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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 25, 2020 18:07:48 GMT -5
I was just talking to JPthe Pizz on a thread when I was looking around the NFC. There is no real cut favorite like in the AFC (KC or Balt.) I don't believe S.F. is any better than I'm counting 6 teams that could beat them. G.B., Minn., Sea., Dal., Philly, and N.O. and that doesn't even include T.B. And the peoples choice Arizona.
When I go thru the remaining teams we don't seem to be stronger than anybody. I'm tired of losing the first 2-3 games every year. And putting ourselves in such a hole. And this years schedule our first 3 games we face 3 of the toughest defenses in the league.
Plenty of time for me to get excited and I do believe we have really improved going in. Just feel we need to get off strong and the schedule doesn't do us any favors. My son thinks we don't win a game to the 6th game of the season vs the Skins. I think we could beat the Bears. These terrible starts we've had are killers.
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Post by lasion2 on Jun 25, 2020 18:23:17 GMT -5
Couldn’t agree more. I was going to camp this year with a giant (pun?) sign that read:
SEPTEMBER IS NOT THE PRESEASON BE READY TO PLAY
Without looking, what is our record in September since 2015? My guess is 4-16
This year, if being realistic, doesn’t look much better in the early goings.
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Post by Kruunch on Jun 25, 2020 19:07:09 GMT -5
Already discounting the team that went to the super bowl? The 49ers are still the team to beat in the NFC. Then you have Seattle, Saints, Packers and the Vikings. And don’t count out the Cowboys and Eagles. I hate to say it, I think the Cowboys are going to be a good team this year. They had a solid draft and they now have a head coach who’s not a sock puppet like Garrett was.
Your son isn’t crazy. The first 5 weeks will either make us or break us. We could easily start the season 0-5. Which would be a death sentence to our season. We will see what our team is made of fairly quickly. We are all excited to see what Judge has to offer, Daniel Jones in his sophomore season and Barkley staying healthy. And would it kill our defense to not embarrass themselves this year? If we’re going to be taken seriously and not be pushovers our defense needs to step up.
It’s a new season with optimism and excitement. Win or lose we want to see our team play and play like Giants. The so called “experts” will say we’ll suck and will be a dumpster fire before the first pass is thrown. But you know what? Maybe, we will prove the doubters wrong. Maybe, we’ll shock even the most critical fans (that being me) maybe this is the beginning of something special..
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Post by McCherry on Jun 25, 2020 19:13:25 GMT -5
We've got a home game to open against the Steelers with Rothlisberger's first game in a year. Then we have the Bears who are lost as a franchise. Just sayin', losing the first 2 games this year will not be acceptable as it been in recent years.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 25, 2020 19:19:06 GMT -5
Redskins defense should be tight.....
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 25, 2020 20:45:11 GMT -5
I dont have that much confidence that this team is going to win a game in September maybe even October. The cards are mighty stacked against this team right now. New coach, DJ in year two with new offense, young players at key positions and not to mention the freakin pandemic still going on right now.
The only "winnable" games until the bye week I see are Chicago and Washington, both whom have really good defenses. I can see them starting to gel more as October comes to a close.
As for the NFC; San Fran, Seattle, Green Bay, New Orleans, Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Dallas are likely the top in the conference. I dont think Philadelphia, Atlanta, Arizona, Detroit and LA are that far away either.
We are pretty much at the bottom with Washington, Carolina and Chicago IMO.
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Post by redbeardxxv on Jun 25, 2020 22:54:39 GMT -5
Everybody is sleeping on Tampa. Brady isn't what he used to be, but I think he's happier, and that will help keep him competitive. Adding Gronk when you already have OJ Howard and Cameron Brate, Wide receivers like he's almost never had before in Evans and Godwin, throw in a good defense, and at least on paper, it looks good for the Bucs this year.
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Post by McCherry on Jun 26, 2020 2:05:00 GMT -5
Redskins defense should be tight..... Their defense was worse than ours.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Jun 26, 2020 5:35:03 GMT -5
Redskins defense should be tight..... Their defense was worse than ours. It was a joke....
