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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 23:49:20 GMT -5
Do you believe in duality? You could cost your team a game and be a 2nd year QB learning at the same time.. He should be a lot better than this by now. He's repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I find that alarming.
Easy for you to say. You were never a franchise QB. Give the kid at least 3 years to prove himself.
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Post by yoho on Nov 2, 2020 23:51:29 GMT -5
I'm going out on a limb here. Stick with D Jones. Maybe the game will slow down just a tick for him with some more experience. I don't know if this is wise, but it seems plausible, and largely overlooked at moments like these. I think you stick with him through the season if we are in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs and Judge wants him that means Jones failed and it is time to move on. Trade him for what ever you can get and draft fields if we can. I wish people would get off the Fields bandwagon. He's another OSU qb that plays week in week out with perfect protection and a running game to beat the band. Any qb is going to thrive at OSU. Name an OSU qb that has been a franchise qb in the NFL?
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Post by boxcarwillie on Nov 2, 2020 23:52:21 GMT -5
I'm going out on a limb here. Stick with D Jones. Maybe the game will slow down just a tick for him with some more experience. I don't know if this is wise, but it seems plausible, and largely overlooked at moments like these. OK, I'm real mad a Jones tonight. Bill Parcells probably would have benched him after the int to send a message, and I would have agreed with that. Jones has to develop pocket awareness, period. That play where he went back, and Slayton bailed him out was again bad pocket awareness. And he has to throw balls away or take a sack instead of forcing ints. But I understand him being gunshy given he has had no running game or pass blocking before now. They have to build his confidence back up. He's got alot of what you look for in a QB, but he's really made a ton of game blowing mistakes. Where it goes from here is unknown. I'm really impressed, though, with the look of the team (aside from the QB).
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Post by yoho on Nov 2, 2020 23:53:53 GMT -5
Do you believe in duality? You could cost your team a game and be a 2nd year QB learning at the same time.. He should be a lot better than this by now. He's repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I find that alarming.
He's been under constant duress with a terrible running game. We are creating a David Carr 2.0
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 2, 2020 23:53:57 GMT -5
You can't turn the ball over in this league. He turns it over nearly 2 times a game. You can say he doesn't have great weapons, or his line isn't great..fine. That doesn't mean it's an excuse to continually turn the ball over. You can take a sack. You can throw the ball away. He did it in college, and it's continued in the NFL. That is a pattern, not an anomaly. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's hard. Typically a QB who turns the ball over keeps turning the ball over. It's usually doesn't go away. Daniel Jones cost his team this game...period. Do you believe in duality? You could cost your team a game and be a 2nd year QB learning at the same time.. He turns the ball over nearly twice a game. He did it in college, I watched him a lot since he played in the ACC and I am in Cuse. He is doing the same thing now. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there have been plenty of QBs learning but not turning it over 35 times in 20 games. I believe what my eyes tell me, and my eyes tell me he is turnover prone. It isn't going away. He's been trying to make a concerted effort after last year to not do it, and he's still doing it.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 2, 2020 23:54:09 GMT -5
He should be. He can’t coach his team to win. Constant missed opportunities and penalties. ridiculous statement. He's done better than I thought he would so far I think Judge has done well also. Had we taken a WR or a defensive piece in the 2019 draft we'd be poised to develop a young QB. Hopefully the coaches can slap the stupid out of him. But don't count on him thinking much faster.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 2, 2020 23:56:34 GMT -5
ahh no they dont. you want a QB to do well with your own team... They dont care I live in So Fla. and also root for the 'phins. Believe me... we don't care.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 23:57:46 GMT -5
Do you believe in duality? You could cost your team a game and be a 2nd year QB learning at the same time.. He turns the ball over nearly twice a game. He did it in college, I watched him a lot since he played in the ACC and I am in Cuse. He is doing the same thing now. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there have been plenty of QBs learning but not turning it over 35 times in 20 games. I believe what my eyes tell me, and my eyes tell me he is turnover prone. It isn't going away. He's been trying to make a concerted effort after last year to not do it, and he's still doing it. I respect your opinion
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 2, 2020 23:59:56 GMT -5
He turns the ball over nearly twice a game. He did it in college, I watched him a lot since he played in the ACC and I am in Cuse. He is doing the same thing now. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but there have been plenty of QBs learning but not turning it over 35 times in 20 games. I believe what my eyes tell me, and my eyes tell me he is turnover prone. It isn't going away. He's been trying to make a concerted effort after last year to not do it, and he's still doing it. I respect your opinion Some people give you a hard time, but you are never a dick to other posters. I respect your opinion as well.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 2, 2020 23:59:57 GMT -5
I think Judge has done well also. Had we taken a WR or a defensive piece in the 2019 draft we'd be poised to develop a young QB. Hopefully the coaches can slap the stupid out of him. But don't count on him thinking much faster. every fan cares when they give up on a player too early.. save it, respectfully. Imagine if our weapons had Fitzmagic today. Shame. Maybe thats the move we should make?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 0:00:06 GMT -5
ahh no they dont. you want a QB to do well with your own team... They dont care I live in So Fla. and also root for the'phins. Believe me... we don't care. every fan cares when they give up on a player too early.. save it, respectfully. Ps.. no true fan roots for 2 teams
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 3, 2020 0:00:09 GMT -5
He should be a lot better than this by now. He's repeating the same mistakes over and over.
