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Post by lasion2 on Sept 14, 2020 22:21:06 GMT -5
This was Darnold’s 27th start. Mayfield’s 30th. Jones’ 13th.
64-ish% for over 300 yards. Used his legs well, and he may want to hone that part of his game. Two nice Tds, though one was in garbage time. And, 2 costly mistakes.
He gets the year to iron the mistakes out, minimum. Jones looked better than Darnold and Mayfield against a better defense. Down here in philly they are killing wentz for his pocket presence.
Just pray for WR health.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Sept 14, 2020 22:23:02 GMT -5
Reminded me of Eli. Even the slide. Yikes. Eli would always throw a few nice dimes and then Eli it up. Jones did that today. Danny Dimes to Danny Nickles C range his throws werent bad though. One int was a very good defensive play. He read it perfectly . and the other his arm was hit. Granted should have taken that sack.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 14, 2020 23:26:05 GMT -5
I thought he showed a lot tonight considering he had absolutely no running game to play action off of. He was pretty good the whole night on third down and showed a lot of fight. And I can’t really fault him for the first int. I thought that was just a great play by Watt.
That said, the second int. killed them. The whole game felt different after that.
He’ll learn. And will get better and better under Garrett.
And I think it’s fair to say that Slayton is a number 1.
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Post by lexington11 on Sept 14, 2020 23:39:12 GMT -5
watt, dupree, and tuitt combined had 18 QB pressures, that's all you need to know in regards to jones. protect the kid and he will deliver.
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Post by lexington11 on Sept 14, 2020 23:42:10 GMT -5
I thought he showed a lot tonight considering he had absolutely no running game to play action off of. He was pretty good the whole night on third down and showed a lot of fight. And I can’t really fault him for the first int. I thought that was just a great play by Watt. That said, the second int. killed them. The whole game felt different after that. He’ll learn. And will get better and better under a Garrett. And I think it’s fair to say that Slayton is a number 1. i think he was surprised by how fast the defender was on him, his arm was hit as he tried to throw it away. what can you do?
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Post by GameTime on Sept 14, 2020 23:48:44 GMT -5
the two picks sucked of course but Watt made a super athletic play. Thats was not a bad read or a careless throw at all by Jones. Great great play by Watt the other pick was just him trying to cap off a drive in which he was crucial on almost every made play. Bad decision...he was too pumped to get a TD at that moment. He will learn fro that play. It was reckless but it was also aggressive.
he threw some great passes tonight into small windows. Stood tall in the pocket too. He also got clobbered and held on to the ball.
also had three easy drops too
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Post by GMenNY21 on Sept 14, 2020 23:54:00 GMT -5
I thought he showed a lot tonight considering he had absolutely no running game to play action off of. He was pretty good the whole night on third down and showed a lot of fight. And I can’t really fault him for the first int. I thought that was just a great play by Watt. That said, the second int. killed them. The whole game felt different after that He’ll learn. And will get better and better under a Garrett. And I think it’s fair to say that Slayton is a number 1. i think he was surprised by how fast the defender was on him, his arm was hit as he tried to throw it away. what can you do? Right, but he shouldn’t be surprised by Dupree’s closing speed. Jones should know the kind of athlete Dupree is from his prep and film study all week. That ball should not have left his hand , he had to take the sack. That was a huge mistake. If we point out the good we shouldn’t sugar coat the bad , he’s not a rookie anymore.
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Post by hadenough on Sept 15, 2020 5:04:46 GMT -5
Reminded me of Eli. Even the slide. Yikes. Eli would always throw a few nice dimes and then Eli it up. Jones did that today. Danny Dimes to Danny Nickles C range Yeah...he seems Eli 2.0. QBs can’t continue to have terrible plays. If so, he will lose more games for the Giants then win them. D.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 15, 2020 6:07:11 GMT -5
Well, if you saw nothing good from the kid beyond "no fumbles" what can I say.........more importantly, why would I waste my time in saying it? Don't bother with him He only posts after we lose and wastes bandwidth complaining about everything Hey if you and Jomo were happy with what you saw on the field, more power to you. Low expectations can make any Giants loss more palatable. Franchise QBs make more good plays than bad plays and win games. Jones didn't do that yesterday. I don't give him a handicap when watching him play.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 7:27:49 GMT -5
A mix of good decisions and bad ones. He is young , that is the way it is. One positive, he did not fumble the ball.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 15, 2020 7:33:38 GMT -5
A mix of good decisions and bad ones. He is young , that is the way it is. One positive, he did not fumble the ball. He actually did fumble ... just wasn’t called
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Post by ncgiantsfan on Sept 15, 2020 7:38:00 GMT -5
No preseason games and facing a tough Pittsburgh defense, I thought he played well (solid B). I don't get all the negativity, I guess everyone loves to be that guy. Honestly thought we were going to get smoked by 30 and over by halftime. Giants are not on the Steelers level right now.
