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Post by southerner on Nov 3, 2020 5:44:31 GMT -5
Looks clear to me now that the Giants should (and most likely will) take Justin Fields with their first pick. We have all seen enough of Jones and his turnovers. Giants should have known better then to draft from Dave Brown’s alma mater.
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 3, 2020 6:41:46 GMT -5
Man, Gettleman has destroyed this team
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Post by southerner on Nov 3, 2020 6:44:54 GMT -5
Man, Gettleman has destroyed this team Yes he has. The Giant rebuild will have to begin from the start in the upcoming offseason.
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Post by titowooten on Nov 3, 2020 8:31:32 GMT -5
the problem is the jaguars are a 1 win team as well and are definitely in the market for a QB. i'm assuming we win a couple meaningless games and end up picking behind the jets and the jaguars which leaves us with trey lance as the next best option. kind of like how we won a meaningless game against the skins last year and gifted them chase young.
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 3, 2020 8:49:36 GMT -5
Here's the issue. You don't take a QB because you need one. You take a QB because you found the right one.
Its been a few years since the Barkley trade and you can debate taking a RB #2 overall till you're blue in the face, but the more important evaluation is did you pass up on a QB at that spot that realistically you should have taken?
Most were furious we didn't take Darnold. Passing on him looks like a good call right now. Passing up on Allen, you can make a strong case was a mistake.
It was the same thing with Haskins. OMG we're so stupid we didn't take Haskins. Nope. Absolutely the right call.
At the end of the day these scouting departments have to do the work to prove that Fields is worth the #2 or #3 pick. We keep missing on HIGH DRAFT PICKS and that's why we're in this mess.
Drafting for need creates blinds spots in judgement.
Every QB you take you're committing to at least 2 years with them under center. Realistically we probably still have Jones next year unless Judge/Garrett make an internal campaign of "he's not our QB".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:04:30 GMT -5
I see Jones as the QB for at least one more year.. If Lawrence is there for them they should take him but I don't see that option being there..
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 9:05:29 GMT -5
I see Jones as the QB for at least one more year.. If Lawrence is there for them they should take him but I don't see that option being there.. This Lawrence is the only one
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 3, 2020 9:07:24 GMT -5
I see Jones as the QB for at least one more year.. If Lawrence is there for them they should take him but I don't see that option being there.. This Lawrence is the only one Exactly. We have a partial QB already.
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Post by titowooten on Nov 3, 2020 9:09:43 GMT -5
I see Jones as the QB for at least one more year.. If Lawrence is there for them they should take him but I don't see that option being there.. This Lawrence is the only one lawrence is a once in a decade type of prospect and we're going to have to watch him play for the jets. i think they're purposely tanking and i don't think they're going to win a game all season. that being said i think fields and lance would be a pretty big upgrade over jones and the giants would have a pretty tough decision to make if this season continues in this fashion with jones turning the ball over every game and missing open receivers or not seeing them to begin with. the problem is every once in a while he flashes and you see the QB he can be. he's clearly very athletic as well and has great speed. he has all the tools to be a great QB but unfortunately can't seem to put it together.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 9:15:57 GMT -5
This Lawrence is the only one lawrence is a once in a decade type of prospect and we're going to have to watch him play for the jets. i think they're purposely tanking and i don't think they're going to win a game all season. that being said i think fields and lance would be a pretty big upgrade over jones and the giants would have a pretty tough decision to make if this season continues in this fashion with jones turning the ball over every game and missing open receivers or not seeing them to begin with. the problem is every once in a while he flashes and you see the QB he can be. he's clearly very athletic as well and has great speed. he has all the tools to be a great QB but unfortunately can't seem to put it together. I honestly don't see the must have upside of those 2 over what we have now..its nore a "grass is greener on the other side "type move that I can't justify at this time ....
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Post by bluebuddha on Nov 3, 2020 9:19:53 GMT -5
Here's the issue. You don't take a QB because you need one. You take a QB because you found the right one. Its been a few years since the Barkley trade and you can debate taking a RB #2 overall till you're blue in the face, but the more important evaluation is did you pass up on a QB at that spot that realistically you should have taken? Most were furious we didn't take Darnold. Passing on him looks like a good call right now. Passing up on Allen, you can make a strong case was a mistake. It was the same thing with Haskins. OMG we're so stupid we didn't take Haskins. Nope. Absolutely the right call. At the end of the day these scouting departments have to do the work to prove that Fields is worth the #2 or #3 pick. We keep missing on HIGH DRAFT PICKS and that's why we're in this mess. Drafting for need creates blinds spots in judgement. Every QB you take you're committing to at least 2 years with them under center. Realistically we probably still have Jones next year unless Judge/Garrett make an internal campaign of "he's not our QB". I also wonder if DJ was scouted based on Shurmurs offensive system that was in place or if QBs are scouted offensive system agnostic.