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Post by McCherry on Jun 26, 2020 11:12:35 GMT -5
Everybody is sleeping on Tampa. Brady isn't what he used to be, but I think he's happier, and that will help keep him competitive. Adding Gronk when you already have OJ Howard and Cameron Brate, Wide receivers like he's almost never had before in Evans and Godwin, throw in a good defense, and at least on paper, it looks good for the Bucs this year. I think TB is getting too much attention. Brady was not a good QB last year and the Bucs were bad team. I think people are crazy to think Brady will be the difference.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 26, 2020 12:00:02 GMT -5
This is good NFL talk and one reason I visit here so often vs me hanging out on my Cowboyszone boards.
Let's talk about the NFCE. It is the coaching factor #1 and then talent. I think Philthy has the best coach but we'll have to see what the 3 new coaches bring but even in a normal season we have 3 of the 4 teams learning new systems. They are automatically handicapped . The consistency that Philthy brings to the table is huge and will be a difference maker at least until mid season. This is compounded by the COVID factor and none of the usual OTA's and players being in their facilities for coaching and training. This lack of study will show.
Talent. I see all 4 teams as improved, NYG the most as in working on their OL. If DJ improves they'll look vastly better simply because of the line, SB, and a more experienced and studied DJ. They will challenge defenses. I don't see a lot of improvement on D except Martinez who I highly respect. Your DB's got stronger with Bradberry who got pretty elite money. The safety out of 'Bama should develop into a good player. There's holes but every team in the league has holes.
Philthy evaluation: I hate that team but I'ma be honest. They should win the division IF Wince can stay on the field. At first looking at their draft I was unimpressed especially with their 1st 2 picks. Hurt was a head scratcher. Reagor is fast but not the best hands. Glad my Cows punked them by getting Lamb. DeSean Jackson is back if he can maintain his health. Decent run game. Their D will be good but it's always good even when they have a lot of injuries. Good schemes. They have definitely improved their DB's.
Washington ... I don't know what to say ... best DL in the division but that's it. QB will hurt them again but they could have a decent run game. If they are to challenge teams it will have to come from coaching.
Dallas, obviously I'm intimately familiar with them and by reading some posts on here some have a good handle on them too. #1 yardage offense and #6 scoring last year. They had all that yardage because of a defense that was shitty at stopping other teams thus thay consistently had a long field. OL is in a bit of a flux but should be good ... I trust coaching to figure it out. As most know here there's lots of ? on defense mainly DB's. B. Jones leaving leaves shoes to fill but I like our 2 draft choices. Safety is upgraded but not by much, Dallas hasn't valued Safety for a long while now. Not sure who will even start next to Ha Ha Dix. Gonna have to rely on the DL to pressure more and they will especially up the middle. I think Nolan (DC) will use the blitz more. If Van der Esch stays healthy I think Dallas' susceptibility to the opponent run games can be fixed. Improved DL will keep the LB's cleaner too.
Coaching: On the Giants I know little about Judge or Graham other than their Belicheat Tree roots and haven't read a lot here. In Washington I respect Rivera. Their OC has never had that position before. Jack DelRio is DC and he's good ! Philthy has the best staff with Pederson being out of Andy Reid tree. Schwartz is very good ! Cows ... Who knows what we got. I gotta see them perform and I suspect the early part of the season will be rocky. I like the McCarthy choice and I like the 2 coordinators and ST coach.
NFCE : Philthy, Dallas , NYG, Wash
NFC South: (strong division) NO, Atl, TB, Carolina ... the 1st 3 could all be PO teams.
NFC Central: Vikes, GB, Chi, Det (who cares on the last 2)
NFC West: SF, Seattle, Arizona, LA
If Brees plays well (I thought he was in decline last year and there is now dissention on the team) I see NO and SF battling it out for the Conference. GB or the Vikes could get in there as well as Seattle (Pete's a helluva coach). All 1st tier. My one concern for SF is Garapolo. Vikes have had some lost talent. Any of these teams a case can be made for them making the SB.