I find that alarming.
Easy for you to say. You were never a franchise QB. Give the kid at least 3 years to prove himself. God that was a dumb comment.
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Post by tommy3rd on Nov 3, 2020 0:01:18 GMT -5
I was on board but 35 turn overs in 20 games this kid has lost at least 2 or 3 games for this team alone. being compared to biggest draft bust in NFL history is a sign that we have to move on...
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:01:22 GMT -5
I think you stick with him through the season if we are in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs and Judge wants him that means Jones failed and it is time to move on. Trade him for what ever you can get and draft fields if we can. I wish people would get off the Fields bandwagon. He's another OSU qb that plays week in week out with perfect protection and a running game to beat the band. Any qb is going to thrive at OSU. Name an OSU qb that has been a franchise qb in the NFL? Well they are gonna need to do something with the QB position if he can't shake this turn over bug. I do agree with OSU QBs but we need to get things done with that position or they need to be Patient with Jones and teach him. 35 turnovers in 20 games I'm not sure if it's fixable.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 3, 2020 0:04:31 GMT -5
And anyone blaming the play calling or Judge for this loss...I don't know what game you watched.
They should have won this game, it was a great game plan on both sides of the ball. The coaches put them in position to win...
I don't know if we have our QB, my gut tells me we don't. But I do believe we have our HC.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:06:00 GMT -5
Only thing I can say is I trust our coach he has done a great job. If at the end of the year he says to who ver the GM is I want Jones we can get him over the top I'm good but if he wants his own QB he should have his say.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 3, 2020 0:07:43 GMT -5
I live in So Fla. and also root for the'phins. Believe me... we don't care. every fan cares when they give up on a player too early.. save it, respectfully. Ps.. no true fan roots for 2 teams Why not?I can speak two languages, too.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:08:22 GMT -5
I think you stick with him through the season if we are in position to draft one of the top 2 QBs and Judge wants him that means Jones failed and it is time to move on. Trade him for what ever you can get and draft fields if we can. Definitely. If moving on from Jones is what's best for the NY Giants I'm all for it. I trust jone s to make the best choice.
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Post by Eazy E on Nov 3, 2020 0:16:25 GMT -5
Yes unfortunately only Ryan Leaf has more turnovers than DJ in the first 20 games. Ryan Leaf was the biggest bust in NFL history. Want to know who many consider the 2nd biggest bust in NFL history? Heath Shuler. Guess who was his college coach? David Cutcliffe which is DJs Duke coach. Maybe Peyton and Eli had more to do with Archie and not Cutcliffe.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:20:37 GMT -5
And anyone blaming the play calling or Judge for this loss...I don't know what game you watched. They should have won this game, it was a great game plan on both sides of the ball. The coaches put them in position to win... I don't know if we have our QB, my gut tells me we don't. But I do believe we have our HC. Judge and the staff are one of the right things they need discipline from the QB position. They have improved week in and week out Jones needs to manage the game and make the plays that are there. for me the OL was very solid JPP was handled he got a sack because Jones decided to try to run up the middle instead of throw the ball away.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:22:28 GMT -5
Yes unfortunately only Ryan Leaf has more turnovers than DJ in the first 20 games. Ryan Leaf was the biggest bust in NFL history. Want to know who many consider the 2nd biggest bust in NFL history? Heath Shuler. Guess who was his college coach? David Cutcliffe which is DJs Duke coach. Maybe Peyton and Eli had more to do with Archie and not Cutcliffe. As I said he has 8 games to prove he is the guy he needs to string some clean winning football together.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 3, 2020 0:24:00 GMT -5
Yes unfortunately only Ryan Leaf has more turnovers than DJ in the first 20 games. Ryan Leaf was the biggest bust in NFL history. Want to know who many consider the 2nd biggest bust in NFL history? Heath Shuler. Guess who was his college coach? David Cutcliffe which is DJs Duke coach. Maybe Peyton and Eli had more to do with Archie and not Cutcliffe. As I said he has 8 games to prove he is the guy he needs to string some clean winning football together. Hope you're not putting any $ down on that my friend
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 0:24:02 GMT -5
Giants should do everything possible to keep this defense together and ad to it through the draft.
