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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 30, 2020 10:28:48 GMT -5
I havent watched much of Arizona, besides occasionally on RedZone, but I did see something interesting today. Apparently Simmons has not looked good so far and not as impactful as a lot of people around here thought he would be. Looking at the stat line he only has 5 tackles after three games and hasnt been great in coverage, doesnt look nearly as fast as he did in college. Now that may be due to the rookie being hesitant early on or the speed of the NFL is just that much faster than in College. Both could also be true.
I was never in favor of the Giants taking him at 4 but I know a decent amount of people around here thought he would be the savior of this defense.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 30, 2020 10:36:25 GMT -5
He perfectly recreated Dobbins long TD run against on Moestet's long TD pass..
I think he has already been benched
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Post by SG88 on Sept 30, 2020 11:43:22 GMT -5
He is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is why several teams passed on the opportunity to draft him where he was projected. He is still a rookie with plenty of room for improvement.
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 30, 2020 11:53:14 GMT -5
He is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is why several teams passed on the opportunity to draft him where he was projected. He is still a rookie with plenty of room for improvement. That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas.
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Post by TCHOF on Sept 30, 2020 12:02:34 GMT -5
He's getting about 10 snaps per game on defense
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 30, 2020 12:04:08 GMT -5
After three games there is no way to know. Should we have given up on Justin Tuck because he did next to nothing in his first two seasons? Now we're talking three games?
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Post by JoeyCush on Sept 30, 2020 12:26:45 GMT -5
After three games there is no way to know. Should we have given up on Justin Tuck because he did next to nothing in his first two seasons? Now we're talking three games? Im sorry, when did I say the Cardinals should give up on him? Also, to your Justin Tuck comparison. Tuck was a third round draft pick. Simmons was 8th overall. He should be playing every snap.
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Post by TEM on Sept 30, 2020 14:59:51 GMT -5
I was not a fan of his. Because he played more corner than anything and he was called a LB . But He had no adjustment period to the speed of the NFL game. That is not his fault. That takes time to get into sync with. Not having an offseason will affect rookies.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 30, 2020 16:25:19 GMT -5
Im happy we took Thomas over him. I would have also been happy with Wills who apparently looks decent so far in Cleveland
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 30, 2020 16:40:02 GMT -5
Im happy we took Thomas over him. I would have also been happy with Wills who apparently looks decent so far in Cleveland Other than Young, I would have been pretty pissed off had we not picked one of the 4 OT's. Personally, I liked Thomas the best of them, but would have been fine with any. My preference was Thomas, Wills, Wirfs, Becton.
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 1, 2020 7:02:28 GMT -5
He is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is why several teams passed on the opportunity to draft him where he was projected. He is still a rookie with plenty of room for improvement. That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. He'd probably excel if put on an established defense with strong units, and put in situationally.
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Post by JoeyCush on Oct 1, 2020 8:20:10 GMT -5
That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. He'd probably excel if put on an established defense with strong units, and put in situationally. I agree. He has the skillset to make a good defense even better because he can do multiple things. But I still dont see anything he is "great" at. The Giants were not and are not a team that could have utilized him. So happy he wasnt the pick at 4.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 13, 2020 12:09:07 GMT -5
After three games there is no way to know. Should we have given up on Justin Tuck because he did next to nothing in his first two seasons? Now we're talking three games? Well Tuck was a later draft choice and anytime he was in the game he made a decent play. Whether it be pressure, a tackle or a sack. He was a good rotational piece prior to 07' Plus I believe he came into the league with Injury issues he had to work pass if I remember correctly
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Post by lexington11 on Oct 13, 2020 18:56:45 GMT -5
He is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is why several teams passed on the opportunity to draft him where he was projected. He is still a rookie with plenty of room for improvement. That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. because thomas isnt a mistake at this point? worst starting LT in football. can't do anything consistently well, and certainly doesn't excel in any area 5 games in. a turnstyle thus far, gave up 9 pressures sunday including the one that led to the fumble. your comment holds no water.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 13, 2020 20:12:11 GMT -5
He is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is why several teams passed on the opportunity to draft him where he was projected. He is still a rookie with plenty of room for improvement. That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 13, 2020 20:15:16 GMT -5
That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. because thomas isnt a mistake at this point? worst starting LT in football. can't do anything consistently well, and certainly doesn't excel in any area 5 games in. a turnstyle thus far, gave up 9 pressures sunday including the one that led to the fumble. your comment holds no water. Dude is 5 games in and Tackle is tough position to master Giants did the right thing Thomas will be fine.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 13, 2020 20:18:11 GMT -5
That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts. Both Queen and Murray are so far Its the instincts.. Which is why I have Parsons the top LB in the 2021 dract.. When you see a linebacker where the ball is before the guy gets there run or pass it tells me tbe guy has rare instincts. You could be a slow poke (FWIW Parsons has prototypical good NFL athleticism)but if you have instincts like that you will be great.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 13, 2020 20:24:15 GMT -5
Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts. Both Queen and Murray are so far Its the instincts.. Which is why I have Parsons the top LB in the 2021 dract.. When you see a linebacker where the ball is before the guy gets there run or pass it tells me tbe guy has rare instincts. You could be a slow poke (FWIW Parsons has prototypical good NFL athleticism)but if you have instincts like that you will be great. Giants had a few like that AP was slow thats why he went undrafted out of AZ Skins had some injuries at LB he got a chance to start and showed his Smarts and instincts next year he was a free agent and the Giants pounced.
