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Post by jmike on Oct 26, 2020 15:12:43 GMT -5
Geez and I was hard stuck on who the better pick would be Barkley or Darnold in that draft. It is like predicting the future performance of these young players is really hard to do. Are you suggesting posters stop offering opinions... due to how hard it is? No, just something to keep in mind with all these "lock" "guaranteed" "generational" "transcendent" or whatever the hyperbole du jour is applied to any draft prospect.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 26, 2020 15:19:16 GMT -5
1.....why does one game mean anything? 2.....a players success on one team means almost nothing to where he "could have" been drafted. 3.....the Giants have way more wrong than one receiver
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 15:26:27 GMT -5
Are you suggesting posters stop offering opinions... due to how hard it is? No, just something to keep in mind with all these "lock" "guaranteed" "generational" "transcendent" or whatever the hyperbole du jour is applied to any draft prospect. Well, I'm still going to be using those terms...might want to ignore my adjective usage...I'm fully aware nothing is a guarantee until a career is finished
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Post by jmike on Oct 26, 2020 15:37:43 GMT -5
No, just something to keep in mind with all these "lock" "guaranteed" "generational" "transcendent" or whatever the hyperbole du jour is applied to any draft prospect. Well, I'm still going to be using those terms...might want to ignore my adjective usage...I'm fully aware nothing is a guarantee until a career is finished IDK, those hyperbolic statements annoy me. Makes me think the speaker has some type of memory disorder or it is their first year watching football. All it takes is a cursory look at previous drafts to see how absolutely ridiculous it is to use those terms for any player who has not yet played a single NFL down. The "gold jacket" statement from DG made me want to see his ass fired for making such an idiotic statement. Still not sure I was wrong too want that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 15:44:30 GMT -5
1.....why does one game mean anything? 2.....a players success on one team means almost nothing to where he "could have" been drafted. 3.....the Giants have way more wrong than one receiver 1 question and 2 opinions. ok, I'll answer the first point.. because that's how my libra scale is setup regarding that specific situation.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 26, 2020 16:47:24 GMT -5
1.....why does one game mean anything? 2.....a players success on one team means almost nothing to where he "could have" been drafted. 3.....the Giants have way more wrong than one receiver 1 question and 2 opinions. ok, I'll answer the first point.. because that's how my libra scale is setup regarding that specific situation. Bottom line.. Mimms possibly having a good debut means absolutely nothing
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 26, 2020 16:52:54 GMT -5
I know. Thankfully it remains only important metric in actual football. Theoretical football is a whole different discussion. 👍🏿 good job captain obvious lol It's what I do. Plus it keeps the peanut gallery from believing its own hype.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 16:54:09 GMT -5
1 question and 2 opinions. ok, I'll answer the first point.. because that's how my libra scale is setup regarding that specific situation. Bottom line.. Mimms possibly having a good debut means absolutely nothing I respect your opinion
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 26, 2020 16:58:11 GMT -5
1 question and 2 opinions. ok, I'll answer the first point.. because that's how my libra scale is setup regarding that specific situation. Bottom line.. Mimms possibly having a good debut means absolutely nothing No. Now that I've read through the whole thread, I don't think that's it. It does mean something specifically to Gunner and fans like him that liked the player coming out. It currently doesn't mean as much to the Jets or Giants or other bad team. By the same token, I think it could be meaningful to a good team.
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Post by GameTime on Oct 26, 2020 17:11:27 GMT -5
Bottom line.. Mimms possibly having a good debut means absolutely nothing No. Now that I've read through the whole thread, I don't think that's it. It does mean something specifically to Gunner and fans like him that liked the player coming out. It currently doesn't mean as much to the Jets or Giants or other bad team. By the same token, I think it could be meaningful to a good team. so thats is final straw with DG if Mims has a good debut? Thread title its all about 1 game. I didnt read all the posts. He was 4 for 42 with two first downs. Does that qualify as a good debut? Is Gunner's mind now made up?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2020 17:15:04 GMT -5
No. Now that I've read through the whole thread, I don't think that's it. It does mean something specifically to Gunner and fans like him that liked the player coming out. It currently doesn't mean as much to the Jets or Giants or other bad team. By the same token, I think it could be meaningful to a good team. so thats is final straw with DG if Mims has a good debut? Thread title its all about 1 game. I didnt read all the posts. He was 4 for 42 with two first downs. Does that qualify as a good debut? Is Gunner's mind now made up? The last time Tate had 4 catches was week 5... guess how many yards? 42! It's not easy to produce in the NFL. Bottom line. Factor in this is his 1st game, on the worst team, against guys in game shape, 7 weeks into the season.. it means something.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 26, 2020 18:28:29 GMT -5
No. Now that I've read through the whole thread, I don't think that's it. It does mean something specifically to Gunner and fans like him that liked the player coming out. It currently doesn't mean as much to the Jets or Giants or other bad team. By the same token, I think it could be meaningful to a good team. so thats is final straw with DG if Mims has a good debut? Thread title its all about 1 game. I didnt read all the posts. He was 4 for 42 with two first downs. Does that qualify as a good debut? Is Gunner's mind now made up? I think the point is that it does not matter. Mims may very well become a very good player, it doesn't matter because he is of very little use to a bad team. He's on a bad team and if the Giants drafted him, he'd be on a bad team; his contribution are just not meaningful in that situation. Put him on a built out team and the situation changes completely.
