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Post by Antwuan on Nov 24, 2020 23:47:50 GMT -5
What Are Your Thoughts On The 2016 N.Y. Giants?
Been thinking about doing this thread for a while.
That Defense in 2016 was Good.
*Victor Cruz’s Return Season.
*Landon Collins Breakout Season.
*Ben McAdoo’s 1st Season as the new Head Coach.
*Janoris Jenkins, Damon Harrison, & Olivier Vernon all played pivotal/significant roles for the Giants Defense.
*Sterling Shepherd’s Rookie Season.
*Odell Beckham Jr carrying the Giants Offense.
*Giants Swept the Cowboys.
*Giants Split with the Eagles.
*Giants Split with the Redskins.
*Giants 38-13 Playoff Loss to the Packers & Giants 16-23 Regular Season Loss to the Packers.
*Eli Manning’s up & down season.
There’s so much to talk about with the 2016 N.Y. Giants.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 25, 2020 0:01:11 GMT -5
I think about a boat with Justin Beiber on it... 2016 is as forgettable of a season as there is.
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Post by jerky on Nov 25, 2020 0:03:57 GMT -5
Eli was the only one who showed up to the playoff game. He was playoff Eli. The rest of the offense (ahem Beckham) let the team down. When it really mattered he shrunk.
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 25, 2020 5:25:14 GMT -5
That team and the contracts given out in FA set this team back a couple years. Classic one step forward, two steps back.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2020 6:11:52 GMT -5
Tough crowd.. Who cares how we made the playoffs, point is we made it. And let’s be honest, we were never beating that Packers team. Are we’re all forgetting that once Cromartie went down 2nd play of the game the NYPD secondary became EZ Pass..
We had no business making the playoffs that year. An offensive line with Flowers and Hart at tackles. Paul Perkins starting at running back, Will Tye at tight end. Not exactly a roster to boast about. We got in on the backs of our defense and Beckham. And in the playoffs both came up short..
Since our super bowl that was the only team that made the playoffs. And fans are trying to forget it? But, let’s focus on a team that’s 3-7 and everyone is thrilled about the direction we’re in..
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 25, 2020 6:25:24 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell.
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 25, 2020 7:18:11 GMT -5
We did it with smoke and mirrors. The D was very opportunistic that year, caused a lot of turnovers, which made them look better then they were. They got exposed big time in Green Bay. Didn't we have a pretty weak schedule that year as well? Without Odell, our offence was pretty much non-existent, and he forgot to show up for that playoff game.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 25, 2020 8:26:41 GMT -5
I think people like to forget about this season because the ego disaster that
ensued the following season. Likewise Jerry Reese chose not to try upgrading the OL when it held the offense back majorly in 2016.
2016 held the team back as an organization when you think about it. Reese tried fixing years of bad drafts and injuries through buying a defense all in one off-season. He spent all that cap money to try saving his job.
The defense was stout. They were great against the run, dominant in short yardage situations, and had innovative blitz packages. They were fun to watch. In 2017 they just quit. A bunch of pissed off entitled rich players with egos. Doesn't mix well. No respected leaders (like Martinez) to keep them focused.
I think they got pissed about how Beckham and the offense were given a different set of rules yet they had to carry that offense entirely because of a shitty OL and terrible game plans. They did nothing to rectify that going into 2017.
Not only did the OL hold the team back, but Mac decided to castrate a fantastic offensive system and turn it vanilla and predictable. He took that multi-dimensional (saints-like) system he and TC constructed and made it one dimensional.
It was so frustrating to watch. They were in the same formation 90% of the time. How do you expect to keep defenses honest??? It's so nice having Garrett here after watching Mac And Pat's vanilla BS.
Personally looking back, I think that team possibly makes it to the super bowl if Coughlin was there.
I know he had lost it a bit but I do think the players respected him more, idk if that boat trip happens with him there. He might get Beckham to focus a bit more in a big game situation. Mac seemed to think OBJ could do no wrong.