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Post by TGTW92 on Nov 3, 2020 0:28:20 GMT -5
Jones is in the same conversation as Ryan Leaf at this point. Not good company.
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Post by DandyDon on Nov 3, 2020 0:46:49 GMT -5
So again they were in the game until the end. Most peeps here thought we'd be blown out of this game.
I get this team is just good enough to keep you watching only to disappoint you every week.
But even at 1-7 and little talent, I like the attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 0:46:50 GMT -5
Jones is in the same conversation as Ryan Leaf at this point. Not good company. Ryan Leaf threw 2TDs and 15 INTs his rookie year, then 11TDs and 18INTs his 2nd year as a full time starter. How ridiculous does your comment look bro?, respectfully..
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Post by TGTW92 on Nov 3, 2020 0:50:25 GMT -5
Jones is in the same conversation as Ryan Leaf at this point. Not good company. Ryan Leaf threw 2TDs and 15 INTs his rookie year, then 11TDs and 18INTs his 2nd year as a full time starter. How ridiculous does your comment look bro?, respectfully.. 35 turnovers in 20 games to Leaf's 41 in 20 games. Jones' turnovers have lost us more games than his TDs have won. A good bit of garbage time TDs sprinkled in there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 0:54:21 GMT -5
Ryan Leaf threw 2TDs and 15 INTs his rookie year, then 11TDs and 18INTs his 2nd year as a full time starter. How ridiculous does your comment look bro?, respectfully.. 35 turnovers in 20 games to Leaf's 41 in 20 games. Jones' turnovers have lost us more games than his TDs have won. A good bit of garbage time TDs sprinkled in there. Decision making T/Os (INTs) and bad line play T/Os (fumbles) hold different weights in my book 🤷🏿♂️ Ryan Leaf threw 2TDs and 15 INTs his rookie year, then 11TDs and 18INTs his 2nd year as a full time starter. How ridiculous does your comment look.. I'll save you the math. That's 13TDs & 33INTs for Leaf in 2 seasons. How is he the same as Jones again? ...
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Post by yoho on Nov 3, 2020 0:57:52 GMT -5
I wish people would get off the Fields bandwagon. He's another OSU qb that plays week in week out with perfect protection and a running game to beat the band. Any qb is going to thrive at OSU. Name an OSU qb that has been a franchise qb in the NFL? Well they are gonna need to do something with the QB position if he can't shake this turn over bug. I do agree with OSU QBs but we need to get things done with that position or they need to be Patient with Jones and teach him. 35 turnovers in 20 games I'm not sure if it's fixable. I think Jones has been drinking from a fire hose this year. New coaches, New system, poor protection, no running game. Hurt receivers. He's obviously trying to do too much and he's forcing things. However, the team is starting to gel. He's getting more help. The game However has not slowed down for him yet. But it will. I think he has the tools, and the smarts. Phil Simms was not anything special his first two years. Parcells benched him for Scott Brunner.
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Post by TGTW92 on Nov 3, 2020 1:01:17 GMT -5
35 turnovers in 20 games to Leaf's 41 in 20 games. Jones' turnovers have lost us more games than his TDs have won. A good bit of garbage time TDs sprinkled in there. Decision making T/Os (INTs) and bad line play T/Os (fumbles) hold different weights in my book 🤷🏿♂️ Ryan Leaf threw 2TDs and 15 INTs his rookie year, then 11TDs and 18INTs his 2nd year as a full time starter. How ridiculous does your comment look.. I'll save you the math. That's 13TDs & 33INTs for Leaf in 2 seasons. How is he the same as Jones again? ... never said they were the same, just in the same conversation. Turnover machines. At this rate we'll be able to add busts as well.
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