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Post by titowooten on Nov 3, 2020 9:22:23 GMT -5
lawrence is a once in a decade type of prospect and we're going to have to watch him play for the jets. i think they're purposely tanking and i don't think they're going to win a game all season. that being said i think fields and lance would be a pretty big upgrade over jones and the giants would have a pretty tough decision to make if this season continues in this fashion with jones turning the ball over every game and missing open receivers or not seeing them to begin with. the problem is every once in a while he flashes and you see the QB he can be. he's clearly very athletic as well and has great speed. he has all the tools to be a great QB but unfortunately can't seem to put it together. I honestly don't see the must have upside of those 2 over what we have now..its nore a "grass is greener on the other side "type move that I can't justify at this time .... what we have now is a QB that is turning the ball over almost twice a game on average. you can't win football games like that.
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Post by Bigjeep on Nov 3, 2020 9:23:45 GMT -5
Man, Gettleman has destroyed this team Not really, its hard to destroy something that was never there!
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Post by myronguyton29 on Nov 3, 2020 9:24:28 GMT -5
Here's the issue. You don't take a QB because you need one. You take a QB because you found the right one. Its been a few years since the Barkley trade and you can debate taking a RB #2 overall till you're blue in the face, but the more important evaluation is did you pass up on a QB at that spot that realistically you should have taken? Most were furious we didn't take Darnold. Passing on him looks like a good call right now. Passing up on Allen, you can make a strong case was a mistake. It was the same thing with Haskins. OMG we're so stupid we didn't take Haskins. Nope. Absolutely the right call. At the end of the day these scouting departments have to do the work to prove that Fields is worth the #2 or #3 pick. We keep missing on HIGH DRAFT PICKS and that's why we're in this mess. Drafting for need creates blinds spots in judgement. Every QB you take you're committing to at least 2 years with them under center. Realistically we probably still have Jones next year unless Judge/Garrett make an internal campaign of "he's not our QB". so as it pertains to any position on this team, should we draft for need or what? If not need, what should be the strategy?
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Post by GameTime on Nov 3, 2020 9:26:44 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was.
Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done.
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Post by snyder55 on Nov 3, 2020 9:35:29 GMT -5
no matter how good a college QB is you never know what what you have until he gets to the pros...
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 3, 2020 9:42:52 GMT -5
I haven't watched much of Fields, so my opinion is based simply on gut feeling, but he seems like a reach. Just because you're the 2nd best QB in a class doesn't mean you should be drafted high. I feel like Fields falls into this category.
If we end up with the #2 pick, we should trade down. The only QB we should take next year is Lawrence.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Nov 3, 2020 9:43:00 GMT -5
I don't see Fields game transitioning to the NFL. I think its Spicoli or BPA.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 9:45:05 GMT -5
Here's the issue. You don't take a QB because you need one. You take a QB because you found the right one. Its been a few years since the Barkley trade and you can debate taking a RB #2 overall till you're blue in the face, but the more important evaluation is did you pass up on a QB at that spot that realistically you should have taken? Most were furious we didn't take Darnold. Passing on him looks like a good call right now. Passing up on Allen, you can make a strong case was a mistake. It was the same thing with Haskins. OMG we're so stupid we didn't take Haskins. Nope. Absolutely the right call. At the end of the day these scouting departments have to do the work to prove that Fields is worth the #2 or #3 pick. We keep missing on HIGH DRAFT PICKS and that's why we're in this mess. Drafting for need creates blinds spots in judgement. Every QB you take you're committing to at least 2 years with them under center. Realistically we probably still have Jones next year unless Judge/Garrett make an internal campaign of "he's not our QB". I also wonder if DJ was scouted based on Shurmurs offensive system that was in place or if QBs are scouted offensive system agnostic. Hand picked by Shurmur Can't attempt much logic with this base but I was warning people all last year that this would be a possibility and at the very least tbis could be a major setback year.. But **** continuity
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 9:48:48 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was. Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done. Tbe only positive guarantee taking him in addition to probably getting an extra 2nd next year is reset the qb on a rookie deal clock an extra 2 years I see almost tbe same qb skillsets Jones at least showed at Duke accuracy throwing into tight windows with bad recievers and having a bad o line against good teams .... Fields is highly talented,way moreso than Haskins But the same thing as Haskins Multiple future good NFL O linemen and WRs around him Jones actually is reminding me a lot of early Favre ....albeit on a much less talented team
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Post by bluebuddha on Nov 3, 2020 9:50:54 GMT -5
I also wonder if DJ was scouted based on Shurmurs offensive system that was in place or if QBs are scouted offensive system agnostic. Hand picked by Shurmur Can't attempt much logic with this base but I was warning people all last year that this would be a possibility and at the very least tbis could be a major setback year.. But **** continuity I see that DJ looks more suited for a west coast system with a rhythm than a Coryell style offense where he has to let plays develop. His timing is really off on his drop backs.It was nice to see Garrett open up the playbook. Lets see if Jones can get his timing and accuracy dialed in on those deep shots.