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2020 7:38:55 GMT -5
A mix of good decisions and bad ones. He is young , that is the way it is. One positive, he did not fumble the ball. He actually did fumble ... just wasn’t called Too bad it wasn't . It would have been a TD. It should have been challenged by Judge. ( Rookie HC Mistake ). It was an acceptable Fumble. He was in his throwing motion . All QBs have those types of Fumbles. It is the Dumb A** fumbles that at lest in this game seem to have been addressed.
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Post by imgrate on Sept 15, 2020 7:47:38 GMT -5
He still has that slow release though. He needs to speed up his clock a bit. There wss one play in the 2nd half where he triple clutched a pass. Not sure why. He didnt need to. Ok, I hear it used in two different ways..the term quick release. To me (in football terms) it means once someone starts to throw the ball it comes out quickly compared to someone else, ala Aaron Rodgers is fast Tim Tebow is very slow release. Then sometimes people say it in regards to how long someone holds the ball before throwing it. To me thats quick decision making, not quick release. How do yall say these terms? Is it like a tomato, tomato thing? Analyst, not picking on you or being a grammar police, just saw you say it and wondering what most people mean by it
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Post by moecoastie on Sept 15, 2020 7:50:22 GMT -5
some good, some bad...overall not worried about DJ
think he took 2-steps forward with his pocket presence and control of the offense think he took 1-step back with his situational awareness
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 15, 2020 8:20:07 GMT -5
He still has that slow release though. He needs to speed up his clock a bit. There wss one play in the 2nd half where he triple clutched a pass. Not sure why. He didnt need to. Ok, I hear it used in two different ways..the term quick release. To me (in football terms) it means once someone starts to throw the ball it comes out quickly compared to someone else, ala Aaron Rodgers is fast Tim Tebow is very slow release. Then sometimes people say it in regards to how long someone holds the ball before throwing it. To me thats quick decision making, not quick release. How do yall say these terms? Is it like a tomato, tomato thing? Analyst, not picking on you or being a grammar police, just saw you say it and wondering what most people mean by it You are right. Bad wording on my part. I didnt mean release. From his start to finish the motion I think is ok. I meant his decision making in throwing it. The time it takes him to throw it. And his lack of anticipation of the pass rush.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 8:30:21 GMT -5
Solid against a good team. Also, if you are looking for the real positive, the pocket awareness did look much better. He throws one ball away .5 seconds sooner and we are having an even more positive conversation. I believe he is easily better than Mayfield or Darnold. In other news I give Gates and F ——————-(this is roughly 12 minuses) Who could have known starting a C who has zero snaps at the position would be a bad idea?
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Post by SG88 on Sept 15, 2020 9:12:32 GMT -5
This was Darnold’s 27th start. Mayfield’s 30th. Jones’ 13th. 64-ish% for over 300 yards. Used his legs well, and he may want to hone that part of his game. Two nice Tds, though one was in garbage time. And, 2 costly mistakes. He gets the year to iron the mistakes out, minimum. Jones looked better than Darnold and Mayfield against a better defense. Down here in philly they are killing wentz for his pocket presence. Just pray for WR health. Yet people still keep on complaining about how the Giants should have drafted a QB. Lol
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Post by theproblem on Sept 15, 2020 10:44:35 GMT -5
I'm not going to give him too much crap for the first int. Looked like it was a quick 3 step drop to get the ball out fast. Watt just made a great defensive play. it happens. The second int though, he should have either ran it or tossed it away. He did have someone open in the back of the end zone briefly, but it looked like it was still going to be a very tough throw because there were a lot of defensive players in front of him and the DB wasn't that far behind that open receiver.
His ability to feel the pressure definitely needs work, but I still thought he had a decent game given the caliber defense he was up against.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Sept 15, 2020 10:46:23 GMT -5
This was Darnold’s 27th start. Mayfield’s 30th. Jones’ 13th. 64-ish% for over 300 yards. Used his legs well, and he may want to hone that part of his game. Two nice Tds, though one was in garbage time. And, 2 costly mistakes. He gets the year to iron the mistakes out, minimum. Jones looked better than Darnold and Mayfield against a better defense. Down here in philly they are killing wentz for his pocket presence. Just pray for WR health. Yet people still keep on complaining about how the Giants should have drafted a QB. Lol Still doesn't mean a RB was the right choice there. Remember Quentin Nelson was there for the taking and our line was shit then too.
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Post by SG88 on Sept 15, 2020 11:56:45 GMT -5
Yet people still keep on complaining about how the Giants should have drafted a QB. Lol Still doesn't mean a RB was the right choice there. Remember Quentin Nelson was there for the taking and our line was shit then too. Nelson was the player I wanted, but I don't sit here and hold a permanent grudge because they didn't do what I wanted them to do.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 15, 2020 12:18:20 GMT -5
I knew if he had over 30 attempts it'd mean we fell too far behind. 99% of the time I would agree with this statement but not in this case. Our RB ran for a total of 6 yards on 15 runs. Averaging over 0.4 yards / run (A little over a foot). It wouldn't have mattered if the Giants were up by 10, they still would have had to throw it more than 30 times....
