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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 4, 2018 21:45:36 GMT -5
Decent article by Paul. Nothing we don't already know but rather putting things in perspective.
Why Giants will open season as one of NFL’s mystery teams
The Giants, after much maneuvering, are what we thought they were.
The machinations that finally resulted in a finished 53-man roster did nothing to alter what this mystery team will look like Sunday, when it takes the field to face the powerhouse (at least on defense) Jaguars in a rare regular-season opener at home. The last time the Giants did not have to travel to start their season was in 2012 — back when Saquon Barkley was running for Whitehall High in Coplay, Pa.; Pat Shurmur was entering his second (and last) year as Browns head coach; and Eli Manning was a mere 31 years old.
Who made the final cut and who did not (most notably Davis Webb) is always compelling but meant nothing as far as the Giants’ lineup in Barkley’s NFL debut, Shurmur’s Giants debut and Manning’s 215th start for the team. The 22 projected starters for more than a month will take their assigned spots, unless outside linebacker Olivier Vernon cannot overcome an ankle injury (possible) and tight end Evan Engram is not cleared from the concussion protocol (unlikely).
When the move that sends the strongest reverberations through the organization is the discarding of a 23-year old quarterback who has never played in an NFL game, and whose presence on the field this season, via a Manning injury, would have been met with doomsday projections, the ensuing tremors are real, but not seismic.
The most pronounced shock waves were felt months ago, when general manager Dave Gettleman tore up the offensive line, orchestrated a fascinating NFL draft process and made it abundantly clear he wanted to wipe away many vestiges of the 3-13 mess he inherited. The result is five new starters on offense — four on the offensive line and five, if you count Ereck Flowers moving from left to right tackle — and four new starters on defense. The result is also widespread wonderment — no one knows or has a great feel as to what this team is and how it will function.
Can anyone say for sure what the Giants will do well? Any team with Odell Beckham Jr,, Barkley, Engram and Sterling Shepard should be explosive, but despite all the upgrades do you want to swear that the offensive line is terrific? With Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and newcomer Alec Ogletree, the Giants believe they will be difficult to run against. But there are probably 20 defenses around the league that feel the same way as they head into their seasons. The secondary has only two sure things, Landon Collins and Janoris Jenkins. After that, it is a guessing game, and that includes the performance of Eli Apple as the No. 2 cornerback.
This has the look and feel of a defense that will need to rely on its own offense to get a lead and dominate the time of possession.
Shurmur, too, is tough to predict. His bio is right there on pages 19 and 20 of the team’s media guide, chock full of all sorts of information and never once does it mention his record as the Browns’ head coach. He went 9-23 in his two seasons, which, looking back, seems like the Golden Age in Cleveland.
There was too much stacked against Shurmur to succeed in his first go-round as a head coach. He completed an impressive spring and summer with his new team, simultaneously exhibiting a deft touch around his players and the media while also giving off an “I am in charge’’ vibe with both groups. There is no one in the building, from the top on down, who has anything but glowing words about Shurmur. He is new to the New York maelstrom, though, and the meter starts running on his tenure Sunday at 1 p.m.
Being around Manning, he looks and sounds rejuvenated, but he is 37. He is spry but still cannot make much of anything happen with his legs and is coming off a shell-shocked season of not trusting his protection. Sometimes that lingers. He has an array of talent around him, but nothing moves unless he hits the ignition.
Barkley’s exploits and highlights in his time in a Giants uniform are confined to one 39-yard preseason run 27 days ago and a bunch of good stuff early in training camp, against his own teammates, before he strained his left hamstring and was put safely on the shelf. No one has actually seen all he can do for the offense, for Manning, for Beckham, for the reshaped offensive line. It all comes into focus, soon enough.
The Giants firmly believe they selected the best player in the 2018 draft. What sets him apart, they insist, is that he should not be viewed as a running back but rather as an offensive weapon.
“That’s what makes him special, the fact that he can be a receiver out of the backfield,’’ Manning said. “That’s a matchup we like. Getting him the ball and letting him be an athlete, get the ball to him in space where he can make guys miss and get some big gains for us.’’
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 4, 2018 21:56:54 GMT -5
Decent article by Paul. Nothing we don't already know but rather putting things in perspective.
Why Giants will open season as one of NFL’s mystery teams
The Giants, after much maneuvering, are what we thought they were.
The machinations that finally resulted in a finished 53-man roster did nothing to alter what this mystery team will look like Sunday, when it takes the field to face the powerhouse (at least on defense) Jaguars in a rare regular-season opener at home. The last time the Giants did not have to travel to start their season was in 2012 — back when Saquon Barkley was running for Whitehall High in Coplay, Pa.; Pat Shurmur was entering his second (and last) year as Browns head coach; and Eli Manning was a mere 31 years old.
