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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 12:03:22 GMT -5
Thank you...some on here need to take a deep breath, relax and root for the team. Does anyone really think this would all come together so quickly? Apparently, Dave Gettleman did. It's apparent that we won't see eye to eye on this and that's OK but in the name of everything that is holy can we get a few games under our belt first before we start saying that our new GM doesn't know what he's doing? Heck, after all is said and done you may be right but it's way too early to come to that conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 12:04:43 GMT -5
Totally agree. Why do you think the team is churning the bottom of the roster? Because they agree too +1 It is going to take a while to replace some of the depth we would have had after Reese had so many swings and misses in the later rounds of the draft. That is why the new regime signed all those players from off waivers...they can only work with the hand they've been dealt. Ca'nt expect everything to be fixed overnight. But we were told that if we just got a running back and an LT, Eli would lead us back to the promised land. Now - all of a sudden - it’s a rebuild.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 5, 2018 12:11:39 GMT -5
+1 It is going to take a while to replace some of the depth we would have had after Reese had so many swings and misses in the later rounds of the draft. That is why the new regime signed all those players from off waivers...they can only work with the hand they've been dealt. Ca'nt expect everything to be fixed overnight. But we were told that if we just got a running back and an LT, Eli would lead us back to the promised land. Now - all of a sudden - it’s a rebuild. They way I've heard it was that Eli is not done yet and that the OL and running game needed to improve so a rebuild or partial rebuild is needed to improve those things, wouldn't you agree with that?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 5, 2018 12:13:27 GMT -5
I realize this they don't realize we are a little spoiled 5 trips in the last 30 years, can't put the cart before the horse lets get to the playoffs first lol, I agree....I am not the type of fan who thinks Barkley has to lead the league every year to make him a worthy 1st round pick. All he has to do is be one of the main parts of a consistently winning team Agree 100% he is still working behind an OL that is a work in progress teams that win do it as a team, no one individual is going to change that he just needs to be him and that will be enough.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 5, 2018 12:13:51 GMT -5
+1 It is going to take a while to replace some of the depth we would have had after Reese had so many swings and misses in the later rounds of the draft. That is why the new regime signed all those players from off waivers...they can only work with the hand they've been dealt. Ca'nt expect everything to be fixed overnight. But we were told that if we just got a running back and an LT, Eli would lead us back to the promised land. Now - all of a sudden - it’s a rebuild. Who told us that?
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Post by Roswell on Sept 5, 2018 12:30:30 GMT -5
I find it cute that some posters have schoolgirl crushes on bottom-of-the roster players on a 3-13 team. This team has very little to no depth. The front office seems to be doing its best to improve that situation before the season starts (our kind of depth issues can’t be fixed in one off-season). I have zero issues with that. Yeah. It’s perfectly acceptable to change out 8 guys a week before the season. Happens all the time. Isn’t the whole “rounding up quality depth process” supposed to happen in the off season? This way these guys are familiar with the playbook. I guess they’ll just wing it for September. Very effective plan. Nah, these guys got it right, just ask J Stewart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 13:22:42 GMT -5
But we were told that if we just got a running back and an LT, Eli would lead us back to the promised land. Now - all of a sudden - it’s a rebuild. Who told us that? It was pretty much the whole justification for taking a running back at #2.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
I find it cute that some posters have schoolgirl crushes on bottom-of-the roster players on a 3-13 team. This team has very little to no depth. The front office seems to be doing its best to improve that situation before the season starts (our kind of depth issues can’t be fixed in one off-season). I have zero issues with that. Yeah. It’s perfectly acceptable to change out 8 guys a week before the season. Happens all the time. Isn’t the whole “rounding up quality depth process” supposed to happen in the off season? This way these guys are familiar with the playbook. I guess they’ll just wing it for September. Very effective plan. Nah, these guys got it right, just ask J Stewart. Can’t ask Stewart...he’s busy in the back yard burying his $3 million before somebody wises up and asks for it back.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 5, 2018 13:49:37 GMT -5
I find it cute that some posters have schoolgirl crushes on bottom-of-the roster players on a 3-13 team. This team has very little to no depth. The front office seems to be doing its best to improve that situation before the season starts (our kind of depth issues can’t be fixed in one off-season). I have zero issues with that. Yeah. It’s perfectly acceptable to change out 8 guys a week before the season. Happens all the time. Isn’t the whole “rounding up quality depth process” supposed to happen in the off season? This way these guys are familiar with the playbook. I guess they’ll just wing it for September. Very effective plan. Nah, these guys got it right, just ask J Stewart. You’re right. Maybe they should have politely asked the other teams who employed these players before Saturday if they could have them a few months earlier.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 5, 2018 13:52:50 GMT -5
It was pretty much the whole justification for taking a running back at #2. There’s a difference between Eli is still a championship quality QB and all we need is a LT and a RB and Eli will win the SB for us.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 5, 2018 14:40:42 GMT -5
Yeah. It’s perfectly acceptable to change out 8 guys a week before the season. Happens all the time. Isn’t the whole “rounding up quality depth process” supposed to happen in the off season? This way these guys are familiar with the playbook. I guess they’ll just wing it for September. Very effective plan. Nah, these guys got it right, just ask J Stewart. You’re right. Maybe they should have politely asked the other teams who employed these players before Saturday if they could have them a few months earlier. Exactly what I was thinking. Politely ask other teams for their players or maybe even do what the successful teams do, identify their needs in the off season and address it responsibly thru UDFAs and free agency to supplement their draft instead having to sift thru the leftovers a week before the season. Maybe cut Jerry day 1 to free up money, never guarantee Stewart almost 4m, not bring in a right guard that can’t block to the tune of 5m.... But being polite might work too. Maybe you should bring that to their attention since it’s your idea.