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Post by JoeyCush on Oct 14, 2020 8:14:45 GMT -5
That was giantlegacy and my thought before the draft and a reason we did not want the Giants to take him at 4. He is well versatile and can be plugged in many different roles but I dont believe he excels in one particular area. Would have been a huge mistake to take him over Thomas. Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts. Just boggles my mind though that the Cardinals cant find a spot for him on defense right now. Guy is seeing less than 20% of their snaps on defense.
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Post by JoeyCush on Oct 14, 2020 8:17:19 GMT -5
Both Queen and Murray are so far Its the instincts.. Which is why I have Parsons the top LB in the 2021 dract.. When you see a linebacker where the ball is before the guy gets there run or pass it tells me tbe guy has rare instincts. You could be a slow poke (FWIW Parsons has prototypical good NFL athleticism)but if you have instincts like that you will be great. Giants had a few like that AP was slow thats why he went undrafted out of AZ Skins had some injuries at LB he got a chance to start and showed his Smarts and instincts next year he was a free agent and the Giants pounced. Which is why I was a huge fan of Connelly. I thought he was really instinctive. The few games I saw him play at Wisconsin and the small sample size we saw while he was here. He wasnt the most flashly guy, but his first step was usually in the right direction. Maybe the ACL really did ruin his chances, sucks that we will never know,
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2020 8:26:24 GMT -5
Giants had a few like that AP was slow thats why he went undrafted out of AZ Skins had some injuries at LB he got a chance to start and showed his Smarts and instincts next year he was a free agent and the Giants pounced. Which is why I was a huge fan of Connelly. I thought he was really instinctive. The few games I saw him play at Wisconsin and the small sample size we saw while he was here. He wasnt the most flashly guy, but his first step was usually in the right direction. Maybe the ACL really did ruin his chances, sucks that we will never know, I liked him to, but I am happy with where were at with LB I like what Crowder has done so far Connely isn't getting any time with minnie yet don' t like that were beat up on the outside. Really this is the best our LBs have been in years going back to AP we even had enough depth to handle the loss of Carter and Xman something we haven't been able to say for years.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 14, 2020 8:28:58 GMT -5
Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts. Just boggles my mind though that the Cardinals cant find a spot for him on defense right now. Guy is seeing less than 20% of their snaps on defense. They gotta find a base for him get him good at that and then build from there wether it is inside or out pro game and defensive playbook can be much different then college.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 14, 2020 12:52:24 GMT -5
Think Patrick Queen is having a bigger impact for the Ravens they got him a little later and he is making plays. Same type of player versatile just not as big or athletic. But maybe better instincts. Just boggles my mind though that the Cardinals cant find a spot for him on defense right now. Guy is seeing less than 20% of their snaps on defense. Which is exactly why you don't take this guy in the top 10,let alone at 4 Yet there are still fools that have posted on here that think we would be 3-1 if we took him over Thomas
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Post by JoeyCush on Oct 14, 2020 12:54:52 GMT -5
Just boggles my mind though that the Cardinals cant find a spot for him on defense right now. Guy is seeing less than 20% of their snaps on defense. Which is exactly why you don't take this guy in the top 10,let alone at 4 Yet there are still fools that have posted on here that think we would be 3-1 if we took him over Thomas We would be at LEAST 2-2 if we had drafted Simmons and started Fleming and Peart at the tackle positions. (sarcasm)
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