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 26, 2020 20:39:50 GMT -5
I really liked Mims going into the draft, and think he will be an excellent receiver. On the day of the draft when McKinney fell to us, I was quite pleased, and think he will also be very good, once his foot heals up. It's impossible to rate either of them at this juncture.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 26, 2020 21:04:29 GMT -5
so thats is final straw with DG if Mims has a good debut? Thread title its all about 1 game. I didnt read all the posts. He was 4 for 42 with two first downs. Does that qualify as a good debut? Is Gunner's mind now made up? I think the point is that it does not matter. Mims may very well become a very good player, it doesn't matter because he is of very little use to a bad team. He's on a bad team and if the Giants drafted him, he'd be on a bad team; his contribution are just not meaningful in that situation. Put him on a built out team and the situation changes completely. Thing is Jones >Darnold Mims probably would have produced when Shepard was out and there wouldn't have been the black hole opposite Slayton A red zone target we possibly score a few more TDs..
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 27, 2020 0:36:55 GMT -5
I think the point is that it does not matter. Mims may very well become a very good player, it doesn't matter because he is of very little use to a bad team. He's on a bad team and if the Giants drafted him, he'd be on a bad team; his contribution are just not meaningful in that situation. Put him on a built out team and the situation changes completely. Thing is Jones >Darnold Mims probably would have produced when Shepard was out and there wouldn't have been the black hole opposite Slayton A red zone target we possibly score a few more TDs.. Oh yeah, he'd be an instant upgrade to every WR on the Giants. I'd love to have him. But the Giants have deep needs and I believe they tried to address them in round 2 and he was not a deep need at that time. Why you may ask, well for some reason the thread is about this WR the Jets drafted and the Giants GM. So there you go.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 1:33:31 GMT -5
Giants Defense is top 10 without McKinney ever playing a snap, so there you go..
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Post by Fletch842 on Oct 27, 2020 5:59:41 GMT -5
Giants Defense is top 10 without McKinney ever playing a snap, so there you go.. maybe some stats show them in top 10, but that defense is not a top 10 defense. They are a lot better than feared heading into the season, but lets not get too starry eyed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 6:12:09 GMT -5
I think the point is that it does not matter. Mims may very well become a very good player, it doesn't matter because he is of very little use to a bad team. He's on a bad team and if the Giants drafted him, he'd be on a bad team; his contribution are just not meaningful in that situation. Put him on a built out team and the situation changes completely. Thing is Jones >Darnold Mims probably would have produced when Shepard was out and there wouldn't have been the black hole opposite Slayton A red zone target we possibly score a few more TDs.. Yep, and Mims would have been a nice building block on our bad team...helping any young QB. That's what draft picks do...they help these bad teams and young QB's get better....unless you are Darnold...wow, that kid looks brutal in his third year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2020 6:22:56 GMT -5
Thing is Jones >Darnold Mims probably would have produced when Shepard was out and there wouldn't have been the black hole opposite Slayton A red zone target we possibly score a few more TDs.. Oh yeah, he'd be an instant upgrade to every WR on the Giants. I'd love to have him. But the Giants have deep needs and I believe they tried to address them in round 2 and he was not a deep need at that time. Why you may ask, well for some reason the thread is about this WR the Jets drafted and the Giants GM. So there you go. Mims is so fun to watch so any thread with Mims in the title is solid by me lol...some of us were not happy we passed on Mims as the draft went into the 2nd round...GL and I being two of the Mims fans...but to be fair, I have hated DG since he drafted a running back two overall. All hail Mims We need more Mims threads, and less Engram ...oh wait, this is a Giants board.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 27, 2020 9:50:13 GMT -5
Giants Defense is top 10 without McKinney ever playing a snap, so there you go.. They aren’t but it hardly matters in the hypothetical.
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Post by Sarcasman on Oct 27, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -5
Thing is Jones >Darnold Mims probably would have produced when Shepard was out and there wouldn't have been the black hole opposite Slayton A red zone target we possibly score a few more TDs.. Yep, and Mims would have been a nice building block on our bad team...helping any young QB. That's what draft picks do...they help these bad teams and young QB's get better....unless you are Darnold...wow, that kid looks brutal in his third year. P Sure, maybe. But at some point for better or for worse the organization decides in what order they will tackle their most critical needs. We thankfully don’t hand that responsibility off to the fans.......at least not yet. So on the plus side we don’t have 5 QBs, 7 WRs and 11 pass rushers.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 27, 2020 10:55:49 GMT -5
Oh yeah, he'd be an instant upgrade to every WR on the Giants. I'd love to have him. But the Giants have deep needs and I believe they tried to address them in round 2 and he was not a deep need at that time. Why you may ask, well for some reason the thread is about this WR the Jets drafted and the Giants GM. So there you go. Mims is so fun to watch so any thread with Mims in the title is solid by me lol...some of us were not happy we passed on Mims as the draft went into the 2nd round...GL and I being two of the Mims fans...but to be fair, I have hated DG since he drafted a running back two overall. All hail Mims We need more Mims threads, and less Engram ...oh wait, this is a Giants board. My (its not hatred..its more resigning myself to understand he hurt the development of Jones with being stuck in the past)thing was watching the recievers struggle with seperation not named Slayton and Shepard while players we passed on tbe past 2 years are playing well..and trading up for Baker is the lynch pin to this We stay at 37 Metcalf McLaren (2 legit recievers) And you remember I was high on Risner...he is balling at RT for Denver..that snowball effect let's us take Peoples Jones or whatever od those great recievers last draft at 3..this past year
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