I think Dallas is a year away (defensive issues), Philthy has chronic injuries and an older team, TB will not have enough and I don't think TB will be great for a whole season ... he's 43. Arizona is not there yet. All these are second tier teams.
In the SB it'll be the Chiefs winning. I just see defenses getting on to Jackson's game or him getting hurt.
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Post by lasion2 on Jun 26, 2020 15:37:26 GMT -5
That’s a good assessment Guano.
The eagles advantage can’t be overstated. I think the cowboys have a slight edge, roster wise.
There are some uncanny similarities there too. The OLines, while still very good, are showing signs of vulnerability. If the eagles trot out Dillard and a JAG with Kelce and Johnson, it might not be a picnic for Wentz back there.
Weapons galore on both teams.
Both teams lost “franchise” safeties and have legitimate questions in the secondary.
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Post by DandyDon on Jun 26, 2020 20:53:55 GMT -5
Everybody is sleeping on Tampa. Brady isn't what he used to be, but I think he's happier, and that will help keep him competitive. Adding Gronk when you already have OJ Howard and Cameron Brate, Wide receivers like he's almost never had before in Evans and Godwin, throw in a good defense, and at least on paper, it looks good for the Bucs this year. I think TB is getting too much attention. Brady was not a good QB last year and the Bucs were bad team. I think people are crazy to think Brady will be the difference. I agree. In the games I saw, Brady looked overwhelmed and disgusted behind a bad OL with limited talent around him. I'll be amazed if TB has a good year in 2020.
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Post by tcseacliff on Jun 27, 2020 8:04:56 GMT -5
Yeah, seems like we never het a balanced schedule! We get it stacked this way all the time ! I realize it is computer generated but come oonn !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 10:16:56 GMT -5
Yeah, seems like we never het a balanced schedule! We get it stacked this way all the time ! I realize it is computer generated but come oonn !!! The schedule isn't computer generated. They rotate and play each division for both the AFC and NFC then have the team play the other NFC conference teams that finished in the same place as them.
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Post by JoeyCush on Jun 27, 2020 10:19:57 GMT -5
Yeah, seems like we never het a balanced schedule! We get it stacked this way all the time ! I realize it is computer generated but come oonn !!! The schedule isn't computer generated. They rotate and play each division for both the AFC and NFC then have the team play the other NFC conference teams that finished in the same place as them. Yeah pretty much. I can tell you the Giants opponents in 2025 right now, sans the two NFC division opponents in same place. I hate when people argue the "league" screwed us with scheduling. I mean not for nothing, the way its done is probably the most fair scheduling you can possibly come up with while making sure every team gets to play each other every few years.
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Post by TEM on Jun 27, 2020 10:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah, seems like we never het a balanced schedule! We get it stacked this way all the time ! I realize it is computer generated but come oonn !!! The schedule isn't computer generated. They rotate and play each division for both the AFC and NFC then have the team play the other NFC conference teams that finished in the same place as them. I think the only thing that is generated by a computer is the actual schedule on what day the pre determined opponents play.
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Post by giants8493 on Jun 27, 2020 14:35:40 GMT -5
Everybody is sleeping on Tampa. Brady isn't what he used to be, but I think he's happier, and that will help keep him competitive. Adding Gronk when you already have OJ Howard and Cameron Brate, Wide receivers like he's almost never had before in Evans and Godwin, throw in a good defense, and at least on paper, it looks good for the Bucs this year. I think TB is getting too much attention. Brady was not a good QB last year and the Bucs were bad team. I think people are crazy to think Brady will be the difference. jamies did throw for 5k yards and they still stunk.