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Post by Merc on Sept 5, 2018 15:45:36 GMT -5
Gettleman is trying to upgrade the bottom of our depth chart. I like that better than him sitting on his ass.
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Post by nyer on Sept 5, 2018 15:51:32 GMT -5
Seems like this regime is being petty when cutting certain players from the previous regime. Other than the cancers, I don’t get that logic. DG is hated by players in his previous team for a reason. After he said that he didn’t field any calls to trade back before selecting Barkley is very telling about his attitude and ego. As far as I’m concerned Reese could’ve done the same crappy job Gettleman has but w/o the petty BS. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we weren’t so thin at CB and OT then he would’ve jettisoned Apple and Flowers as well. Mara is the real issue going forward and his noncommitment to change. Held on to Reese way too long, hired the familiar face with this uncreative GM and afraid to move on from Elisha even tho he knows it’s the right thing to do. Some of it is due to ticket sales, understandably, but if you present things the right way to your fans (time to move on from the entitled one) and you have conviction, you can recoup those losses ( esp. if you get to the PS quicker instead of circuling the drain for the next five yrs.) Bottom line is the Giants are run by a spineless egghead who doesn’t want to accept his failure with the last regime and trying to shortcut a proper rebuild.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 5, 2018 17:48:00 GMT -5
It does seem like a lot of turnover less than a week before the first game. But then again, none of the players they acquired were available earlier.
I am sticking with my previous stance; I wont question anything they are doing until I see the results starting Sunday.
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Post by nyer on Sept 6, 2018 16:17:22 GMT -5
+1 It is going to take a while to replace some of the depth we would have had after Reese had so many swings and misses in the later rounds of the draft. That is why the new regime signed all those players from off waivers...they can only work with the hand they've been dealt. Ca'nt expect everything to be fixed overnight. But we were told that if we just got a running back and an LT, Eli would lead us back to the promised land. Now - all of a sudden - it’s a rebuild. That’s bc all the season ticket packages have been sold. Money trumps everything, don’tcha know? God forbid Barkley goes down, what bill of goods are they gonna try to sell to the fan base then. Prolly just use the injury excuse again while they resign Elisha to a four yr extension to ensure the next years season passes get booked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 17:24:58 GMT -5
Seems like this regime is being petty when cutting certain players from the previous regime. Other than the cancers, I don’t get that logic. DG is hated by players in his previous team for a reason. After he said that he didn’t field any calls to trade back before selecting Barkley is very telling about his attitude and ego. As far as I’m concerned Reese could’ve done the same crappy job Gettleman has but w/o the petty BS. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we weren’t so thin at CB and OT then he would’ve jettisoned Apple and Flowers as well. Mara is the real issue going forward and his noncommitment to change. Held on to Reese way too long, hired the familiar face with this uncreative GM and afraid to move on from Elisha even tho he knows it’s the right thing to do. Some of it is due to ticket sales, understandably, but if you present things the right way to your fans (time to move on from the entitled one) and you have conviction, you can recoup those losses ( esp. if you get to the PS quicker instead of circuling the drain for the next five yrs.) Bottom line is the Giants are run by a spineless egghead who doesn’t want to accept his failure with the last regime and trying to shortcut a proper rebuild. whats wrong with getting rid of Flowers and Apple if the opportunity was there? Reese would have drafted a QB. He never got the chance to select one in the first. Him and Marc Ross were salivating as the losses kept piling up. What DG is doing this offseason is something Reese should have done a long time ago. Trim the fat but he kept trotting out bozos like Hart, useless linebackers who were always injured and no name running backs.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 6, 2018 17:30:06 GMT -5
I’m done with trying to make sense out an organization that switches out 8 out the 53 players they initially decided were the 53. To me it suggests in large part that they were horrible during the off season at bringing in UDFAs and FAs that might be contributors. I thought Jerrill Adams, Thomas and Okwara were contributors when given the chance. Can’t help but think that some of these changes were made for the sake of making change and some good football players are being caught up in that wake. Bottom line is these new guys will be wearing Giants uniforms on their back and name tags on their front. I just hope they’re right about these guys because in the last five years under Coughlin and McAdoo their season has been over in October way too many times. They say a new broom sweeps clean. That’s been the case but it’s hard to