Who made the final cut and who did not (most notably Davis Webb) is always compelling but meant nothing as far as the Giants’ lineup in Barkley’s NFL debut, Shurmur’s Giants debut and Manning’s 215th start for the team. The 22 projected starters for more than a month will take their assigned spots, unless outside linebacker Olivier Vernon cannot overcome an ankle injury (possible) and tight end Evan Engram is not cleared from the concussion protocol (unlikely).
When the move that sends the strongest reverberations through the organization is the discarding of a 23-year old quarterback who has never played in an NFL game, and whose presence on the field this season, via a Manning injury, would have been met with doomsday projections, the ensuing tremors are real, but not seismic.
The most pronounced shock waves were felt months ago, when general manager Dave Gettleman tore up the offensive line, orchestrated a fascinating NFL draft process and made it abundantly clear he wanted to wipe away many vestiges of the 3-13 mess he inherited. The result is five new starters on offense — four on the offensive line and five, if you count Ereck Flowers moving from left to right tackle — and four new starters on defense. The result is also widespread wonderment — no one knows or has a great feel as to what this team is and how it will function.
Can anyone say for sure what the Giants will do well? Any team with Odell Beckham Jr,, Barkley, Engram and Sterling Shepard should be explosive, but despite all the upgrades do you want to swear that the offensive line is terrific? With Damon “Snacks’’ Harrison and newcomer Alec Ogletree, the Giants believe they will be difficult to run against. But there are probably 20 defenses around the league that feel the same way as they head into their seasons. The secondary has only two sure things, Landon Collins and Janoris Jenkins. After that, it is a guessing game, and that includes the performance of Eli Apple as the No. 2 cornerback.
This has the look and feel of a defense that will need to rely on its own offense to get a lead and dominate the time of possession.
Shurmur, too, is tough to predict. His bio is right there on pages 19 and 20 of the team’s media guide, chock full of all sorts of information and never once does it mention his record as the Browns’ head coach. He went 9-23 in his two seasons, which, looking back, seems like the Golden Age in Cleveland.
There was too much stacked against Shurmur to succeed in his first go-round as a head coach. He completed an impressive spring and summer with his new team, simultaneously exhibiting a deft touch around his players and the media while also giving off an “I am in charge’’ vibe with both groups. There is no one in the building, from the top on down, who has anything but glowing words about Shurmur. He is new to the New York maelstrom, though, and the meter starts running on his tenure Sunday at 1 p.m.
Being around Manning, he looks and sounds rejuvenated, but he is 37. He is spry but still cannot make much of anything happen with his legs and is coming off a shell-shocked season of not trusting his protection. Sometimes that lingers. He has an array of talent around him, but nothing moves unless he hits the ignition.
Barkley’s exploits and highlights in his time in a Giants uniform are confined to one 39-yard preseason run 27 days ago and a bunch of good stuff early in training camp, against his own teammates, before he strained his left hamstring and was put safely on the shelf. No one has actually seen all he can do for the offense, for Manning, for Beckham, for the reshaped offensive line. It all comes into focus, soon enough.
The Giants firmly believe they selected the best player in the 2018 draft. What sets him apart, they insist, is that he should not be viewed as a running back but rather as an offensive weapon.
“That’s what makes him special, the fact that he can be a receiver out of the backfield,’’ Manning said. “That’s a matchup we like. Getting him the ball and letting him be an athlete, get the ball to him in space where he can make guys miss and get some big gains for us.’’
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 4, 2018 22:00:29 GMT -5
Often true with a team with a bad record who's made a lot of changes as a product.
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 5, 2018 1:16:11 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags.
How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense?
Am I right to think this?
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Post by jimmieray on Sept 5, 2018 5:36:36 GMT -5
Mystery team, smoking down the track
Mystery team, smoking down the track
Well i don't want no ride
Just bring that winning back
Thank you, thank you very much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 7:09:07 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags. How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense? Am I right to think this? There is like 15 years of tape of Eli Manning and lots of the Shurmur O in Minny etc. Tons available to put together a plan. But generally defences do struggle early in the season |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 5, 2018 7:55:33 GMT -5
I love it!!
Its a total crap shoot? I am not convinced what they will be but I do know that there is a good chance they will be very good and competitive.