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Post by Eagles R. Guano on Jun 27, 2020 20:34:12 GMT -5
I think TB is getting too much attention. Brady was not a good QB last year and the Bucs were bad team. I think people are crazy to think Brady will be the difference. jamies did throw for 5k yards and they still stunk. TB was 7-9. As a Cow fan that's almost acceptable . In reality Winston threw 30 int's. 30 is huge ! I had a discussion on the board with someone about the importance of turnovers/int's. They can win your team's games if they get them. Or they can cost you wins. Thus 7-9. I hate turnovers when my team commits them. Just demoralizing. But in Winston's case ... he cost his team wins. Brady is not a big int guy, very safe with the ball. His downfall will be stamina for the long season ... just don't think his arm will hold up. TB has a good OL and a pretty good team overall. Tough division. (Any team with Brady will get the attention). Tampa has a good chance to have a good record and Brady will get the credit if they do.
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Post by jppt1974 on Jun 27, 2020 20:44:23 GMT -5
Just hope there is a season. And that with TB now without Winston and with Brady, things could change. Turnovers that should try to be avoided and not made in the first place!
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Jun 27, 2020 21:17:22 GMT -5
Every year there are surprises and I would love for us to be one this year. That said, we are in a division with 2 significantly better teams and overall still very young. I will not be surprised if this is a 4-12 team. To my eye we have glaring issues including lack of pass rush and no true Center to speak of. The value of Center to a line that is young and needs gelling can’t be overstated. Now we seem to be pinning our hopes that a 5th round guard is ready for the job. If a bunch of things that seem one way turn out another this team may be ready to make a leap. Also, despite the fact that he has talked a great game, we have zero idea if Joe Judge may turn out to be a turd as HC. I’m sure not getting my hopes up until things are tangibly different with the product on the field.
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Post by IrishMike on Jun 28, 2020 10:49:07 GMT -5
The NFC is wide open this year until it's not. We have a ton of talent and a complete unknown in a coaching staff. I like Judge and the staff he assembled but how will Garrett do? How will Columbo do without those beasts in Dallas? How will having 10 former HCs on one staff go? How will this mix of college/NFL and Pats/Bama go?
This team can be great or awful depending how the staff does.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 28, 2020 11:46:39 GMT -5
jamies did throw for 5k yards and they still stunk. TB was 7-9. As a Cow fan that's almost acceptable . In reality Winston threw 30 int's. 30 is huge ! I had a discussion on the board with someone about the impotance of turnovers/int's. They can win your team's games if they get them. Or they can cost you wins. Thus 7-9. I hate turnovers when my team commits them. Just demoralizing. But in Winston's case ... he cost his team wins. Brady is not a big int guy, very safe with the ball. His downfall will be stamina for the long season ... just don't think his arm will hold up. TB has a good OL and a pretty good team overall. Tough division. (Any team with Brady will get the attention). Tampa has a good chance to have a good record and Brady will get the credit if they do. 30/30/ 5K club Takes a lot of hard work to have a year like that
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Post by McCherry on Jun 28, 2020 12:21:15 GMT -5
TB was 7-9. As a Cow fan that's almost acceptable . In reality Winston threw 30 int's. 30 is huge ! I had a discussion on the board with someone about the impotance of turnovers/int's. They can win your team's games if they get them. Or they can cost you wins. Thus 7-9. I hate turnovers when my team commits them. Just demoralizing. But in Winston's case ... he cost his team wins. Brady is not a big int guy, very safe with the ball. His downfall will be stamina for the long season ... just don't think his arm will hold up. TB has a good OL and a pretty good team overall. Tough division. (Any team with Brady will get the attention). Tampa has a good chance to have a good record and Brady will get the credit if they do. 30/30/ 5K club Takes a lot of hard work to have a year like that A missed FG vs. the Giants cost them the playoffs. But with Brady I think they are about the same, a win or 2 from the playoffs. Brady has been running for his life back there. The seasonal drop-off at that age is exponential, not a little. And let's not pretend there weren't other factors behind this signing that have nothing to do with what happens on the field. I'd be more afraid of the Bucs with a young up and coming QB.
