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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 17, 2020 10:10:25 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 10:22:03 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 10:44:12 GMT -5
The media seems to hate anyone that treats them like the sad sack fools they are. Belichick, Trump, Gettelman are all examples. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 10:45:38 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume. I agree. There’s nothing controversial about talking about how great Wilson is. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 17, 2020 11:13:54 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume. "Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 17, 2020 11:18:18 GMT -5
The media seems to hate anyone that treats them like the sad sack fools they are. Belichick, Trump, Gettelman are all examples. Like Joe Friday, just the facts. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 11:29:54 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume. "Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. Which is why I think he is underrated. You ask most people who their top 5 QBs are and in some order you would get: Mahomes Brady Brees Rodgers Above him. And maybe him and Ben Roethlisburger when healthy gets the nod too. Hell, people might start putting Lamar Jackson above him soon. For me in 2020? Id say he is the #2 QB in the NFL. Mahomes being #1, but as you said, Mahomes has a much better arsenal around him. |
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 17, 2020 11:33:10 GMT -5
"Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. Which is why I think he is underrated. You ask most people who their top 5 QBs are and in some order you would get: Mahomes Brady Brees Rodgers Above him. And maybe him and Ben Roethlisburger when healthy gets the nod too. Hell, people might start putting Lamar Jackson above him soon. For me in 2020? Id say he is the #2 QB in the NFL. Mahomes being #1, but as you said, Mahomes has a much better arsenal around him. Not sure how he's "rated"...or by who. Everyone I talk to about NFL QB's all seem to think he's great.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 12:09:18 GMT -5
"Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. Which is why I think he is underrated. You ask most people who their top 5 QBs are and in some order you would get: Mahomes Brady Brees Rodgers Above him. And maybe him and Ben Roethlisburger when healthy gets the nod too. Hell, people might start putting Lamar Jackson above him soon. For me in 2020? Id say he is the #2 QB in the NFL. Mahomes being #1, but as you said, Mahomes has a much better arsenal around him. Most people would put those guys above him? That’s nuts. I’d give you Mahomes and maybe Rodgers being in the same group with him. No one else. |
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Post by Delicreep on Sept 17, 2020 13:40:58 GMT -5
Which is why I think he is underrated. You ask most people who their top 5 QBs are and in some order you would get: Mahomes Brady Brees Rodgers Above him. And maybe him and Ben Roethlisburger when healthy gets the nod too. Hell, people might start putting Lamar Jackson above him soon. For me in 2020? Id say he is the #2 QB in the NFL. Mahomes being #1, but as you said, Mahomes has a much better arsenal around him. Not sure how he's "rated"...or by who. Everyone I talk to about NFL QB's all seem to think he's great.
If you asked me Brady or Wilson, I might blurt out Brady...give me a second to ponder the answer, and I am going to take Wilson. Same for Brees Probably take Rodgers. That's it. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 14:07:08 GMT -5
Not sure how he's "rated"...or by who. Everyone I talk to about NFL QB's all seem to think he's great.
If you asked me Brady or Wilson, I might blurt out Brady...give me a second to ponder the answer, and I am going to take Wilson. Same for Brees Probably take Rodgers. That's it. You'd be surprised, or not, how much hype Brady still gets. And Brees. Obviously they are on their downsides, but people remember how good they are under pressure and in the clutch. Right now, top 3 for me, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 14:08:30 GMT -5
Which is why I think he is underrated. You ask most people who their top 5 QBs are and in some order you would get: Mahomes Brady Brees Rodgers Above him. And maybe him and Ben Roethlisburger when healthy gets the nod too. Hell, people might start putting Lamar Jackson above him soon. For me in 2020? Id say he is the #2 QB in the NFL. Mahomes being #1, but as you said, Mahomes has a much better arsenal around him. Most people would put those guys above him? That’s nuts. I’d give you Mahomes and maybe Rodgers being in the same group with him. No one else. I think so. After this year I think people will realize Brady and Brees just arent there anymore like they used to be. Especially Brady without Belichick. He is going to lose more games this season than he has in any of the 20 seasons with the Pats. |
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Post by SG88 on Sept 17, 2020 15:30:12 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume. "Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. Remember when people in TAGF actually thought that Eli Manning was better than Russell Wilson? Pepperidge Farm remembers. |
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 17, 2020 15:59:56 GMT -5
The media seems to hate anyone that treats them like the sad sack fools they are. Belichick, Trump, Gettelman are all examples. thats funny but also true.. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 17:24:08 GMT -5
If you asked me Brady or Wilson, I might blurt out Brady...give me a second to ponder the answer, and I am going to take Wilson. Same for Brees Probably take Rodgers. That's it. You'd be surprised, or not, how much hype Brady still gets. And Brees. Obviously they are on their downsides, but people remember how good they are under pressure and in the clutch. Right now, top 3 for me, Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers. As you say the media shapes perceptions far more than people realize. To me, those three are the only QBs that can carry a team. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 17:27:54 GMT -5