I am waiting anxiously to see
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 8:12:54 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags. How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense? Am I right to think this? There is virtually no taped record of my nephew's Pop Warner team either. |
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 5, 2018 12:40:03 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags. How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense? Am I right to think this? There is virtually no taped record of my nephew's Pop Warner team either. Funny! I still am hoping that our Giants will be a pleasant surprise though. |
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 5, 2018 12:46:31 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags. How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense? Am I right to think this? There is like 15 years of tape of Eli Manning and lots of the Shurmur O in Minny etc. Tons available to put together a plan. But generally defences do struggle early in the season As far as Eli is concerned, yes there's tape and TC will know his tendencies all too well. With Shurmur tape from Minnie, and Bettcher's from Cards, I don't think they'll be running exactly the same stuff here, because it's different personnel, which may give us the advantage that Dottino qas talking about. At least for a week ir two. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:54:00 GMT -5
I first heard Paulie Dot say this on BBKL, and it seems like a subtle but significant factor for this game 1 vs Jags. How can they gameplan against us when there's virtually no taped record of how we will be playing on either offense or defense? Am I right to think this? they will see how Shurmer and Betcher called and ran their systems at their last stops, but they might have trouble figuring out how they will deploy their personnel. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 21:58:51 GMT -5
There is like 15 years of tape of Eli Manning and lots of the Shurmur O in Minny etc. Tons available to put together a plan. But generally defences do struggle early in the season As far as Eli is concerned, yes there's tape and TC will know his tendencies all too well. With Shurmur tape from Minnie, and Bettcher's from Cards, I don't think they'll be running exactly the same stuff here, because it's different personnel, which may give us the advantage that Dottino qas talking about. At least for a week ir two. The Giants might be able to ride the element of surprise a little longer I think they will improve and evolve through out the first half of the year, Shurmer has a lot more weapons at his disposal,OBJ might take a couple games to get comfortable then again he came out his rookie year and shocked the league after not practicing or playing the first 4 games. |
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Post by boxcarwillie on Sept 5, 2018 23:16:43 GMT -5
As far as Eli is concerned, yes there's tape and TC will know his tendencies all too well. With Shurmur tape from Minnie, and Bettcher's from Cards, I don't think they'll be running exactly the same stuff here, because it's different personnel, which may give us the advantage that Dottino qas talking about. At least for a week ir two. The Giants might be able to ride the element of surprise a little longer I think they will improve and evolve through out the first half of the year, Shurmer has a lot more weapons at his disposal,OBJ might take a couple games to get comfortable then again he came out his rookie year and shocked the league after not practicing or playing the first 4 games. Yes, the Giants could even stretch the length of the unpredictability advantage by using a long term plan. Just like teams may run certain plays in first half of game to potential set up a variation play for 2nd half. Giants could run some stuff in,say, games 1-3, fully intending to cross up the opponent with a few surprises in game 4. Teams already do this kind of thing I think. Just like the Jags, a running team, could come out throwing in game 1. We should be ready for this. |
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 6, 2018 8:48:34 GMT -5
I’m tempering my expectations!
Waited all year for the new season and What happens?? I’m scheduled to work Sunday 1-6, which is good because I love Bob Papa and the great “58”!
Nooo....not me.....Carl Banks!!
Papa is the perfect voice for someone like me who’ll be sneaking listens on my radio, because he’ll keep me informed and CB will tell me what they’re doing right or wrong.
And my snack trays will be safer too!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 8:58:11 GMT -5
I’m tempering my expectations! Waited all year for the new season and What happens?? I’m scheduled to work Sunday 1-6, which is good because I love Bob Papa and the great “58”! Nooo....not me.....Carl Banks!! Papa is the perfect voice for someone like me who’ll be sneaking listens on my radio, because he’ll keep me informed and CB will tell me what they’re doing right or wrong. And my snack trays will be safer too!! I'm also busy during the day so I'll try to avoid any NFL news or scores so I can watch it delayed on my dvr.. |
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 6, 2018 9:08:14 GMT -5
I’m tempering my expectations! Waited all year for the new season and What happens?? I’m scheduled to work Sunday 1-6, which is good because I love Bob Papa and the great “58”! Nooo....not me.....Carl Banks!! Papa is the perfect voice for someone like me who’ll be sneaking listens on my radio, because he’ll keep me informed and CB will tell me what they’re doing right or wrong. And my snack trays will be safer too!! I'm also busy during the day so I'll try to avoid any NFL news or scores so I can watch it delayed on my dvr.. I’m gonna tape it as well.....just in case it ends up having a happy ending. If not, I can just delete it !!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 9:31:09 GMT -5
I'm also busy during the day so I'll try to avoid any NFL news or scores so I can watch it delayed on my dvr.. I’m gonna tape it as well.....just in case it ends up having a happy ending. If not, I can just delete it !!! I always like to see how the team plays even if it's a loss.. GO GIANTS!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 9:46:11 GMT -5
I'll be camping so I'm going to miss the game.
Will have to torrent it afterwards.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 6, 2018 14:20:18 GMT -5
I’m gonna tape it as well.....just in case it ends up having a happy ending. If not, I can just delete it !!! I always like to see how the team plays even if it's a loss.. GO GIANTS!! Yeah...I’m full of it. I’ll watch it too either way. But I’m thinking positive that I’ll be watching a 1-0 start to the Shurmur era!!! |
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