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Post by giantsrock on Jun 28, 2020 16:29:14 GMT -5
The NFC is wide open this year until it's not. We have a ton of talent and a complete unknown in a coaching staff. I like Judge and the staff he assembled but how will Garrett do? How will Columbo do without those beasts in Dallas? How will having 10 former HCs on one staff go? How will this mix of college/NFL and Pats/Bama go? This team can be great or awful depending how the staff does. PFF would disagree. They have our roster ranked 27th. www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-ravens-first-jaguars-last
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Post by idkaname on Jun 28, 2020 22:01:14 GMT -5
The NFC is wide open this year until it's not. We have a ton of talent and a complete unknown in a coaching staff. I like Judge and the staff he assembled but how will Garrett do? How will Columbo do without those beasts in Dallas? How will having 10 former HCs on one staff go? How will this mix of college/NFL and Pats/Bama go? This team can be great or awful depending how the staff does. PFF would disagree. They have our roster ranked 27th. www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-ravens-first-jaguars-last this list is just silly. The jaguars are not the worst team in the nfl and the bengals aren’t better than the giants, redskins, Jaguars, jets or panthers. This team has Bobby hart starting. Gtfo.
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Post by giants8493 on Jun 28, 2020 23:12:49 GMT -5
jamies did throw for 5k yards and they still stunk. TB was 7-9. As a Cow fan that's almost acceptable . In reality Winston threw 30 int's. 30 is huge ! I had a discussion on the board with someone about the importance of turnovers/int's. They can win your team's games if they get them. Or they can cost you wins. Thus 7-9. I hate turnovers when my team commits them. Just demoralizing. But in Winston's case ... he cost his team wins. Brady is not a big int guy, very safe with the ball. His downfall will be stamina for the long season ... just don't think his arm will hold up. TB has a good OL and a pretty good team overall. Tough division. (Any team with Brady will get the attention). Tampa has a good chance to have a good record and Brady will get the credit if they do. Right that is a ton of turnovers. Unrelated I guess but I know that people seem to be really hype on the bucs offense. All I meant to say is that offense almost can't possibly be as productive. Brady I think can get them more wins but I don't think the offense is going to be as productive in terms of scoring. This would then put some more emphasis on the defense
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 29, 2020 2:22:53 GMT -5
TB was 7-9. As a Cow fan that's almost acceptable . In reality Winston threw 30 int's. 30 is huge ! I had a discussion on the board with someone about the importance of turnovers/int's. They can win your team's games if they get them. Or they can cost you wins. Thus 7-9. I hate turnovers when my team commits them. Just demoralizing. But in Winston's case ... he cost his team wins. Brady is not a big int guy, very safe with the ball. His downfall will be stamina for the long season ... just don't think his arm will hold up. TB has a good OL and a pretty good team overall. Tough division. (Any team with Brady will get the attention). Tampa has a good chance to have a good record and Brady will get the credit if they do. Right that is a ton of turnovers. Unrelated I guess but I know that people seem to be really hype on the bucs offense. All I meant to say is that offense almost can't possibly be as productive. Brady I think can get them more wins but I don't think the offense is going to be as productive in terms of scoring. This would then put some more emphasis on the defense Cut the INTs in half and that's a 10 win team How many games were lost due to pick 6s ?
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 29, 2020 6:30:34 GMT -5
Right that is a ton of turnovers. Unrelated I guess but I know that people seem to be really hype on the bucs offense. All I meant to say is that offense almost can't possibly be as productive. Brady I think can get them more wins but I don't think the offense is going to be as productive in terms of scoring. This would then put some more emphasis on the defense Cut the INTs in half and that's a 10 win team How many games were lost due to pick 6s ? Brady will throw far fewer INTs, but he also is not the down field thrower that Winston is. Will be interesting to see how Arians changes the offense to better suit TB12's skills.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jun 29, 2020 6:35:33 GMT -5
Cut the INTs in half and that's a 10 win team How many games were lost due to pick 6s ? Brady will throw far fewer INTs, but he also is not the down field thrower that Winston is. Will be interesting to see how Arians changes the offense to better suit TB12's skills. Basically the same system (Erheart/Perkins)as New England so other than verbiage not much at all There will be downfield throws,just not the mad bomber offense
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