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Post by Fletch842 on May 18, 2020 12:54:58 GMT -5
It's starting to look alot like Rashomon.
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Post by Delicreep on May 18, 2020 13:11:12 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster? I would want him back based on cost and the possibilities he may have. The leash would be very short.
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Post by wtfjjk on May 18, 2020 13:32:42 GMT -5
It's starting to look alot like Rashomon. Wow, old but great movie.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 18, 2020 13:38:48 GMT -5
I read that if Baker was in fact cheated out of his money, that could lead to the robbery charges being dismissed, but the trouble is the gun aspect. Although it should be noted that he did have a carry permit. The question is did it even happen his Lawyers sound confident with video that this is bogus who knows tho there still could be more evidence coming from the prosecution. Yeah, who knows what really went down. I hope for his sake he's not guitly and like I said in another post, I would even welcome him back here if he's got the right attitude and gives his best effort.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 18, 2020 13:51:52 GMT -5
The question is did it even happen his Lawyers sound confident with video that this is bogus who knows tho there still could be more evidence coming from the prosecution. Yeah, who knows what really went down. I hope for his sake he's not guitly and like I said in another post, I would even welcome him back here if he's got the right attitude and gives his best effort. Yup I hate to see a 22 year old kid waste his life hope as you said he isn't guilty. And as his lawyer said is scared straight if guilty he is gonna lose more then football.
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Post by Roswell on May 18, 2020 13:55:17 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster? I do. It’s a classic confrontation. The knucklehead factor vs the scared straight factor. My brain tells me the knucklehead factor but my heart tells me the scared straight factor. I’m rooting for him to get it together. Don’t forget, he went from driving a Lamborghini to being in jail. He might just be scared straight.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 18, 2020 14:03:27 GMT -5
$200,000 is still a lot and bail is set based upon a guideline, or what is called a schedule, so even though the case may be weak, strong, etc. Schwartz is reading way too much into this. It is the same with sentencing where there are guidelines and the magistrates and judges have very little leeway in both.It is why billionaires and millionaires get what seem to be a paltry sum set for bail unless they killed someone. Even with guidelines violent arrests that are considered dangerous or a flight risk usually get locked down. So I'm thinking that armed robbery with Baker telling one of his partners to shoot someone who just walked into the party would definitely be a violent crime. But with that said as someone said at this time with the covid-19 judges are hesitant to send people to jail.
But I'm thinking something might be wrong with the case. Wouldn't they be hesitant to let Baker out if there was any danger of more violence ? But as I said in another thread I completely have no faith or confidence in the courts and/or judges.
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Post by Zimonami on May 18, 2020 14:05:47 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster? I do. It’s a classic confrontation. The knucklehead factor vs the scared straight factor. My brain tells me the knucklehead factor but my heart tells me the scared straight factor. I’m rooting for him to get it together. Don’t forget, he went from driving a Lamborghini to being in jail. He might just be scared straight. He's probably at a serious crossroads for the first time since he was drafted... and the prospect of losing it all should be crystal clear to him. Both his agent and lawyer have got to reign him in. The truth should come out. If he's innocent then Judge has got to remind him of what he could have lost, and that he needs to dedicate himself to improving and devote himself to being a valued team mate and part of this team... Or, like Deli said... he's on a short leash.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 18, 2020 14:47:20 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster?
Perhaps he can serve as an example for the other young guys? You never know. The best thing that could happen is if something good comes from it.
I heard the coaches (including Shurmur) and the players read him the riot act after the Jet's game and that he was participating in the off-season classes.
Let's not forget there was a recent article about the Giants counting on him to be a key player in their secondary. Would it make sense to put that out there if they felt they couldn't rely on him?
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Post by piddy283 on May 18, 2020 15:28:05 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster? 1000%.
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Post by DandyDon on May 18, 2020 15:36:38 GMT -5
This is his lawyer talking, but he sounds pretty confident. And the 4 witnesses have apparently already recanted against Dunbar: “Go look at the criminal history of the victims,’’ said Patel, the New Jersey-based lawyer who is Baker’s personal attorney and is working on this case along with Florida-based attorney Bradford Cohen. “Go look at the criminal history of Baker. You know what the score is? One hundred to zero. Baker.
“They’re ruining this kid for no reason at all, other than he was an easy mark. I believe this is an extortion to try to get money from him.’’
Interestingly, Patel said the detective on the case, Mark Moretti, “is a very sharp guy, he’s seeing through this whole charade.’’
The state has 30 days to proceed with or drop the case.
“I think between [Moretti] and the Broward County prosecutor’s office, they’re going to make the right decision,’’ Patel said. “Even if they make the right decision, we’re still going to have to do damage control because everybody had this kid guilty. They already made him a bust. It’s not right.’’ nypost.com/2020/05/18/deandre-bakers-lawyer-guarantees-dismissal-of-charges-soon/
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 18, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
Meh...with jails releasing convicts due to COVID, I wouldn't read much into them not holding a guy accused of a crime. That is a good point, and is it true they gave his mom’s car as bail? 😏 You starting trouble? He should have bought her jewelry. Much easier to pawn off to the bail bondsman. If I see Dog The Bounty Hunter in a Rolls Royce, I'll know...