Most people would put those guys above him? That’s nuts. I’d give you Mahomes and maybe Rodgers being in the same group with him. No one else. I think so. After this year I think people will realize Brady and Brees just arent there anymore like they used to be. Especially Brady without Belichick. He is going to lose more games this season than he has in any of the 20 seasons with the Pats. What? Did that team just go into the crapper? They were practically a playoff last year, I don’t think there’s any way they’re not a playoff team with a better QB. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 17, 2020 17:56:44 GMT -5
I think so. After this year I think people will realize Brady and Brees just arent there anymore like they used to be. Especially Brady without Belichick. He is going to lose more games this season than he has in any of the 20 seasons with the Pats. What? Did that team just go into the crapper? They were practically a playoff last year, I don’t think there’s any way they’re not a playoff team with a better QB. I say 8-8. I dont think they are as good as people think. Kidna reminds me of the Eagles dream team. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 17, 2020 22:41:25 GMT -5
He isnt wrong. Wilson is underrated. He needs to get that 2nd ring though. Same with Aaron Rodgers. I know getting a ring is definitely a team thing, and the greatest QBs in the world cant do it themselves (Marino), but he needs that 2nd one on his resume. "Underrrated" is arguable. But it's certainly true that he's a great player. He and Mahommes are the two best QB's in football. I might give the nod to Wilson actually because he's had less around him. And he makes so few mistakes. Wilson to me has silently been an elite qb and pretty much since he started as a rookie. Probably your prototype for your new age modern qbs that would have been considered too small 10 years ago Mayfield Jackson Murray |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2020 23:28:10 GMT -5
What? Did that team just go into the crapper? They were practically a playoff last year, I don’t think there’s any way they’re not a playoff team with a better QB. I say 8-8. I dont think they are as good as people think. Kidna reminds me of the Eagles dream team. We'll see. I think they have a damn good defense, a real good OL and a much better QB. They got the tools and I think Brady brings things that can push that team. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 17, 2020 23:46:51 GMT -5
I say 8-8. I dont think they are as good as people think. Kidna reminds me of the Eagles dream team. We'll see. I think they have a damn good defense, a real good OL and a much better QB. They got the tools and I think Brady brings things that can push that team. Brady ma show flashes, but I think his physical tools are diminished enough that all the grizzled veterans savvy in the world may not matter. And they have surrounded him with as much talent as possible. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 18, 2020 6:05:02 GMT -5
I say 8-8. I dont think they are as good as people think. Kidna reminds me of the Eagles dream team. We'll see. I think they have a damn good defense, a real good OL and a much better QB. They got the tools and I think Brady brings things that can push that team. Did you know Winston threw for over 4040 yards and 22 TDs in 3 of his 5 seasons? Last year, he threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. YEs, he also gave the ball away a ton with his 30 INTs, but he made many huge plays in every game. Not sure Brady can duplicate that anymore. The last year or 2, the Belichick system allowed Tom to be a system QB, a smart game manager if you will. Bucs dont do that so it will be interesting to see him adapt. IF week 1 was any indication, he might not fair too well. By the way, Im not a big fan of Winston at all. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2020 6:33:27 GMT -5
Wilson is and has been on of the top 3 QBs in the league for years now.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 18, 2020 7:32:58 GMT -5
We'll see. I think they have a damn good defense, a real good OL and a much better QB. They got the tools and I think Brady brings things that can push that team. Did you know Winston threw for over 4040 yards and 22 TDs in 3 of his 5 seasons? Last year, he threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. YEs, he also gave the ball away a ton with his 30 INTs, but he made many huge plays in every game. Not sure Brady can duplicate that anymore. The last year or 2, the Belichick system allowed Tom to be a system QB, a smart game manager if you will. Bucs dont do that so it will be interesting to see him adapt. IF week 1 was any indication, he might not fair too well. By the way, Im not a big fan of Winston at all. Yes, I did. I don’t think that Winston is a better QB than Brady. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 18, 2020 7:42:56 GMT -5
Did you know Winston threw for over 4040 yards and 22 TDs in 3 of his 5 seasons? Last year, he threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. YEs, he also gave the ball away a ton with his 30 INTs, but he made many huge plays in every game. Not sure Brady can duplicate that anymore. The last year or 2, the Belichick system allowed Tom to be a system QB, a smart game manager if you will. Bucs dont do that so it will be interesting to see him adapt. IF week 1 was any indication, he might not fair too well. By the way, Im not a big fan of Winston at all. Yes, I did. I don’t think that Winston is a better QB than Brady. Saints letting spend time with Brees. Could be a great benefit for Winston when he gets back to it. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 18, 2020 7:43:34 GMT -5
Did you know Winston threw for over 4040 yards and 22 TDs in 3 of his 5 seasons? Last year, he threw for 5,109 yards and 33 TDs. YEs, he also gave the ball away a ton with his 30 INTs, but he made many huge plays in every game. Not sure Brady can duplicate that anymore. The last year or 2, the Belichick system allowed Tom to be a system QB, a smart game manager if you will. Bucs dont do that so it will be interesting to see him adapt. IF week 1 was any indication, he might not fair too well. By the way, Im not a big fan of Winston at all. Yes, I did. I don’t think that Winston is a better QB than Brady. I think Brady took a big step back the last year or 2, combine that with leaving NE, he might not be as productive as Winston was for that team. Obviously Brady is a much better QB than Winston, but the productivity might not be there for wins. (Unless the defense is going to be a great defense as you think). The Saints nearly dropped 40 on them. |
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