Likewise with TC they would've still had that fantastic offensive system.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 25, 2020 8:28:51 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. If I remember correctly there were multiple big plays the receivers screwed up in that game. It wasn't just Odell. I think it was Shepard who had a big drop as well. I thought there were at least 2-3 major drops that could've put points on the board. |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2020 8:34:35 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. If I remember correctly there were multiple big plays the receivers screwed up in that game. It wasn't just Odell. I think it was Shepard who had a big drop as well. I thought there were at least 2-3 major drops that could've put points on the board. Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. |
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 25, 2020 8:39:49 GMT -5
Wanted to add that there pass rush would disappear too often. They had no speed on that DL. It was all run stuffers. Always felt like Vernon was an overrated and over paid Kenny Holmes. Slow, disappears, but decent against the run.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 8:42:17 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. I don't recall Jenkins getting hurt but I do remember Cromartie going down as being when Rogers took over after a being stuffed repeatedly up to that point. |
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Post by jimmieray on Nov 25, 2020 8:53:05 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. I don't recall Jenkins getting hurt but I do remember Cromartie going down as being when Rogers took over after a being stuffed repeatedly up to that point. Yep. But no one seems to remember that the entire DB unit for G.B. were backups, and that's what made that playoff loss the most embarrassing. They were not the better team, going in. Rodgers was on a tear though, it was impressive to have kept him at bay for almost a full first half. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 25, 2020 8:55:39 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. Ahhh, Travaris King. The only one not to go on the boat trip of the WRs. The one scene I will not forget was on a strip sack where the ball went downfield only Eli pursued it. The rest were standing still. Fundamentals. Judge would have heads rolling. |
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Post by hobbit085 on Nov 25, 2020 8:58:46 GMT -5
If I remember correctly there were multiple big plays the receivers screwed up in that game. It wasn't just Odell. I think it was Shepard who had a big drop as well. I thought there were at least 2-3 major drops that could've put points on the board. Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. |
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Post by jb456 on Nov 25, 2020 9:07:51 GMT -5
If I remember correctly there were multiple big plays the receivers screwed up in that game. It wasn't just Odell. I think it was Shepard who had a big drop as well. I thought there were at least 2-3 major drops that could've put points on the board. Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. At least Cruz recognizes that it was mistake. If it wasn't, who would there be a million articles about how that photo will haunt him and how he regrets his descion to go... There was so many board members and probably still are that said it wasn't a big deal. If it wasn't a big deal, why would it haunt him for life, lol... nypost.com/2020/04/29/victor-cruz-giants-boat-trip-photo-will-haunt-him-for-life/ |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2020 9:12:56 GMT -5
Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. Im guessing the week long grilling got in their heads a bit. It can happen. "I have to have a big game or they will blame the boat trip" |
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Post by hobbit085 on Nov 25, 2020 9:29:44 GMT -5
Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. Im guessing the week long grilling got in their heads a bit. It can happen. "I have to have a big game or they will blame the boat trip" It could of definitely been a mental issue with the players, agreed. Vacations and day trips imo do a lot more good than bad. It lets you get your mind off things and recharge but it could be bad for some that lack the ability to refocus their efforts. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 25, 2020 9:32:41 GMT -5
Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. Im guessing the week long grilling got in their heads a bit. It can happen. "I have to have a big game or they will blame the boat trip" Do you really think Odell had any such thoughts? The other 2 quite possibly... |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 25, 2020 9:57:06 GMT -5
We did it with smoke and mirrors. The D was very opportunistic that year, caused a lot of turnovers, which made them look better then they were. They got exposed big time in Green Bay. Didn't we have a pretty weak schedule that year as well? Without Odell, our offence was pretty much non-existent, and he forgot to show up for that playoff game. We were a 5-11 team disguised as an 11-5 team. The sad thing is, we still could've won that playoff game. |
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Post by TEM on Nov 25, 2020 10:00:00 GMT -5
We could not score. GB did.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2020 10:02:54 GMT -5
Im guessing the week long grilling got in their heads a bit. It can happen. "I have to have a big game or they will blame the boat trip" Do you really think Odell had any such thoughts? The other 2 quite possibly... I dont think Odell has thoughts except what TD dance he can do or how he can get a good picture for Instagram. So he took his shirt off pregame in freezing weather. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 25, 2020 10:07:42 GMT -5
Do you really think Odell had any such thoughts? The other 2 quite possibly... I dont think Odell has thoughts except what TD dance he can do or how he can get a good picture for Instagram. So he took his shirt off pregame in freezing weather. His idiocies dominated everything before, during and after that game. Much like his entire meaningless career. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 25, 2020 10:09:58 GMT -5
What cracks me up is the people still bitching and blaming players for a boat trip, which was an activity that was conducted on their day off. Who cares what people do on their day off. If you want to criticize those receivers for their performance in that playoff game, I would agree. The drops that they had in that game were brutal. The injury to DRC was brutal. The defense after The DRC injury was brutal. Regardless of how we got to the playoffs, at least we got there. I would take that kind of season in a heartbeat right now.
What I will also say about that season is that the writing was on the wall for them to move on at QB after that season ended. In typical Giants fashion, they were slow to react and IMO felt having finish out the rest of his contract was more important than correctly making it their #1 priority. The HC knew it and the GM knew it. Mara unfortunately, did not. We should be way further along by this point.
