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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 4, 2020 22:49:30 GMT -5
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Overall a pretty good showing for the Giants. The defense did nearly all they could to keep the team in the game and the offense looking pretty much exactly as it has for the past 6 or 7 seasons did nearly all they could to keep the Rams in the game. Ultimately it become too much and the D let up a 4th quarter TD that was the difference.
Giants Defense: B+
After a lackluster start immediately giving up an 8 minute 70yd TD drive. But then they showed up. I liked the effort from the DL and the front 7. They did a good job of making the job of the secondary easier. Overall, noting to be ashamed of, they made one very big stops early in the game to keep it as close as it was. Any better offense paired with that effort likely yields a W.
Giants Offense: D
Fits and starts and some good plays and then of course some drive killers. It's amazing, completely different personnel, coaches etc and yet this offense looks unchanged over the past 6 or 7 years. It was nice being in the game up until the end but I doubt any of you - I certainly wasn't - was expecting a W. Too many mistakes, too many missed assignments and too little too late.
Special Teams: C-
Neither terrible nor great. Gave back a little too much in return yards for my liking.
Coaching: C+
Looked similar to the defense the Patriots used against LA in the SB. The Rams are a very good team and the Giants played them well. Of the team's four losses, this one felt the most constructive to me. As sad a statement as that is. ROOSEVELT
Like last week, I didn't watch the entire game, but I did see the Rams opening score. Was that Love who screwed up leaving Kupp free for that TD?
I then caught the action late in the 3rd quarter and was pleasantly surprised to see the Giants still in the game. This team looked like the team I saw in week 1 and 2.
Tate is garbage, and Engram should not be extended.
MOREHEAD STATE
OFFENSE: CI know 9 points should call for a worse grade but I really think Daniel Jones played a good game. This offense has NO ability to stretch the field. They do nothing down field. But I thought Jones was by far, the best player on the offense. I think of one play...a play that actually didn't count because of a penalty. But he was sacked from behind and carries the defender about 4 yards before he went down. The kid has "IT". He just needs players around him. But the WR's are terrible. We are as bad as the Jets at that position. We stink at the WR position....and it's killing us. Tate is a nightmare. Honestly, I think we'd be better just cutting him and getting some younger players on the field.
DEFENSE: A-When you hold the Rams to 17 points in their stadium that is a great accomplishment. It wasn't due to a lot of unforced errors by LA. It was a solid, tenacious effort. Bradberry had another great game. They pressured the QB well and stopped the run well. Great effort by the defense. ST's: BNo problems and nothing great. COACHING: A-Coaching is more than just game decisions. They had this defense ready to play. The staff gets the most from an undermanned team. Our talent level is near the bottom of the league. GAME BALL:
That goes to DJ. Despite the poor decision at the end, he carried this offense. Again, I get that 9 points is bad. But we have NOTHING other than Jones on offense. God help us if we ruin this kid's career by giving him little to work with. GAME TIME
The Giants are not good enough to overcome their mistakes. Especially on offense. On a handful of plays, when the do the replay, from the QB's point of view, not one receiver was open. Rams playing straight up man and Giants receivers are doing nothing to get open. Jones has zero options.
With that said Jones digs his hole deeper and deeper each week. If he winds up being a bust it will be from turnovers. The rest of his game is really very good more times than not.
Offense: D This team cannot get in the end zone. They are terrible at that. WRs are invisible. I was a fan of Slayton but now even he is meh. Jones gives you just enough to say yeah this kid is going to get it and be good then he throws ANOTHER pick!! I cant defend him any more with the turnovers. Even if he is unfairly having to carry the offense he has to stop giving the damn ball away. The run game was better for sure so that was good to see but overall they have almost nothing working for them with any consistency. The TE and WR lack of production/talent is pathetic. Add in the Jones turnovers every game and you have 0-4. Costly penalties today as well.
Defense: B They did a really nice job on the Rams offense today. Some pressure, hits, good stops and great effort overall. They gave the offense a chance and they squandered it. Fackrel and Martinez had good games. The DL had a good game too. Golden making a little noise in his limited action.
Austin Johnson!! Who!! Forced fumble, sack and another pressure!!
Coaching: B They didnt get out coached today and the D was ready to play. Still like Judge and realize he is a rookie HC. Its a work in progress but one that I feel is headed in the right direction. Judge trying to get his team of the shnide is going to be a tough task.
STs: B All ok there except for the one KO that the Rams took to the 40. Gano has been good.
