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Post by Speedman on May 20, 2018 12:48:57 GMT -5
You really need to let go of this QB thing. The FO made the decision and we have to live with it whether good or bad. So...in a thread titled "How many of you feel that we should have taken a QB at #2?", I can't express my opinion that we should have? You can express whatever you want, but you are obsessed with this. How many times are you going to post that they should have taken a QB at 2?
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Post by jerseyrattler on May 20, 2018 13:43:08 GMT -5
So...in a thread titled "How many of you feel that we should have taken a QB at #2?", I can't express my opinion that we should have? You can express whatever you want, but you are obsessed with this. How many times are you going to post that they should have taken a QB at 2? lol, ya think
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on May 20, 2018 14:21:19 GMT -5
I do... I wanted Darnold in the worst way. I just hope it won't be a regrettable move in the long run.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 14:27:51 GMT -5
So...in a thread titled "How many of you feel that we should have taken a QB at #2?", I can't express my opinion that we should have? You can express whatever you want, but you are obsessed with this. How many times are you going to post that they should have taken a QB at 2? Probably less times than people will bring up a general manager that hasn't been with the team for six months now
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on May 20, 2018 14:29:46 GMT -5
Barkley was $1,000 worth of scratch-offs. Rosen/Darnold/Allen were $1,000 put into an IRA. Sure, you might hit 10 grand instantly with the $1,000 worth of scratch-offs...but, probably not. Meanwhile, barring a market collapse...the $1,000 put in the IRA should pay dividends for years to come. Bronx, I already know how you feel about this and I cant say tnat I disagree... Interesting way of putting it, and I agree. We're scratching off lottery tickets today hoping to win now, instead of drafting a franchise QB for the long term investment.
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Post by jimmieray on May 21, 2018 8:26:30 GMT -5
What will you say if the Giants make the playoffs this season? I don't know if you saw my statement about the contrast between buying scratch-offs and putting the money into an IRA, but...I guess like when you win $20 on a scratch-off, I'd say, "Woo hoo!" But when we enter into quarterback hell and for years can't find our way to 8-8, let alone the playoffs...will that "Woo hoo!" sustain me? There's a probability that with the new coaching, personnel (including Barkley), and schemes on both sides of the ball - that any "Woo hoos" early on may only come from certain plays, and not the game results themselves. But I believe Barkley and all those other ingredients will eventually solidify into the type of overall football team we want to see. This will benefit whoever takes over for Manning, and give them the best chance to succeed. If not, I also don't see the league being as QB talent starved as it was for many previous years, and any one of those drafted by other teams could land back in our team's laps, in the future.
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Post by Parsley on May 22, 2018 12:46:24 GMT -5
I wanted Barkley. I think (or hope) a good ELI and then perhaps a good Webb, etc. in a few years is all they need with the right weapons and correctly built O And D lines.
If Nick Foles can lead a well built team to a Super Bowl then an average or better QB can do the same. I guess post-Eli I’m confident the Giants find the right “good” guy in the pack. Honestly NFC lacks a juggernaut team I think any given team can go far any year with the right moves. Ex: Eagles.
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Post by goldenratio on May 24, 2018 14:23:21 GMT -5
I don't know if you saw my statement about the contrast between buying scratch-offs and putting the money into an IRA, but...I guess like when you win $20 on a scratch-off, I'd say, "Woo hoo!" But when we enter into quarterback hell and for years can't find our way to 8-8, let alone the playoffs...will that "Woo hoo!" sustain me? You really need to let go of this QB thing. The FO made the decision and we have to live with it whether good or bad. But why ASSume they are going to enter "QB Hell"(whatever the heck that means)? it is the narrative you created in your own mind and not in any way any kind of reality at this point. Tell your brain's overactive imagination to relax and stop worrying. just a friendly suggestion.
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Post by Delicreep on May 25, 2018 8:25:09 GMT -5
In my heart I wanted Saquon but my head said we should have taken the QB, what say you? Barkley was $1,000 worth of scratch-offs. Rosen/Darnold/Allen were $1,000 put into an IRA. Sure, you might hit 10 grand instantly with the $1,000 worth of scratch-offs...but, probably not. Meanwhile, barring a market collapse...the $1,000 put in the IRA should pay dividends for years to come. So you are saying that with the second pick, the Giants should have taken all three guys? Because there's a pretty good chance one or two of them is gonna be worth $1,000 worth of losing scratch offs. You were all about Allen on the old boards, right? Why now are you betting the field? It feels like you are just maximizing your chances of saying, "see, I told you so".