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Post by jb456 on Sept 15, 2020 12:25:11 GMT -5
I thought he showed a lot tonight considering he had absolutely no running game to play action off of. He was pretty good the whole night on third down and showed a lot of fight. And I can’t really fault him for the first int. I thought that was just a great play by Watt. That said, the second int. killed them. The whole game felt different after that. He’ll learn. And will get better and better under Garrett. And I think it’s fair to say that Slayton is a number 1. WTH are you talking about? Barkley had 6 yards on 15 carries, he was lighting it up!With all seriousness, I think he gets a C for the game. If he didn't have that Int in the endzone, I would have given him a B+ / A-. I'm just getting sick of moral victories. I'm not asking for the world (Not making the playoffs) and knew it would be a rough start due to the new coaches / young players. This team eventually needs to win some farking games....
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Post by McCherry on Sept 15, 2020 12:28:22 GMT -5
I knew if he had over 30 attempts it'd mean we fell too far behind. 99% of the time I would agree with this statement but not in this case. Our RB ran for a total of 6 yards on 15 runs. Averaging over 0.4 yards / run (A little over a foot). It wouldn't have mattered if the Giants were up by 10, they still would have had to throw it more than 30 times.... My point was that we weren't winning the game if we couldn't run the ball and control the clock.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 15, 2020 12:32:56 GMT -5
99% of the time I would agree with this statement but not in this case. Our RB ran for a total of 6 yards on 15 runs. Averaging over 0.4 yards / run (A little over a foot). It wouldn't have mattered if the Giants were up by 10, they still would have had to throw it more than 30 times.... My point was that we weren't winning the game if we couldn't run the ball and control the clock. Alright, I can definitely get on board with that statement.
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Post by thetruth on Sept 15, 2020 12:37:20 GMT -5
Reminded me of Eli. Even the slide. Yikes. Eli would always throw a few nice dimes and then Eli it up. Jones did that today. Danny Dimes to Danny Nickles C range Yeah...he seems Eli 2.0. QBs can’t continue to have terrible plays. If so, he will lose more games for the Giants then win them. D. Still looks most like Nick Foles to me. Eli was much more aware in the pocket.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 12:38:53 GMT -5
Agreed And one can argue the defense actually made better plays than Jones being totally at fault on those 2 INTs.. On the first one, I agree. On the second one, in the future he needs to take a sack 100% of the time. Or throw it to the boundary out of bounds it was close and no one was there.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 12:45:13 GMT -5
This was Darnold’s 27th start. Mayfield’s 30th. Jones’ 13th. 64-ish% for over 300 yards. Used his legs well, and he may want to hone that part of his game. Two nice Tds, though one was in garbage time. And, 2 costly mistakes. He gets the year to iron the mistakes out, minimum. Jones looked better than Darnold and Mayfield against a better defense. Down here in philly they are killing wentz for his pocket presence. Just pray for WR health. It's funny how things change when protection breaks down Wence is used to decent protection. Jones never had it in college or the pro's he is used to getting hassled hit and chased while still making plays. Most QBs suffer from sustained pressure Dj isn't perfect but he figured out how to go 87 yards under pressure to bad he couldn't finish it. So far think DJ has shown more promise then either of them.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 15, 2020 12:47:56 GMT -5
99% of the time I would agree with this statement but not in this case. Our RB ran for a total of 6 yards on 15 runs. Averaging over 0.4 yards / run (A little over a foot). It wouldn't have mattered if the Giants were up by 10, they still would have had to throw it more than 30 times.... My point was that we weren't winning the game if we couldn't run the ball and control the clock. Steelers ganged up on the run game. They would show a light box DJ would audible and they would bring a couple guys down in the box to counter. This is a thing that will come where DJ can run the game from under center.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 15, 2020 12:52:05 GMT -5
This was Darnold’s 27th start. Mayfield’s 30th. Jones’ 13th. 64-ish% for over 300 yards. Used his legs well, and he may want to hone that part of his game. Two nice Tds, though one was in garbage time. And, 2 costly mistakes. He gets the year to iron the mistakes out, minimum. Jones looked better than Darnold and Mayfield against a better defense. Down here in philly they are killing wentz for his pocket presence. Just pray for WR health. It's funny how things change when protection breaks down Wence is used to decent protection. Jones never had it in college or the pro's he is used to getting hassled hit and chased while still making plays. Most QBs suffer from sustained pressure Dj isn't perfect but he figured out how to go 87 yards under pressure to bad he couldn't finish it. So far think DJ has shown more promise then either of them. Yeah, Wentz didn't look so good with no ol either. Very few QBs do.
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