Game Ball: I think I give it to Coach Graham the DC and Austin Johnson.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 4, 2020 23:01:01 GMT -5
Oline improved and with it the running game, defense played really well. They came out and played a competitive game against a very good team. All I wanted was competitive today and they delivered - now I just need to see it consistently and carry over into winning later in the season.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 4, 2020 23:08:40 GMT -5
Oline improved and with it the running game, defense played really well. They came out and played a competitive game against a very good team. All I wanted was competitive today and they delivered - now I just need to see it consistently and carry over into winning later in the season. The O came up small. The run game was ok. WRs and TEs have little skill to even get open. Jones gives away another one. |
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Oct 4, 2020 23:12:44 GMT -5
Garrett was an awful hire as OC.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 4, 2020 23:14:03 GMT -5
Oline improved and with it the running game, defense played really well. They came out and played a competitive game against a very good team. All I wanted was competitive today and they delivered - now I just need to see it consistently and carry over into winning later in the season. The O came up small. The run game was ok. WRs and TEs have little skill to even get open. Jones gives away another one. I was trying to be a glass half full kind of person for once with this team haha. Agreed, the offense was largely disappointing. The turnover at the end almost felt scripted as its all to familiar in these situations as of late. I was encouraged by the improvement on the oline a bit simply just because of what they went up against, hey even if its just minor i'lll take any form of improvement at this point! Really, looking forward to seeing what this offense looks like by seasons end. |
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Post by yoho on Oct 4, 2020 23:14:10 GMT -5
The Giants are one of if not the youngest squads in the league. There is a lack of talent in some places, but because of the youth their bigger issue is lack of education, knowing keys, being able to play fast because you are familiar with the system. The coaching staff is doing the best they can with what they have, and I expect that this will be a much different team at the end of the season regardless of what the record ends up being. I'm not sure Gettleman deserves to be kept around, but the Flacerell, Martinez, Bradberry, and Ryan moves look like they are all impact players. Engram should be traded to some team that thinks they can do something with this guy who has a WR body and speed trying to play TE. It's not working! DJ will be fine after the O-line gels, right now he has to do too much. Eventually that will change.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 4, 2020 23:21:18 GMT -5
The O came up small. The run game was ok. WRs and TEs have little skill to even get open. Jones gives away another one. for once with this team haha. Agreed, the offense was largely disappointing. The turnover at the end almost felt scripted as its all to familiar in these situations as of late. I was encouraged by the improvement on the oline a bit simply just because of what they went up against, hey even if its just minor i'lll take any form of improvement at this point! Really, looking forward to seeing what this offense looks like by seasons end. I usually am too. Its tough at times |
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Post by Dogecoin on Oct 5, 2020 6:05:42 GMT -5
Defense needs to find ways to create turnovers. "solid" is good but not enough especially with this offense. Will probably have to wait until next year for that to happen.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 5, 2020 6:19:12 GMT -5
I agree with Morehead that we really need to start incorporating some downfield plays. Hopefully the improvement on the O Line continues, opening up our running game, and allowing for a more diverse offense than we've seen. I was very impressed with the defenses' showing, and ma hopeful that we have better days coming on our near horizon.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 5, 2020 8:34:27 GMT -5
I agree with Morehead that we really need to start incorporating some downfield plays. Hopefully the improvement on the O Line continues, opening up our running game, and allowing for a more diverse offense than we've seen. I was very impressed with the defenses' showing, and ma hopeful that we have better days coming on our near horizon. Too many plays when it seems Jones has time there is no one open. No roll out to make something happen while he just sits in the pocket. Not terrible but he's got to move and the WRs/TEs need to get their asses in gear and get open. This is on short to medium routes. Have no idea how they will get the long plays to actually work. I am not exonerating Jones of his flaws just pointing out that young QB is being asked to carry an O with a limited run game and recovers that are not helping much at all. Mix that in with multiple turnovers and you have 0-4. Jones also missed a few yesterday too. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 5, 2020 9:21:20 GMT -5
Coaching was not good. I'm seeing mostly criticism for Judge's decision to punt from the 48 in the fourth quarter ended the game for us. Garrett's play-calling was horrendous. As much as I've defended Jones for the interception, he played badly in this game, throwing high all day, overthrowing Tate on a 4th-11. Staring down Ratley on the game-ending INT. I give credit for Judge getting the team to rebound from last week, but his in-game adjustments and decisions have been terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 9:30:27 GMT -5