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Post by jimmieray on May 25, 2018 10:41:36 GMT -5
You really need to let go of this QB thing. The FO made the decision and we have to live with it whether good or bad. But why ASSume they are going to enter "QB Hell"(whatever the heck that means)? it is the narrative you created in your own mind and not in any way any kind of reality at this point. Tell your brain's overactive imagination to relax and stop worrying. just a friendly suggestion. In reality, how many teams are currently in "QB hell?"
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 11:26:02 GMT -5
Barkley was $1,000 worth of scratch-offs. Rosen/Darnold/Allen were $1,000 put into an IRA. Sure, you might hit 10 grand instantly with the $1,000 worth of scratch-offs...but, probably not. Meanwhile, barring a market collapse...the $1,000 put in the IRA should pay dividends for years to come. So you are saying that with the second pick, the Giants should have taken all three guys? Because there's a pretty good chance one or two of them is gonna be worth $1,000 worth of losing scratch offs. You were all about Allen on the old boards, right? Why now are you betting the field? It feels like you are just maximizing your chances of saying, "see, I told you so". I think we've had this conversation before. I always said that I would be fine with any of Rosen/Darnold/Allen, but that I leaned toward Allen.
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Post by Delicreep on May 25, 2018 11:31:53 GMT -5
So you are saying that with the second pick, the Giants should have taken all three guys? Because there's a pretty good chance one or two of them is gonna be worth $1,000 worth of losing scratch offs. You were all about Allen on the old boards, right? Why now are you betting the field? It feels like you are just maximizing your chances of saying, "see, I told you so". I think we've had this conversation before. I always said that I would be fine with any of Rosen/Darnold/Allen, but that I leaned toward Allen. So if Allen is a bust, then the Giants made the right move by taking Barkley?
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Post by Morehead State on May 25, 2018 13:41:52 GMT -5
So...in a thread titled "How many of you feel that we should have taken a QB at #2?", I can't express my opinion that we should have? Bronx, let it go man, we all know how you feel already...you certainly have the right to express your opinion but maybe spare us some of your long analogies...🤣 Well he kind of has a point. It IS the title of the thread.
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Post by Merc on May 25, 2018 15:17:54 GMT -5
For those of you who wanted Darnold here is a review of the Jets first OTA.
Sam Darnold played poorly in his first OTA practice. He looked overwhelmed in the pocket at times. He had trouble communicating with his receivers. He completed only 2-of-10 passes and took two sacks. (No one actually touched him, the pressure just got to him before he threw the ball.) Darnold tossed a couple of interceptions in 7-on-7 drills. And there was another botched snap.
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Post by EliQB10 on May 25, 2018 20:01:35 GMT -5
Bronx, let it go man, we all know how you feel already...you certainly have the right to express your opinion but maybe spare us some of your long analogies...🤣 Well he kind of has a point. It IS the title of the thread. He most certainly does...I was just busting him...
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jun 4, 2018 19:45:21 GMT -5
I wanted Barkley and was so excited when we picked him. And then getting Hernandez at #2 my feet didn't touch the ground for 3 days. If we didn't draft Barkley I was praying we would draft down and get picks. Only wanted 1st and 2nd rd picks.
Am very happy the way things worked out.
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 4, 2018 20:57:08 GMT -5
I thought maybe the Bills and the Ravens moved up no? But in any case you’re right that there were mixed views on this QB class as large as it was. You are correct Rosie, I forgot that Bills moved up to take Josh Allen and Ravens to take Lamar Jackson...my bad...what I should have said earlier no one except the Jets moved up to within the top 10 picks to take a QB, including Pittsburgh who could use the heir apparent to Ben. Bills and Cards both moved into the top 10 to take QB’s
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 4, 2018 21:04:27 GMT -5
You are correct Rosie, I forgot that Bills moved up to take Josh Allen and Ravens to take Lamar Jackson...my bad...what I should have said earlier no one except the Jets moved up to within the top 10 picks to take a QB, including Pittsburgh who could use the heir apparent to Ben. Bills and Cards both moved into the top 10 to take QB’s Thanks TC, I can't remember sheet anymore
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Post by TCHOF on Jun 5, 2018 4:37:33 GMT -5
Bills and Cards both moved into the top 10 to take QB’s Thanks TC, I can't remember sheet anymore Ha! You’re not the only one!