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2020 16:07:48 GMT -5
Evaluate him without this incident. We have enough real facts about how he's plied his trade over the past 4 years. We don't need to integrate speculation around the incident. Do you want him on the roster? Yes I want him on the team. But he gets a short leash. Not because of this but because he is not doing everything in his power to be a great CB.
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2020 16:14:11 GMT -5
$200,000 is still a lot and bail is set based upon a guideline, or what is called a schedule, so even though the case may be weak, strong, etc. Schwartz is reading way too much into this. It is the same with sentencing where there are guidelines and the magistrates and judges have very little leeway in both.It is why billionaires and millionaires get what seem to be a paltry sum set for bail unless they killed someone. Even with guidelines violent arrests that are considered dangerous or a flight risk usually get locked down. So I'm thinking that armed robbery with Baker telling one of his partners to shoot someone who just walked into the party would definitely be a violent crime. But with that said as someone said at this time with the covid-19 judges are hesitant to send people to jail.
But I'm thinking something might be wrong with the case. Wouldn't they be hesitant to let Baker out if there was any danger of more violence ? But as I said in another thread I completely have no faith or confidence in the courts and/or judges.
Something is for sure wrong with the situation. They get accused of this crime. Then a couple days later the other guy has signed letters from witnesses saying he is innocent. Then Baker has video evidence ect. Not such a cut and dry case as when Plax shot himself. Could all be bullshit, could all true, likely someplace in the middle.
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Post by IrishMike on May 18, 2020 16:15:20 GMT -5
That is a good point, and is it true they gave his mom’s car as bail? 😏 You starting trouble? He should have bought her jewelry. Much easier to pawn off to the bail bondsman. If I see Dog The Bounty Hunter in a Rolls Royce, I'll know... He didn't buy his mom a Rolls Royce.....Damn non car people are killing me.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 18, 2020 16:39:55 GMT -5
Last thing I saw is his Lawyer says the case was garbage sounds like they were trying to scam 2 NFL players supposedly there was a fake rolex involved. His lawyer says baker might be the next Ray Lewis not Ray Rice as far as being scared straight. This seems to line up with people recanting there original statements before they end up in the hot seat facing charges. No matter how this turns out Baker should be battling for his spot on the roster and on 53 or 55 whatever it is if he makes the team. Well if they witness's are not trust worthy and he somehow manages to escape this I would assume the the gun charges all so would not stick since it was the said witness's that made the accusation ,am I right? I would say if they are retracting their statements. From what I read he is licensed to carry.
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Post by Delicreep on May 18, 2020 17:12:31 GMT -5
Last thing I saw is his Lawyer says the case was garbage sounds like they were trying to scam 2 NFL players supposedly there was a fake rolex involved. His lawyer says baker might be the next Ray Lewis not Ray Rice as far as being scared straight. This seems to line up with people recanting there original statements before they end up in the hot seat facing charges. No matter how this turns out Baker should be battling for his spot on the roster and on 53 or 55 whatever it is if he makes the team. Well if they witness's are not trust worthy and he somehow manages to escape this I would assume the the gun charges all so would not stick since it was the said witness's that made the accusation ,am I right? There are criminal charges and then what the NFL hold him accountable for...don't have to be the same thing. Let's say that all criminal charges are dropped. He pulled a gun on someone, and he was at least once partaking in illegal gambling. Oddly, that 2nd one may be of great concern to the NFL.
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Post by Delicreep on May 18, 2020 17:24:09 GMT -5
Well if they witness's are not trust worthy and he somehow manages to escape this I would assume the the gun charges all so would not stick since it was the said witness's that made the accusation ,am I right? I would say if they are retracting their statements. From what I read he is licensed to carry. So you got me thinking...I thought it was odd that no one has come forward with a video of the robbery, the events leading up to it or the getaway, but in a room full of people, no one else had a gun? The report doesn't say anything about Baker taking a gun from anyone, and that's the kind of thing you relieve people of when you are robbing them, lest they shoot you in the back as you run off. Just strange to me. Proof of nothing, but strange.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 18, 2020 22:25:28 GMT -5
I would say if they are retracting their statements. From what I read he is licensed to carry. So you got me thinking...I thought it was odd that no one has come forward with a video of the robbery, the events leading up to it or the getaway, but in a room full of people, no one else had a gun? The report doesn't say anything about Baker taking a gun from anyone, and that's the kind of thing you relieve people of when you are robbing them, lest they shoot you in the back as you run off. Just strange to me. Proof of nothing, but strange. Exactly and his legal team says they have video evidence to clear him this day and age there is always someone filming or recording everything. The more I hear the more I believe they may have been set up for the scam.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 8:42:38 GMT -5
I remember players getting suspended without being arrested. I think Zeke's situation was like that and the KC running back got a way for punching that woman without being arrested. In both cases there is video evidence of the crime. Charges weren’t filed but the video clearly shows Ezekiel Elliot sexually assaulting a Woman and he should’ve been banned from NFL for life. RG1 dropped the ball by not banning Ezekiel Elliot for life. Here’s the video- nypost.com/2017/03/13/ezekiel-elliott-yanks-out-womans-breast-at-st-pattys-party/So are you saying without video evidence then Baker shouldn't get suspended no matter what? I really don't have a concrete answer without some video evidence and would have to understand the whole situation before making a decision like this.
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