Garrett was an awful hire as OC. It's starting to look that way.. It's also tough to make this group look good so maybe we are being unfair. It does seem like the 2nd half adjustments are better at least they were in two of the games.. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 5, 2020 9:34:23 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 9:38:28 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. That's what I saw also.. Still would be nice to have a player of OBJs ability opposite Slayton.. |
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Post by jaymas on Oct 5, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. I was listening to the game on the radio at the time, but didn't he get crushed from his blindside on the fumble? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 5, 2020 9:52:45 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. I was listening to the game on the radio at the time, but didn't he get crushed from his blindside on the fumble? He did. but I think he was holding the football like a loaf of bread. There was a defender at his feet swiping, he needs to protect the ball when he isnt throwing it. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 5, 2020 10:08:28 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. Big A, your on the money. But Jones seems to be all alone out there at times. The OL did a much better job than I thought coming into the game. At least some improvement in the run game. Don't have much to work with in pass game. Boy pointing out 6 FG's in 8 Qtrs. If that isn't cold water in your face. In 4 games do we even have 4 TD's ? The offense is non existence. The defense really surprised me they played with heart and effort and was more than successful. Held the Rams to less than half the pts I thought they were going to score. Shut the Ram run game down, that's they're bread and butter. As pathetic as this sounds I was so glad we were competitive at the end of the game. I know no moral wins but I'm taking one anyway. Hopefully we can build confidence from this game and build on that. That's what I'm doing today. |
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Post by Jomo on Oct 5, 2020 10:30:18 GMT -5
I had to go back and found out how Austin Johnson landed here and why someone would let a guy that athletic get away at such a young age.
I think we found ourselves a very good one there.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 5, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. Well put it this way....He's the only guy making plays right now. No one else is doing a damned thing. |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 5, 2020 10:38:57 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. making mistakes is one thing. and being really one of the only players on the O making anything happen is another thing. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 5, 2020 10:42:54 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it. Well put it this way....He's the only guy making plays right now. No one else is doing a damned thing. Gallman had a good game running the ball. Averaged over 7 yards per carry. |
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Post by GameTime on Oct 5, 2020 10:47:39 GMT -5
Well put it this way....He's the only guy making plays right now. No one else is doing a damned thing. Gallman had a good game running the ball. Averaged over 7 yards per carry. wasnt sure why they did give to the "hot hand" more |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 5, 2020 10:52:56 GMT -5
@pff_Giants
Cam Fleming is the highest graded player for the Giants offense against the Rams, and is the highest graded OL for the team through 4 games.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 5, 2020 10:55:55 GMT -5
@pff_Giants
Cam Fleming is the highest graded player for the Giants offense against the Rams, and is the highest graded OL for the team through 4 games.
The only way to explain this is gunnervillage graded the game. |
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 5, 2020 11:00:32 GMT -5
@pff_Giants
Cam Fleming is the highest graded player for the Giants offense against the Rams, and is the highest graded OL for the team through 4 games.
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 5, 2020 11:02:47 GMT -5
Goff said post game that his offense played poorly as opposed to giving the Giants defense credit.
For those who saw this entire game, which was it?
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Post by Roosevelt on Oct 5, 2020 11:05:55 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it.
Granted it wasn't a great throw by Jones but I give the DB a lot of credit on that pick. That was an amazing grab.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 5, 2020 11:07:25 GMT -5
I keep hearing "carried the offense". How are you carrying an offense who only scored 6 FGs the past 8 Qs? I didnt think Jones had a good game at all. IT was against a tougher D, but come on. He missed some wide open receivers. He fumbled again. And his game sealing INT at the end was all on him. The pass should have been more to the outside. He allowed the DB to jump it.
Granted it wasn't a great throw by Jones but I give the DB a lot of credit on that pick. That was an amazing grab.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 5, 2020 11:10:22 GMT -5
Goff said post game that his offense played poorly as opposed to giving the Giants defense credit. For those who saw this entire game, which was it? It’s a mix. Watching the game, especially the first drive the Rams converted five 3rd downs. Then, it’s like they took their foot off the pedal. They had mental mistakes, poor decisions. They played like our offense. But, credit to the defense. They contained their running game, only allowed Goff 158 yards in the air. The back breaking touchdown was a miscue by the “tackling machine” Julian Love. Overall, we didn’t lose the game due to our defense. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 5, 2020 11:11:18 GMT -5
Goff said post game that his offense played poorly as opposed to giving the Giants defense credit. For those who saw this entire game, which was it? I thought the D played a solid game, and successfully (mostly) put Goff out of his comfort zone. |
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