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Post by EliQB10 on Jun 5, 2018 5:24:02 GMT -5
Thanks TC, I can't remember sheet anymore Ha! You’re not the only one! LOL
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Post by snyder55 on Jun 5, 2018 9:51:51 GMT -5
I'm happy we have Barkley but i feel that he was a luxury we couldn't afford with so many other needs......
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Post by boxcarwillie on Jul 14, 2018 23:32:13 GMT -5
Webb? Lauletta?
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 15, 2018 16:35:46 GMT -5
Yes both are question marks
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Post by Merc on Jul 15, 2018 20:23:11 GMT -5
The scratch off analogy is interesting when you consider how we won the last 2 SBs. We won the jackpot twice. Keep the luck going!
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Post by Merc on Jul 15, 2018 20:28:57 GMT -5
Yes both are question marks Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen are all question marks.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 15, 2018 21:07:07 GMT -5
Yes both are question marks Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen are all question marks. Yep they all are...we'll just have to wait and see..
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Post by goldenratio on Jul 16, 2018 10:30:37 GMT -5
Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield and Allen are all question marks. Yep they all are...we'll just have to wait and see.. rosen? injury concerns? sam Bradford 2.0? lack of mobility? darnold? turnovers? ball security? throwing motion? geno smith 2.0? Mayfield? midget? not athletic enough for the NFL? throwing lanes he found in college won't be there in the NFL? jackass factor? not cut out for the media of NY allen? hit the side of a barn? awful college tape? only slightly stronger arm then davis webb, but less accurate? should have bleeded the jets for a pick to move up to number 2, since the jets wanted darnold so bad. then getting barkley at 3 with an extra pick would have been more palatable.
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Post by EliQB10 on Jul 16, 2018 10:37:42 GMT -5
Yep they all are...we'll just have to wait and see.. rosen? injury concerns? sam Bradford 2.0? darnold? turnovers? ball security? throwing motion? geno smith 2.0? Mayfield? midget? not athletic enough for the NFL? throwing lanes he found in college won't be there in the NFL? jackass factor? not cut out for the media of NY allen? hit the side of a barn? awful college tape? only slightly stronger arm then davis webb, but less accurate? should have bleeded the jets for a pick to move up to number 2, since they wanted darnold so bad. then getting barkley at 3 with an extra pick would have been more palatable. These are all legitimate concerns but with the right coaching maybe one of them becomes a legitimate NFL starting QB, maybe not?...With that being said I am in no way disappointed that we ended up with Barkley...Let's Go Giants!
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Post by Morehead State on Jul 16, 2018 12:25:43 GMT -5
rosen? injury concerns? sam Bradford 2.0? darnold? turnovers? ball security? throwing motion? geno smith 2.0? Mayfield? midget? not athletic enough for the NFL? throwing lanes he found in college won't be there in the NFL? jackass factor? not cut out for the media of NY allen? hit the side of a barn? awful college tape? only slightly stronger arm then davis webb, but less accurate? should have bleeded the jets for a pick to move up to number 2, since they wanted darnold so bad. then getting barkley at 3 with an extra pick would have been more palatable. These are all legitimate concerns but with the right coaching maybe one of them becomes a legitimate NFL starting QB, maybe not?...With that being said I am in no way disappointed that we ended up with Barkley...Let's Go Giants! Well the biggest concern is a damned near certainty...and that's that our QB's career will be ending soon. So they have "concerns" about these guy and failed to trust their scouting and judgement and just pretended that Eli was 28 years old....and did essentially nothing about it except half measures like drafting a QB in RD 4.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jul 16, 2018 12:37:16 GMT -5
These are all legitimate concerns but with the right coaching maybe one of them becomes a legitimate NFL starting QB, maybe not?...With that being said I am in no way disappointed that we ended up with Barkley...Let's Go Giants! Well the biggest concern is a damned near certainty...and that's that our QB's career will be ending soon. So they have "concerns" about these guy and failed to trust their scouting and judgement and just pretended that Eli was 28 years old....and did essentially nothing about it except half measures like drafting a QB in RD 4.
When you have an aging QB and a crappy team you have to deal with both issues not just one of them. The other 4 teams whose QB's career will be ending soon didn't address this either. Granted their teams all enjoy the significant advantage of not needing to be completely rebuilt like the Giants but it doesn't make their need any less imminent. I too wanted a QB but the people who actually know what they're doing (that's a relative measure defined as more than everybody who is not a qualified professional) decided to take on this mess in this order which if successful puts the Giants essentially in the same boat as these others.
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