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Post by southerner on Nov 3, 2020 10:06:11 GMT -5
If this is like every other year, other QBs will emerge by February, so the Giants will have a shot at one of them. The Jets will probably stumble into a win somewhere along this season, so the Giants could be the “Trevor-takers”.....but they should not rule out taking one of the other QBs available. The new GM will do that as he will definitely not to stay with the human turnover machine.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 10:08:43 GMT -5
Hand picked by Shurmur Can't attempt much logic with this base but I was warning people all last year that this would be a possibility and at the very least tbis could be a major setback year.. But **** continuity I see that DJ looks more suited for a west coast system with a rhythm than a Coryell style offense where he has to let plays develop. His timing is really off on his drop backs.It was nice to see Garrett open up the playbook. Lets see if Jones can get his timing and accuracy dialed in on those deep shots. WCO and Coryell styles are related in that they are both Rhythm based,tbis one is more vertical But I thought Jones was indeed the perfect Shurmur qb I mean if they are in position and decide to go witb Fields I can see Jones flourishing with Shanahan or in Minnesota for a 2nd
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Post by titowooten on Nov 3, 2020 10:14:04 GMT -5
If this is like every other year, other QBs will emerge by February, so the Giants will have a shot at one of them. The Jets will probably stumble into a win somewhere along this season, so the Giants could be the “Trevor-takers”.....but they should not rule out taking one of the other QBs available. The new GM will do that as he will definitely not to stay with the human turnover machine. this isn't like every other year though. covid has screwed things up pretty badly. the QB that most college/draft analysts have ranked as the 3rd best prospect (trey lance) is on a team that is only playing one game this season. not sure if any other QBs are going to emerge in the next couple months or at the combine. right now it's lawrence, fields, and lance as the first round QB talents and all of them will likely go in the top 10. edit: on second thought i could be wrong since zach wilson from BYU has been moving up draft boards this season. so you're probably right, but still covid has really thrown a wrench in scouting this year.
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 3, 2020 10:33:56 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was. Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done. How about getting a transitional veteran QB until they find another young prospect? Or taking a flyer on Sam Darnold, who is being dismembered methodically by a transcendently bad team right now. He can't be worse than what we got... can he?
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 10:34:39 GMT -5
Looks clear to me now that the Giants should (and most likely will) take Justin Fields with their first pick. We have all seen enough of Jones and his turnovers. Giants should have known better then to draft from Dave Brown’s alma mater. I was all over that to. We have 8 games left and Jones could very well settle down he did last year the last 4 or 5 games once he trusted himself within the system. If we do have to go QB some one here brought it up to me Ohio ST QBs are not the most reliable transitioning to the NFL.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 3, 2020 10:36:20 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was. Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done. How about getting a transitional veteran QB until they find another young prospect? Or taking a flyer on Sam Darnold, who is being dismembered methodically by a transcendently bad team right now. He can't be worse than what we got... can he? This is what teams that have been irrelevant for 20 plus years do No thanks
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Post by SG88 on Nov 3, 2020 10:41:12 GMT -5
Justin Fields will definitely be in play at 2 if the Giants finish that high in the draft. I would draft him without hesitation, but I totally understand where people are coming from in regards to trading back. I do not see Gettleman being retained as the GM, so all bets are off with Jones and pretty much most of the roster. Remember when Gettleman jettisoned almost all of Reese's players? The incumbent could do the same with his players. Then again, Chris Mara is still heavily involved. Good luck getting a GM with some clout with Chris having plenty of say.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 3, 2020 10:42:50 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was. Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done. How about getting a transitional veteran QB until they find another young prospect? Or taking a flyer on Sam Darnold, who is being dismembered methodically by a transcendently bad team right now. He can't be worse than what we got... can he? Hard pass on Darnold. That Jets experience may traumatize his entire career.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 3, 2020 10:45:03 GMT -5
Jones is a big reason the are in games and a big reason they lose games. He is more of an enigma at this point than Eli ever was. Justin Fields will not be the slam dunk cure but something may need to be done. Tbe only positive guarantee taking him in addition to probably getting an extra 2nd next year is reset the qb on a rookie deal clock an extra 2 years I see almost tbe same qb skillsets Jones at least showed at Duke accuracy throwing into tight windows with bad recievers and having a bad o line against good teams .... Fields is highly talented,way moreso than Haskins But the same thing as Haskins Multiple future good NFL O linemen and WRs around him Jones actually is reminding me a lot of early Favre ....albeit on a much less talented team DJ has a golden opportunity these next 8 games, he seems to be pretty comfortable in the offense and as I said before he settled down the last4 or 5 games last year if I remember correctly. If he can string some good clean football together we can move on to other needs. If not this team is young and ready for a leader to get them over the hump their gonna have redraft the spot. Guess if they are in position to draft one it means he has failed miserably.
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