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Post by Kruunch on Oct 9, 2020 8:58:57 GMT -5
So basically, this is a Daniel Jones excuse thread. Great, now we can isolate it and keep it in one place. Put a 100 yard barbed wire fence around it, a moat, and some guard towers to make sure no one gets in or out. There are reasons and there are excuses. Both are being sited but there is a big difference. There are legit reasons he is struggling. Some are solely on him and some aren't. That’s fair. Just can’t stand when it’s everyone else’s fault but the quarterbacks. I dealt with that for 15 years with Eli. I sure as shit won’t do that again for Daniel spare me some dimes Jones..
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Post by GameTime on Oct 9, 2020 9:21:10 GMT -5
There are reasons and there are excuses. Both are being sited but there is a big difference. There are legit reasons he is struggling. Some are solely on him and some aren't. That’s fair. Just can’t stand when it’s everyone else’s fault but the quarterbacks. I dealt with that for 15 years with Eli. I sure as shit won’t do that again for Daniel spare me some dimes Jones.. yeah I hear you and thats why I try to differentiate between the two .
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Post by OrangeGiant on Oct 9, 2020 9:33:35 GMT -5
That 19 play 9 minute drive against Pittsburgh is kind of a microcosm of Daniel Jones play. I was literally about to type in the game thread what an epic drive that was by Jones, and then he throws the pick. That drive probably ended up deciding the game to some degree, it was definitely deflating.
DJ does a lot of good things, and then he does something bad that over shadows the good. He has had the opportunity to make plays and hasn't made them. It makes it hard to judge him, however, when you look at the weapons (lack of) he has. That has to be part of the consideration, but it also doesn't excuse him from some of the bad plays he had made.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 9:42:12 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm never going to read long "wall of text" posts. IMO, lazy posters equal lazy thoughts and logic. Seriously, is it too hard to hit a return key twice occasionally? It's literally the biggest key on most keyboards. For a reason. There’s plenty of posts worse than mine out there. I guess you don’t read them either....which is cool...who gives a shit? Right? But, you feel the need to make a stupid comment instead of saying to yourself, “I’m not participating in this one” and moving on. Let me break the news to you... nobody is impressed with what you just did. Get Sum Devil Dog!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 11:05:19 GMT -5
There are reasons and there are excuses. Both are being sited but there is a big difference. There are legit reasons he is struggling. Some are solely on him and some aren't. That’s fair. Just can’t stand when it’s everyone else’s fault but the quarterbacks. I dealt with that for 15 years with Eli. I sure as shit won’t do that again for Daniel spare me some dimes Jones.. Here’s what I’ve been thinking...it’s ridiculous how people will watch this team’s individual squads make mistake after mistake, but when D.J. finally throws an INT after breaking his ass nearly half the game...it’s suddenly all his fault. That’s how a lot of people are acting around here. The bottom line is Jones is a do-er. He will make plays and he will make mistakes but don’t say he’s a crap QB and cost us the game. The sorry ass WRs contributed to that even more in my opinion. They suck.
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Post by ocgiant on Oct 9, 2020 11:37:41 GMT -5
-Eli thread from a few years ago In comparison to the team okay I see your point, but I will say DJ has more mobility than Eli at this point in their careers Regardless, my point is if he does not improve through the rest of the season, then your Trevor Lawrence rationale will gain relevance Unfortunaltely, it make come down to draft order and the Giants may never get the chance to draft him
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 9, 2020 11:54:09 GMT -5
-Eli thread from a few years ago In comparison to the team okay I see your point, but I will say DJ has more mobility than Eli at this point in their careers Regardless, my point is if he does not improve through the rest of the season, then your Trevor Lawrence rationale will gain relevance Unfortunaltely, it make come down to draft order and the Giants may never get the chance to draft him Jones has much better natural accuracy than Eli as well
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Post by TheAnalyst on Oct 9, 2020 12:15:56 GMT -5
-Eli thread from a few years ago In comparison to the team okay I see your point, but I will say DJ has more mobility than Eli at this point in their careers Regardless, my point is if he does not improve through the rest of the season, then your Trevor Lawrence rationale will gain relevance Unfortunaltely, it make come down to draft order and the Giants may never get the chance to draft him Absolutely.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 9, 2020 13:38:38 GMT -5
That’s fair. Just can’t stand when it’s everyone else’s fault but the quarterbacks. I dealt with that for 15 years with Eli. I sure as shit won’t do that again for Daniel spare me some dimes Jones.. Here’s what I’ve been thinking...it’s ridiculous how people will watch this team’s individual squads make mistake after mistake, but when D.J. finally throws an INT after breaking his ass nearly half the game...it’s suddenly all his fault. That’s how a lot of people are acting around here. The bottom line is Jones is a do-er. He will make plays and he will make mistakes but don’t say he’s a crap QB and cost us the game. The sorry ass WRs contributed to that even more in my opinion. They suck. Wait a second. So when Jones makes a mistake it’s acceptable? Because he’s “breaking his ass.” And he’s a “doer.” But a receiver does the same he sucks? How bout this, treat all players the same. I know everyone has their favorites, but bottom line the team trumps individuals. If Jones makes a mistake, and he’s made plenty of them. We say our piece and move on. And the same goes for the other 52 players. Except for Downs, because he sucks..