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Post by JoeyCush on Nov 25, 2020 10:14:21 GMT -5
I think people like to forget about this season because the ego disaster that ensued the following season. Likewise Jerry Reese chose not to try upgrading the OL when it held the offense back majorly in 2016. 2016 held the team back as an organization when you think about it. Reese tried fixing years of bad drafts and injuries through buying a defense all in one off-season. He spent all that cap money to try saving his job. The defense was stout. They were great against the run, dominant in short yardage situations, and had innovative blitz packages. They were fun to watch. In 2017 they just quit. A bunch of pissed off entitled rich players with egos. Doesn't mix well. No respected leaders (like Martinez) to keep them focused. I think they got pissed about how Beckham and the offense were given a different set of rules yet they had to carry that offense entirely because of a shitty OL and terrible game plans. They did nothing to rectify that going into 2017. Not only did the OL hold the team back, but Mac decided to castrate a fantastic offensive system and turn it vanilla and predictable. He took that multi-dimensional (saints-like) system he and TC constructed and made it one dimensional. It was so frustrating to watch. They were in the same formation 90% of the time. How do you expect to keep defenses honest??? It's so nice having Garrett here after watching Mac And Pat's vanilla BS. Personally looking back, I think that team possibly makes it to the super bowl if Coughlin was there. I know he had lost it a bit but I do think the players respected him more, idk if that boat trip happens with him there. He might get Beckham to focus a bit more in a big game situation. Mac seemed to think OBJ could do no wrong. Likewise with TC they would've still had that fantastic offensive system. Nice post. TC as head coach and McAdoo as OC was actually a good tandem. Giants offense in 2013 was ranked 28th. McAdoo comes in 2014 and they move up to 13th then in 2015 all the way up to 6th. How did they fall all the way back to 26th when McAdoo took over in 2016? With the offense taking a step back and the OL still in shambles, what did Reese do? Sign Brandon Marshall (apparently over Andrew Whitworth), Rhett Ellison and draft Evan Engram. Other than DJ Fluker on a one year, where was the OL help? I felt like Reese and co. just tried to get faster and bigger weapons for Eli, thinking that would help instead of actually building an OL. Now for McAdoo's vanilla offense, I remember the first game against the Eagles in 2017 the Giants were running the slant/flats all first half (literally McAdoos entire offense) and OBJ made some plays. Eagles made some adjustments and second half, they run it again and the LB ran right underneath it to tip it up and it was eventually picked off. It would have been interesting had TC or even Judge coached that 2016 team. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 25, 2020 10:17:14 GMT -5
Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. At least Cruz recognizes that it was mistake. If it wasn't, who would there be a million articles about how that photo will haunt him and how he regrets his descion to go... There was so many board members and probably still are that said it wasn't a big deal. If it wasn't a big deal, why would it haunt him for life, lol... nypost.com/2020/04/29/victor-cruz-giants-boat-trip-photo-will-haunt-him-for-life/It wasn't a big deal in my mind. I hold others to standards that I hold myself to. Work is the last thing on my mind on a day off. S-Corp tax returns, client representation before the IRS, or providing financial advise to a person planning out their retirement are the last things on my mind on a day off. I get it though. People want something to blame since that game didn't go our way. I blame the drops and the defense's inability to adjust in the 2nd half. Cruz really has nothing to apologize for in my mind. IMO, he felt the need to because Giants fans are petty and it was his attempt to smooth things over with them and the media (now his secondary career). |
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Post by BlueReign on Nov 25, 2020 10:17:57 GMT -5
Tavaris King was our best WR that game. Odell, Shep, Cruz all had big drops. Not shocking, they were the 3 on the boat. Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. It shows a lack of focus on the task at hand. That's the issue people had with the boat trip. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Nov 25, 2020 10:22:38 GMT -5
What cracks me up is the people still bitching and blaming players for a boat trip, which was an activity that was conducted on their day off. Who cares what people do on their day off. If you want to criticize those receivers for their performance in that playoff game, I would agree. The drops that they had in that game were brutal. The injury to DRC was brutal. The defense after The DRC injury was brutal. Regardless of how we got to the playoffs, at least we got there. I would take that kind of season in a heartbeat right now. What I will also say about that season is that the writing was on the wall for them to move on at QB after that season ended. In typical Giants fashion, they were slow to react and IMO felt having finish out the rest of his contract was more important than correctly making it their #1 priority. The HC knew it and the GM knew it. Mara unfortunately, did not. We should be way further along by this point. I dont know if people blamed the boat trip for them playing bad but it becomes a talking point about their preparation before a playoff game. Tony Romo went through it in 2008 with his trip with Jessica Simpson. It's dumb but the media will say they should have been more focused. Im sure opposing teams use it as bulletin board material as well. I think Strahan told a story about Coughlin telling the team in 2008 that prior to the game, Dallas had left tickets to the NFC Championship in everyone's lockers. Not to mention, but our WRs didnt do any favors when they came out shirtless pregame to show how they werent affected by the cold and then laid an egg on the field. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 25, 2020 10:22:44 GMT -5
Let's be realistic here. Yeah we played like shit that game and I think the players knew that. To blame their poor performance on a boat trip is comical. It shows a lack of focus on the task at hand. That's the issue people had with the boat trip. On their day off? |
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Post by BlueReign on Nov 25, 2020 10:26:04 GMT -5
It shows a lack of focus on the task at hand. That's the issue people had with the boat trip. On their day off? While I don't particularly care about the boat trip, yeah, that's how people perceive it. Have the wherewithal to not post that photo. Cruz should've known how that would blow up and be perceived in NY. Perceptions matter as much as people like to pretend they don't. The boat thing got compounded because the group that took the trip collectively shit the bed and played a major hand in that loss. |
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