ignore their blind spot for J Stewart and feel confidant about these guys. Additionally it’s impossible to ignore the contradictions on the boards where guys use the FOs expertise in evaluating QB talent during the recent cut of Webb, yet the same people complain when they evaluate a QB draft class and complain about the same FO passing on the opportunity to draft one of them. Do they know what they are doing or not? Can’t have it both ways. This is a good perspective. Yes we were 3-13 which casts a big shadow on the roster. Yes, a few of the guys released late had shown some ability in spots and were replace by other teams' cast offs. Sometimes change is for the better and sometimes change is just to give the appearance of upgrading. I am not sure what we are experiencing. Look, I am a well documented JR detractor when it came to harvesting talent but that DOES NOT mean that everyone he brought here had to go. If we are trying to send a message that we need better from everyone up and down the roster, that may be enough for these changes. If they are just being petty to get all the old regime out, I am not on board with that.
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Post by EliQB10 on Sept 6, 2018 17:33:43 GMT -5
I’m done with trying to make sense out an organization that switches out 8 out the 53 players they initially decided were the 53. To me it suggests in large part that they were horrible during the off season at bringing in UDFAs and FAs that might be contributors. I thought Jerrill Adams, Thomas and Okwara were contributors when given the chance. Can’t help but think that some of these changes were made for the sake of making change and some good football players are being caught up in that wake. Bottom line is these new guys will be wearing Giants uniforms on their back and name tags on their front. I just hope they’re right about these guys because in the last five years under Coughlin and McAdoo their season has been over in October way too many times. They say a new broom sweeps clean. That’s been the case but it’s hard to ignore their blind spot for J Stewart and feel confidant about these guys. Additionally it’s impossible to ignore the contradictions on the boards where guys use the FOs expertise in evaluating QB talent during the recent cut of Webb, yet the same people complain when they evaluate a QB draft class and complain about the same FO passing on the opportunity to draft one of them. Do they know what they are doing or not? Can’t have it both ways. This is a good perspective. Yes we were 3-13 which casts a big shadow on the roster. Yes, a few of the guys released late had shown some ability in spots and were replace by other teams' cast offs. Sometimes change is for the better and sometimes change is just to give the appearance of upgrading. I am not sure what we are experiencing. Look, I am a well documented JR detractor when it came to harvesting talent but that DOES NOT mean that everyone he brought here had to go. If we are trying to send a message that we need better from everyone up and down the roster, that may be enough for these changes. If they are just being petty to get all the old regime out, I am not on board with that. I agree with your perspective...we'll just have to see how it all pans out...
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Post by Roswell on Sept 6, 2018 17:48:12 GMT -5
I’m done with trying to make sense out an organization that switches out 8 out the 53 players they initially decided were the 53. To me it suggests in large part that they were horrible during the off season at bringing in UDFAs and FAs that might be contributors. I thought Jerrill Adams, Thomas and Okwara were contributors when given the chance. Can’t help but think that some of these changes were made for the sake of making change and some good football players are being caught up in that wake. Bottom line is these new guys will be wearing Giants uniforms on their back and name tags on their front. I just hope they’re right about these guys because in the last five years under Coughlin and McAdoo their season has been over in October way too many times. They say a new broom sweeps clean. That’s been the case but it’s hard to ignore their blind spot for J Stewart and feel confidant about these guys. Additionally it’s impossible to ignore the contradictions on the boards where guys use the FOs expertise in evaluating QB talent during the recent cut of Webb, yet the same people complain when they evaluate a QB draft class and complain about the same FO passing on the opportunity to draft one of them. Do they know what they are doing or not? Can’t have it both ways. This is a good perspective. Yes we were 3-13 which casts a big shadow on the roster. Yes, a few of the guys released late had shown some ability in spots and were replace by other teams' cast offs. Sometimes change is for the better and sometimes change is just to give the appearance of upgrading. I am not sure what we are experiencing. Look, I am a well documented JR detractor when it came to harvesting talent but that DOES NOT mean that everyone he brought here had to go. If we are trying to send a message that we need better from everyone up and down the roster, that may be enough for these changes. If they are just being petty to get all the old regime out, I am not on board with that. Agreed. I think it’s both. We don’t have insight into the locker room and the way players conduct themselves. But I think the idea is to keep the best 53 and can’t see Tanney over Webb or Simonson over Adams but it is what it is. I’ve never seen any team switch out 8 guys a week before the season starts. That’s crazy.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 6, 2018 17:56:14 GMT -5