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Post by jimmieray on Oct 9, 2020 14:02:57 GMT -5
Here’s what I’ve been thinking...it’s ridiculous how people will watch this team’s individual squads make mistake after mistake, but when D.J. finally throws an INT after breaking his ass nearly half the game...it’s suddenly all his fault. That’s how a lot of people are acting around here. The bottom line is Jones is a do-er. He will make plays and he will make mistakes but don’t say he’s a crap QB and cost us the game. The sorry ass WRs contributed to that even more in my opinion. They suck. Wait a second. So when Jones makes a mistake it’s acceptable? Because he’s “breaking his ass.” And he’s a “doer.” But a receiver does the same he sucks? How bout this, treat all players the same. I know everyone has their favorites, but bottom line the team trumps individuals. If Jones makes a mistake, and he’s made plenty of them. We say our piece and move on. And the same goes for the other 52 players. Except for Downs, because he sucks.. Well, to fair we do have to acknowledge the QB has the most to deal with - athletically and decision making, with several rather large men bearing down on them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 15:26:25 GMT -5
Here’s what I’ve been thinking...it’s ridiculous how people will watch this team’s individual squads make mistake after mistake, but when D.J. finally throws an INT after breaking his ass nearly half the game...it’s suddenly all his fault. That’s how a lot of people are acting around here. The bottom line is Jones is a do-er. He will make plays and he will make mistakes but don’t say he’s a crap QB and cost us the game. The sorry ass WRs contributed to that even more in my opinion. They suck. Wait a second. So when Jones makes a mistake it’s acceptable? Because he’s “breaking his ass.” And he’s a “doer.” But a receiver does the same he sucks? How bout this, treat all players the same. I know everyone has their favorites, but bottom line the team trumps individuals. If Jones makes a mistake, and he’s made plenty of them. We say our piece and move on. And the same goes for the other 52 players. Except for Downs, because he sucks.. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I personally believe when push comes to shove, Jones makes his mistakes but his decision making is pretty solid. ALL QBs have their INTs. Jones plays really, really well for the most part. I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for 60 minutes of shit football. Not when we can easily blame guys like Engram and Tate, etc,etc.Their incompetence is far more hindering and apparent don’t you think?
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 9, 2020 16:11:33 GMT -5
Wait a second. So when Jones makes a mistake it’s acceptable? Because he’s “breaking his ass.” And he’s a “doer.” But a receiver does the same he sucks? How bout this, treat all players the same. I know everyone has their favorites, but bottom line the team trumps individuals. If Jones makes a mistake, and he’s made plenty of them. We say our piece and move on. And the same goes for the other 52 players. Except for Downs, because he sucks.. Maybe you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I personally believe when push comes to shove, Jones makes his mistakes but his decision making is pretty solid. ALL QBs have their INTs. Jones plays really, really well for the most part. I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for 60 minutes of shit football. Not when we can easily blame guys like Engram and Tate, etc,etc.Their incompetence is far more hindering and apparent don’t you think? Who’s blaming him for shit football? Last time I checked It’s a team effort. You lose as a team, and win as a team. And I get your point, it’s not exactly star-studded with our roster. And granted, he’s making more plays with his legs than his arm this year. Which is great if you’re Michael Vick.. And his receivers have let him down, with drops. But, look at his most glaring weakness. Turnovers.. In 17 games he has 21 fumbles and 17 interceptions. That’s 38 times he either has thrown the ball to the opponent, or coughed up the ball. That’s unacceptable, no matter what year you are in. That has to get fixed period.. Look, I’m not here to shit on his parade, or say trade him for a bag of footballs. But, criticism should be fair across the board.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 9, 2020 16:13:02 GMT -5
In comparison to the team okay I see your point, but I will say DJ has more mobility than Eli at this point in their careers Regardless, my point is if he does not improve through the rest of the season, then your Trevor Lawrence rationale will gain relevance Unfortunaltely, it make come down to draft order and the Giants may never get the chance to draft him Jones has much better natural accuracy than Eli as well If we are going to boil it down to one parameter and that parameter is accuracy, there is no comparison........Jones is the clear winner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 16:46:40 GMT -5
