is why I 100% understand what they did this year.....and Gettleman and the scouts saw next year's class is going to be just as good at WR. Might be painful at times but we have to figure out how to be relevant on offense without burning out Barkley this year and then next year add all the firepower |
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Post by giants8493 on May 7, 2020 10:40:41 GMT -5
What is it about spread offenses that make wrs more talented? Is it simply better suiting them for the NFL game? Or is the college system putting the players in a better position to showcase their talents? I guess the best way to answer these questions is to see how much early success they have on the NFL. Most of these players are in Air raid systems The air raid is actually the modern mutant of the Erheart/Perkins system Ron Erheart started using in Pittsburgh in the mid 90s that he took back to New England with Belichick (if you think about those early Brady years they were running a prototype or the air raid with all the horizontal routes with slot type receivers but heavy use of tbe 12) What the air raid is is a more simplified version of the Erheart/Perkins,still using the numbers system with option routes but using more horizontal quick routes near the line of scrimmage to draw saferies up to take deep shots,(kinda a mutant version of running it to set up a deep.shot ...with all your RPO,inside a gap zone power,jet sweeps Now back to the recievers The modern College offense is based on flooding the field every play with athletes everywhere,including the qb,knowing defenses can't match up. Now most of your college recievers still are not good route runners,they are good at reading defenses pre snap and going to the open windows quickly.. But more overall revievers =more actually learn how to run good routes,those are the ones that get featured in NCAA passing attacks..and those are the ones we see transition quicker to the NFL becaue they also have the advantage of experiencing playing in option route systems (albeit in college its a basic 3 route option pre snap) So how that translates is a much lower bust rate for the higher rated recievers the past few years,so in effect they are now starting to become a safer early pick .. So we are starting to see a.major flood of talent coming into the league at WR And we are seeing teams start to see this that have buyers remorse on guys they paid and trying to trade them before they are worthless on the trade market (Cooks,Diggs and Hopkins..OBrein made up that story methinks to justify that salary dump) Its going to be interesting when many of these guys come up for new deals..what happens The entire salary structure of positions except qbs will change ... Personally..if you have 3 to 4 good young linemen (like we probably will have) Lock that unit together for 10 years .. Lock up your D line Your qb... Pay one playmaker on offense...in our case right now Barkley... If you have good 2 way TEs pay them... ah I see. Early exposure to reading defenses + additional reps since more wrs are on the feild at once. I can see that giving wrs an edge. Thanks for the explanation |
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Post by giantlegacy on May 7, 2020 10:41:26 GMT -5
so to piggyback off the explosion of WR talent,this has also led to all the corners coming into the league as teams in college have to find players to cover all these recievers
This started in 2017 witb that record breaking corner class,the record breaking run last year that we started with Baker in 2018 and this past year
Unfortunately the early trend is looking at the early returns from 2017 is that many of these players can't cut it at this level (look at all the corners both Dallas and Philly took in 2017,and their secondaries still suck)
And this issue starts in college.
You get a highly athletic person that comes in as a freshman...
if he can run a route and catch they go to WR,if they can run but don't have reciever skills they go on defense and its hoped their athleticism can slow down the sedondary recievers teams put out there.
So now teams in the NFL have a dire need for guys that can cover ..
The recievers are coming out more advanced than the corners...
Where as teams can be choosy and take a reciever any round,especially if they have a good group,as a bpa to cycle through,and often be major contributors right away,
Its basically now spray and pray at corner every year with teams
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Post by snyder55 on May 7, 2020 15:34:45 GMT -5
having good receivers is great but not if the QB doesn't have the time to find them and get the ball to them, it takes decent O line blocking and hopefully we have some of those blockers now, we'll see.. This is why I 100% understand what they did this year.....and Gettleman and the scouts saw next year's class is going to be just as good at WR. Might be painful at times but we have to figure out how to be relevant on offense without burning out Barkley this year and then next year add all the firepower you're right, we could be losing the best of Barkley while waiting for the O line to develop... |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 8, 2020 10:29:40 GMT -5
wrs are the new running back? Yes and no The NFL is adapting to the talent that's coming out of the college ranks in that the college game has become fast break basketball on grass...and a ton of reciever talent is now regularly coming out The past 5 years after a decade of resistance 90% of the NFL has adapted to the new norm. More talented recoevers=more you can stress the entire defense over the entire field.. Opens up everything So no you aren't devaluing tbe position draft wise In fact the only thing that's going to be devalued are 2nd contracts for recievers,even the number 1 guys. If lets say your number 1 guy is a FA in 2021 why pay him 100 million when you can draft his replacement like Jaylon Waddle.. So actually it emphasizes drafing these guys and especially if you have a chance to control one of these guys for 5 years on a rookie deal..and when you start seeing the market dry up for recievers getting paid you will then start to see these guys get franchised their 6th and 7th year knowing they will get paid as opposed to not getting what they perceive as market value.. I think a good WR is much like a good RB does his job well catches most balls and gets open thats where the devaluing comes in for me. Then you have guys like D Samuels or OBJ/ Mike Thomas who turn into a RB with a head start, just like at RB you got Mc Caffery /Elliot / Barkely who will hurt you in more ways then one catching or running the ball these multi dimensional weapons are needed big time in all offenses. Soon you will see guys on the defensive side of the ball like Simmons who can help with these types of players, stock rise on that side of the ball. If Simmons and say McKinney have great years playing all over the place people will be looking for those type of multi dimensional defensive weapons.todays game is about versatility the more versatile you are the less expendable unless your a head case that distracts a team with reporters always snooping for info around the lockeroom. I just don't think it is one position they want guys who can play all over the place these days. Or at lest all of the positions in there grouping whether it is OL or DB or LB. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 8, 2020 10:34:12 GMT -5
This is why I 100% understand what they did this year.....and Gettleman and the scouts saw next year's class is going to be just as good at WR. Might be painful at times but we have to figure out how to be relevant on offense without burning out Barkley this year and then next year add all the firepower you're right, we could be losing the best of Barkley while waiting for the O line to develop... That is what I believe happened with OBJ besides his side show if this team was closer he would be here. he was expendable because he brought back decent haul. but he is going into year 7 and has been dinged in almost very year even last year he was not full go. By the time this team is ready OBJ will be in years 8 or 9. |
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