This is a good perspective. Yes we were 3-13 which casts a big shadow on the roster. Yes, a few of the guys released late had shown some ability in spots and were replace by other teams' cast offs. Sometimes change is for the better and sometimes change is just to give the appearance of upgrading. I am not sure what we are experiencing. Look, I am a well documented JR detractor when it came to harvesting talent but that DOES NOT mean that everyone he brought here had to go. If we are trying to send a message that we need better from everyone up and down the roster, that may be enough for these changes. If they are just being petty to get all the old regime out, I am not on board with that. Agreed. I think it’s both. We don’t have insight into the locker room and the way players conduct themselves. But I think the idea is to keep the best 53 and can’t see Tanney over Webb or Simonson over Adams but it is what it is. I’ve never seen any team switch out 8 guys a week before the season starts. That’s crazy. Adams is so much better than the two starters we had when he arrived (Tye and Donnell) He blocked better and he caught the ball at least as well as both of them and I don't remember a single fumble by him. So he's our 3rd TE and still a young guy and he's gone. Was he lazy? Hard to fathom based on how he played. Do they really know that the next 3rd TE in is an upgrade? Also hard to fathom. We'll see...….I like and trust Shurmur but I have my guard up.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 7, 2018 17:27:01 GMT -5
Agreed. I think it’s both. We don’t have insight into the locker room and the way players conduct themselves. But I think the idea is to keep the best 53 and can’t see Tanney over Webb or Simonson over Adams but it is what it is. I’ve never seen any team switch out 8 guys a week before the season starts. That’s crazy. Adams is so much better than the two starters we had when he arrived (Tye and Donnell) He blocked better and he caught the ball at least as well as both of them and I don't remember a single fumble by him. So he's our 3rd TE and still a young guy and he's gone. Was he lazy? Hard to fathom based on how he played. Do they really know that the next 3rd TE in is an upgrade? Also hard to fathom. We'll see...….I like and trust Shurmur but I have my guard up. Not positive but I thought I heard that Adams was the fastest TE in his draft class. I never thought they used him properly. They kept using him with button hooks. He should’ve been running some seam stuff.
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Post by Speedman on Sept 7, 2018 17:48:57 GMT -5
Seems like this regime is being petty when cutting certain players from the previous regime. Other than the cancers, I don’t get that logic. DG is hated by players in his previous team for a reason. After he said that he didn’t field any calls to trade back before selecting Barkley is very telling about his attitude and ego. As far as I’m concerned Reese could’ve done the same crappy job Gettleman has but w/o the petty BS. There’s no doubt in my mind that if we weren’t so thin at CB and OT then he would’ve jettisoned Apple and Flowers as well. Mara is the real issue going forward and his noncommitment to change. Held on to Reese way too long, hired the familiar face with this uncreative GM and afraid to move on from Elisha even tho he knows it’s the right thing to do. Some of it is due to ticket sales, understandably, but if you present things the right way to your fans (time to move on from the entitled one) and you have conviction, you can recoup those losses ( esp. if you get to the PS quicker instead of circuling the drain for the next five yrs.) Bottom line is the Giants are run by a spineless egghead who doesn’t want to accept his failure with the last regime and trying to shortcut a proper rebuild. Funny how a lot of people were bitching about JR’s later round draft choices and now bitching about DG getting rid of those players.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 8, 2018 8:06:04 GMT -5
Adams is so much better than the two starters we had when he arrived (Tye and Donnell) He blocked better and he caught the ball at least as well as both of them and I don't remember a single fumble by him. So he's our 3rd TE and still a young guy and he's gone. Was he lazy? Hard to fathom based on how he played. Do they really know that the next 3rd TE in is an upgrade? Also hard to fathom. We'll see...….I like and trust Shurmur but I have my guard up. Not positive but I thought I heard that Adams was the fastest TE in his draft class. I never thought they used him properly. They kept using him with button hooks. He should’ve been running some seam stuff. Adams always looked athletic, active and purposeful when he was out there. When Donnell (our starter) would be avoiding contact on running plays, whiffing on blocks etc, Adams was always executing nicely, sealing an edge or giving support to the RT. It is done so I wish him well but it is the first yellow flag for me and this new regime.
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