Maybe you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. I personally believe when push comes to shove, Jones makes his mistakes but his decision making is pretty solid. ALL QBs have their INTs. Jones plays really, really well for the most part. I don’t think it’s fair to blame him for 60 minutes of shit football. Not when we can easily blame guys like Engram and Tate, etc,etc.Their incompetence is far more hindering and apparent don’t you think? Who’s blaming him for shit football? Last time I checked It’s a team effort. You lose as a team, and win as a team. And I get your point, it’s not exactly star-studded with our roster. And granted, he’s making more plays with his legs than his arm this year. Which is great if you’re Michael Vick.. And his receivers have let him down, with drops. But, look at his most glaring weakness. Turnovers.. In 17 games he has 21 fumbles and 17 interceptions. That’s 38 times he either has thrown the ball to the opponent, or coughed up the ball. That’s unacceptable, no matter what year you are in. That has to get fixed period.. Look, I’m not here to shit on his parade, or say trade him for a bag of footballs. But, criticism should be fair across the board. It’s all good...but just read some of these posts. People are blaming him 100% for us being what we are. Unfair. Not when you have Engram dropping almost every pass every down, Tate dropping every pass on every down, Jones throws an INT one pass on one down and it’s the end of the world. We are in a bottomless pit of losing but I think it’s pretty fair to say that Jones has a smaller part in it.
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Post by southerner on Oct 10, 2020 9:42:31 GMT -5
All I see is people talking about who is good, who is not good....especially about that damn WR squad. Look, it’s like this....nobody is scoring. Slayton is the only one remotely contributing to that factor. I don’t see Shepard putting any points on the board. Tate? I don’t even want to get started on that. Engram? That’s a sore subject on it’s own. Why is it so hard to figure out? Why do guys keep analyzing this crap over and over again trying to find something we missed? Guys, we didn’t miss anything. Our WRs are not good. They are shit. Our running backs are shit as well. The offensive skill positions are filled by nothing but a bunch of #3 players at best. The numbers prove it. Stop acting like Jones has something to work with, because he doesn’t. Everybody is down on Jones for the INTs. That’s crap guys. How many times does he move our crippled asses down the field. Good things happen with him leading our team and all some of you can think about is how our WRs contribute and how wonderful it would be if Shepard was back healthy. What the hell games are y’all watching? Daniel Jones needs ballers and despite the fact the the oline is shitty still, it’s a tad bit better than last year and if we had some friggin ballers, we would have BEEN scored a bunch of times already! We keep Jones! Jones goes nowhere, period! Somebody needs to learn how to sign talent at the skill positions. That’s my rant. You are right and after this season Engram, Tate and Shepard will all be gone. The Giants can find free agent and college players that are easily as good, for one quarter the price. It already appears that Kaden Smith is taking over the TE duties for the Giants.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 10, 2020 11:43:29 GMT -5
All I see is people talking about who is good, who is not good....especially about that damn WR squad. Look, it’s like this....nobody is scoring. Slayton is the only one remotely contributing to that factor. I don’t see Shepard putting any points on the board. Tate? I don’t even want to get started on that. Engram? That’s a sore subject on it’s own. Why is it so hard to figure out? Why do guys keep analyzing this crap over and over again trying to find something we missed? Guys, we didn’t miss anything. Our WRs are not good. They are shit. Our running backs are shit as well. The offensive skill positions are filled by nothing but a bunch of #3 players at best. The numbers prove it. Stop acting like Jones has something to work with, because he doesn’t. Everybody is down on Jones for the INTs. That’s crap guys. How many times does he move our crippled asses down the field. Good things happen with him leading our team and all some of you can think about is how our WRs contribute and how wonderful it would be if Shepard was back healthy. What the hell games are y’all watching? Daniel Jones needs ballers and despite the fact the the oline is shitty still, it’s a tad bit better than last year and if we had some friggin ballers, we would have BEEN scored a bunch of times already! We keep Jones! Jones goes nowhere, period! Somebody needs to learn how to sign talent at the skill positions. That’s my rant. You are right and after this season Engram, Tate and Shepard will all be gone. The Giants can find free agent and college players that are easily as good, for one quarter the price. It already appears that Kaden Smith is taking over the TE duties for the Giants. what are the cap implications of Shep and Engram? Also Engram has twice as many snaps as Smith. How is apparent that Smith is taking over at TE? I am all for giving him a shot but your assessment is off.
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